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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:03

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How is "goddamnint" offensive? If you got shot, I'm sure the first thing you'll be saying won't be "*Gets hit* Oh sassafrass, sassafrass, sassafrass". Because I know the first thing I would be saying is "Oh, ****! ****! Goddamnit!"


Luckily I've never been shot before but I've been unfortunate enough to recieve shrapnel on more than one occasion and the last thing I did was curse God, I was actually more thankful it wasnt worse, but that's just how I handled it. Cursing isn't something that offends me, I've cursed plenty in the past but it's something I strive not to do now, I've noticed the less of it I hear the less I catch myself nearly dropping f-bombs.

Games of the past had plenty of gore/blood and language filters and custom keymapping but those are features that would allow the consumer to have a custom experience, but customization is clearly unreasonable to some.


BioWare can only do so much. When you have a game that is trying to appease the roleplayers and the shooters it's hard to cover every body else: those two are big enough already without trying to get at eachother's throat.

The point is if BioWare is making a game, which is rated mature and has some pretty mature themes as well as lots of violence, the last thing BioWare expects is for their customers to find the language used offensive. And though I respect your faith in God, the only thing I can say is that your overreacting to a word that is used every day.

When people say 'Goddamnit' it's pretty much lost it's meaning. No one is saying it because they wish to curse God; they say it because of the same reason people usually swear. 

I'd say not to take it so seriously. Besides the NPCs wouldn't be as immersive or real if you could suddenly make them speak like a character from the Disney Channle xD

"Gosh Darn it Shepard!" would sound a little bit silly don't you think?

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:03

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AlanC9 wrote...

byne wrote...

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Hi. If you really don't feel okay about enjoy your life because of religion, you should probably stop practising it. Just saying.


Religion is your life, even by not having a religion you have one. And btw, nice spelling.


By being an atheist I have a religion? Thats not how religion works.


Well, he could be saying that you've got answers to all those Ultimate Questions the same as someone with a religion does, so it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't see how agnostics fit in, though.


How do you know if they fit in or do not fit in. No one can. They are not even sure how they can or can not.

Now shut up and drink your Dr. Pepper and Diet Dr. Pepper.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:04

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gee willikers! your omniblade really hurts!

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:06

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OP is a troll, this is why i'm not taking this topic seriously.

Nobody could be legitimately offended by god damnit and not like, practically every single other thing going on in Mass Effect 3.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:07

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Wow.... I think my IQ just dropped....

Thanks, OP!

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:07

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bobobo878 wrote...

gee willikers! your omniblade really hurts!


*throws on Ron Burgendy mustache*

By Odin's Hammer, that turret packs quite a wallop! Bring me some scotch!

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:08

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You have faith in something, good for you. But why, may I ask, should anyone else make concessions to you because of this?

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:08

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byne wrote...

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Well, he could be saying that you've got answers to all those Ultimate Questions the same as someone with a religion does, so it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't see how agnostics fit in, though.


Agnostics fit in by being able to feel better about themselves by misidentifying themselves and not picking a side.


Misidentifying? What on earth do you mean by that? You mean we have to pick one of your their imaginary playmates to believe in or we get assigned to one of them automatically?

And what does that have to do with feeling better about ourselves.

Edit: didn't have the right to assign you a side there.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:08

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Muezick wrote...

OP is a troll, this is why i'm not taking this topic seriously.

Nobody could be legitimately offended by god damnit and not like, practically every single other thing going on in Mass Effect 3.


You underestimate how ridiculously defensive religious people get of their gods.

With more and more evidence contradicting their holy books every day, they have to be extra defensive of god.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:09

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byne wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

byne wrote...

Tigerjunky wrote...

Tassigny wrote...

Hi. If you really don't feel okay about enjoy your life because of religion, you should probably stop practising it. Just saying.


Religion is your life, even by not having a religion you have one. And btw, nice spelling.


By being an atheist I have a religion? Thats not how religion works.


Well, he could be saying that you've got answers to all those Ultimate Questions the same as someone with a religion does, so it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't see how agnostics fit in, though.


Agnostics fit in by being able to feel better about themselves by misidentifying themselves and not picking a side.


Or maybe they just arent arrogant enough to claim to "know" everything about everything? 

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:09

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Awww Ned Flanders is on BSN.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:10

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Wow... we're really going for total thread destruction here, and fast.

Works for me.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:11

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bennyjammin79 wrote...

Awww Ned Flanders is on BSN.


For all you Flander lovers out there.



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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:12

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byne wrote...

Muezick wrote...

OP is a troll, this is why i'm not taking this topic seriously.

Nobody could be legitimately offended by god damnit and not like, practically every single other thing going on in Mass Effect 3.


You underestimate how ridiculously defensive religious people get of their gods.

With more and more evidence contradicting their holy books every day, they have to be extra defensive of god.


I said legitimately be offended.

He can be offended, but it's not legitimate. It's not backed by anything reasonable. I've got nothing against genuine christians...but there's no way OP can be a genuine christian. No Fan of the mass effect series can be, to much going on in the game that they stand against...such as aliens, false gods, pre-marital sex, skimpy outfits...just to name a few out of thousands of points that would drive a true christian up the wall.


inb4 open minded christians(No such thing, you are, or you are not christian, if you think you're an open minded christian, then you aren't doing it right and you're lying to yourself and the people you worship with)

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:12

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AlanC9 wrote...

byne wrote...

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Well, he could be saying that you've got answers to all those Ultimate Questions the same as someone with a religion does, so it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't see how agnostics fit in, though.


Agnostics fit in by being able to feel better about themselves by misidentifying themselves and not picking a side.


Misidentifying? What on earth do you mean by that? You mean we have to pick one of your imaginary playmates to believe in or we get assigned to one of them automatically?


What I mean is agnostic isnt a statement of belief as much as it is a statement of knowledge. I have a picture that explains it somewhere, lemme find it.

Ah, here we go:

Image IPB

I myself am an agnostic atheist, but I never claim to be just agnostic.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:13

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AlanC9 wrote...

Wow... we're really going for total thread destruction here, and fast.

Works for me.


Same here. 

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:15

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I'd say not to take it so seriously. Besides the NPCs wouldn't be as immersive or real if you could suddenly make them speak like a character from the Disney Channle xD

"Gosh Darn it Shepard!" would sound a little bit silly don't you think?

But then implying that the only alternative for religion-oriented cursing is some kind of disney'esque pseudo-language is a little bit disingenuous, wouldn't you say?

Because there's lot of regular foul language out there that doesn't insult anyone's religion.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:18

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tmp7704 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I'd say not to take it so seriously. Besides the NPCs wouldn't be as immersive or real if you could suddenly make them speak like a character from the Disney Channle xD

"Gosh Darn it Shepard!" would sound a little bit silly don't you think?

But then implying that the only alternative for religion-oriented cursing is some kind of disney'esque pseudo-language is a little bit disingenuous, wouldn't you say?

Because there's lot of regular foul language out there that doesn't insult anyone's religion.


The Cerberus mooks never specify what god they are even talking about.

It only insults your religion if you assume everyone is the same religion as you.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:18

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byne wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

byne wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Well, he could be saying that you've got answers to all those Ultimate Questions the same as someone with a religion does, so it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't see how agnostics fit in, though.


Agnostics fit in by being able to feel better about themselves by misidentifying themselves and not picking a side.


Misidentifying? What on earth do you mean by that? You mean we have to pick one of your imaginary playmates to believe in or we get assigned to one of them automatically?


What I mean is agnostic isnt a statement of belief as much as it is a statement of knowledge. I have a picture that explains it somewhere, lemme find it.

Ah, here we go:

Image IPB

I myself am an agnostic atheist, but I never claim to be just agnostic.



ALL OF TODAYS INTERNETS TO THIS GENTLEMAN AND SCHOLAR!

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:18

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tmp7704 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I'd say not to take it so seriously. Besides the NPCs wouldn't be as immersive or real if you could suddenly make them speak like a character from the Disney Channle xD

"Gosh Darn it Shepard!" would sound a little bit silly don't you think?

But then implying that the only alternative for religion-oriented cursing is some kind of disney'esque pseudo-language is a little bit disingenuous, wouldn't you say?

Because there's lot of regular foul language out there that doesn't insult anyone's religion.


Says you. An old woman from my old church said that saying "hell" was a slight against God because it meant we prefered to talk about Satan's domain over Heaven.

Old ladies are hella crazy.

:o

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:19

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lolwut? Really?

Listen, the phrase "god damn it" is really not that offensive. If you deem it so important an issue that you feel you should make an entire thread about it, maybe Mass Effect isn't the right game for you. It's rated M for a reason, and our Cerberus cannon-fodder could be saying much worse things than that.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:21

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byne wrote...
What I mean is agnostic isnt a statement of belief as much as it is a statement of knowledge. I have a picture that explains it somewhere, lemme find it.

Ah, here we go:

(illustration snipped)

I myself am an agnostic atheist, but I never claim to be just agnostic.


Gotcha. The problem with that is that "atheism" can be used both inclusively  -- meaning everyone who doesn't explicitly believe in some sort of supernatural being(s) is an atheist -- and more narrowly, so that only someone who believes that no such beings exist is an atheist.

It's fairly common for dictionaries to use the narrow definition, like this:

Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic  refer to persons not inclined toward 
religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist  is one 
who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one 
who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe
and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. 


Which just means that English ain't all that precise a language. Not much of a surprise there.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:22

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byne wrote...



I myself am an agnostic atheImage IPB

Let me guess, an Atheist made that chart.

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:23

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byne wrote...

The Cerberus mooks never specify what god they are even talking about.

It only insults your religion if you assume everyone is the same religion as you.

I said "anyone's", not "your".

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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 08:24

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Muezick wrote...
I said legitimately be offended.

He can be offended, but it's not legitimate. It's not backed by anything reasonable. I've got nothing against genuine christians...but there's no way OP can be a genuine christian. No Fan of the mass effect series can be, to much going on in the game that they stand against...such as aliens, false gods, pre-marital sex, skimpy outfits...just to name a few out of thousands of points that would drive a true christian up the wall.


inb4 open minded christians(No such thing, you are, or you are not christian, if you think you're an open minded christian, then you aren't doing it right and you're lying to yourself and the people you worship with)

Well said.
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