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#151
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Ryuukosusei wrote...

Alright so the Bioware aproach is to appease the fans. Thats good and all,

The new romance options, tthe same gender ones i understand is to appease lots the fans, which im cool with, as long as it is not forced upon us, Ex. Anders from DA2.

But after playing the Multiplayer, I've noticed that some of the enemies will say things like 'Goddammit', which to me and i'm sure lots of people find it offensive.

I know someone can say 'Well killing is against your belief's too. So play something else'. But of course you can't take that out of ME, cause it would be a totally different game.

Things like some 1-liner phrases can be changed, and if not in ME3, hopefully in future games. I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play Bioware games without having to listen to these lines.



if you get offended by damnit , don't ever bring zaeed with you.

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You might as well lock this thread down mods, it appears almost no one is bothering to show an ounce of respect toward each other.

Not that I'm surprised, but still.=P

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NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

You might as well lock this thread down mods, it appears almost no one is bothering to show an ounce of respect toward each other.

Not that I'm surprised, but still.=P


If I started a thread saying that as an atheist I want all references to religion removed because they offend me, I wouldnt get any respect.

OP wants negative references to god removed, he doesnt get respect.

Honestly, this is BSN, and you were expecting respect?

#154
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ReconTeam wrote...
You'll have to troll harder than that. And you're chart is also nonsense as one can legitimately be apathetic about the whole thing.


Being apathetic doesn't get you away from either believing a proposition or not. I'm pretty apethetic about the celestial teapot, I still don't believe it exists. 

Consider I just flipped a coin, billy believes it turned up heads, so we will call billy a headsiest, now jimmy on the other hand doesn't believe it turned up heads, so we call him an a-headsiest. Now, you don't give a damn one way or the other, but you still either believe it turned out heads or you don't, "I don't care" isn't a possible answer, and it isn't logical. You either believe something, or you don't. Arguably, if you don't care, you obviously can't believe it. 

Modifié par Jehovahkin, 03 mars 2012 - 09:03 .


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byne wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

You might as well lock this thread down mods, it appears almost no one is bothering to show an ounce of respect toward each other.

Not that I'm surprised, but still.=P


If I started a thread saying that as an atheist I want all references to religion removed because they offend me, I wouldnt get any respect.

OP wants negative references to god removed, he doesnt get respect.

Honestly, this is BSN, and you were expecting respect?


What do you know, we have no respect for anyone. We have reached true equality!

#156
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Ryuukosusei wrote...

Alright so the Bioware aproach is to appease the fans. Thats good and all,

The new romance options, tthe same gender ones i understand is to appease lots the fans, which im cool with, as long as it is not forced upon us, Ex. Anders from DA2.

But after playing the Multiplayer, I've noticed that some of the enemies will say things like 'Goddammit', which to me and i'm sure lots of people find it offensive.

I know someone can say 'Well killing is against your belief's too. So play something else'. But of course you can't take that out of ME, cause it would be a totally different game.

Things like some 1-liner phrases can be changed, and if not in ME3, hopefully in future games. I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play Bioware games without having to listen to these lines.



GODdammit.

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Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

I find the depiction of reapers to be offensive towards my pastafarian god. this is obviously a cash-in on controversy and demand a refund until this constant oppression of my people is stopped.


PRAISE THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER!


All hail His Pastaness!

Also: Steve Hughes


BE MY LOVE INTEREST.


"I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters
before Me. (Afterwards is OK; just use protection.) The only Monster who
deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters,
undeserving of capitalization."

Stay strong my brothers and sisters.

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People swear you just tune it out. If you think about it there are tons of more offensive things that can be said the npcs aren't being sailors or racist here and if you get on MP and someone keeps ranting like one drop out.

I was on MP and one of the guys on there was sooo inspiring because he felt jilted that no one saved his ass not only was he in direct line of fire but everyone was kind of busy saving themselves at that point. He kept calling everyone idiots acting like he's the most important one in the group and was then wondering why our team unity was going down hill needless to say after the round was up he didn't have a team. Language can hurt games but its easy to ignore npcs who're preprogrammed to say such.

As far as fan appeasement is bad it all depends on who you talk to those who knew or actively participated in making a change or appeasement occur will of course say its great those who actively apposed the change will say its bad.

You have to ask really the people who took no part in it who never knew about the efforts to get it in or fight it off as to weather or not they think the appeasement in question really feel like it was or was not.

I think them making brand new characters bi is fine but the fact we have like 3 - 6 makes it a bit annoying and unrealistic to have so many on the same ship but so long as they don't change established past LIs to the bi side its an appeasement that can work. I know I'll just have to listen close and check out the social cues on all new characters so they don't get confused with my para want to be friends attitude sense BW has established nice = sexual interest which isn't the case most of the time.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

I find the depiction of reapers to be offensive towards my pastafarian god. this is obviously a cash-in on controversy and demand a refund until this constant oppression of my people is stopped.


PRAISE THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER!


All hail His Pastaness!

Also: Steve Hughes


BE MY LOVE INTEREST.


"I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters
before Me. (Afterwards is OK; just use protection.) The only Monster who
deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters,
undeserving of capitalization."

Stay strong my brothers and sisters.


May he touch you with his noodly appendage.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

I find the depiction of reapers to be offensive towards my pastafarian god. this is obviously a cash-in on controversy and demand a refund until this constant oppression of my people is stopped.


PRAISE THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER!


All hail His Pastaness!

Also: Steve Hughes


BE MY LOVE INTEREST.


"I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters
before Me. (Afterwards is OK; just use protection.) The only Monster who
deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters,
undeserving of capitalization."

Stay strong my brothers and sisters.


"I am Udon and Ziti, the
beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is a thirst of the
fountain of the tomato sauce of life freely."

-Revelation 21:6 of the Pastafarian Bible

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byne wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

You might as well lock this thread down mods, it appears almost no one is bothering to show an ounce of respect toward each other.

Not that I'm surprised, but still.=P


If I started a thread saying that as an atheist I want all references to religion removed because they offend me, I wouldnt get any respect.

OP wants negative references to god removed, he doesnt get respect.

Honestly, this is BSN, and you were expecting respect?


Basically this- 

Operative84 wrote...

I enjoy every day of my life and I believe and have faith in Yahweh/God/El-Shaddai/Jehovah and Jesus Christ and I'm a very tolerant person, I'm purchasing this game just I did the others, and will continue to enjoy things created by others while living my life even if at times I dont agree with the content or the reason for the creation of whatever item I may view or purchase. On that note this thread should be locked down as there is no hope for the "community" of "fellow" gamers to have a single ounce of respect for anybody, which I'm not surprised. The OP stated it bothered him/her and instead of asking why or trying to understand(not agree just understand the pov), and instead of making a tiny effort to understand or even better the willpower to restrain from being a jerk - it seems some would rather repeat what the OP has an issue with just to spite him/her.

PS I remember when I used to be a jerk to everyone, then I decided to grow up.

 
Just because respect wouldnt be shown for the example you gave(not to say its right, I'd respect those concerns) doesnt mean thats the way it should automatically be for everything else. 

And no I wasnt expecting complete respect from BSN(or pretty much anywhere on the 'net) but it couldnt hurt for some ppl to put a decent comment for once, or at least understand where the OP is coming from.    

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Ryuukosusei wrote...

Things like some 1-liner phrases can be changed, and if not in ME3, hopefully in future games. I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play Bioware games without having to listen to these lines.



Goddamnit, you serious? :o

#163
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Jesus Christ why can't people be more goddamn respectful of pious gamers not offended by violence, sex or genocide, simply of swearing ? Sweet mother of god, they deserve our total and unconditional respect !

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NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

byne wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

You might as well lock this thread down mods, it appears almost no one is bothering to show an ounce of respect toward each other.

Not that I'm surprised, but still.=P


If I started a thread saying that as an atheist I want all references to religion removed because they offend me, I wouldnt get any respect.

OP wants negative references to god removed, he doesnt get respect.

Honestly, this is BSN, and you were expecting respect?


Basically this- 

Operative84 wrote...

I enjoy every day of my life and I believe and have faith in Yahweh/God/El-Shaddai/Jehovah and Jesus Christ and I'm a very tolerant person, I'm purchasing this game just I did the others, and will continue to enjoy things created by others while living my life even if at times I dont agree with the content or the reason for the creation of whatever item I may view or purchase. On that note this thread should be locked down as there is no hope for the "community" of "fellow" gamers to have a single ounce of respect for anybody, which I'm not surprised. The OP stated it bothered him/her and instead of asking why or trying to understand(not agree just understand the pov), and instead of making a tiny effort to understand or even better the willpower to restrain from being a jerk - it seems some would rather repeat what the OP has an issue with just to spite him/her.

PS I remember when I used to be a jerk to everyone, then I decided to grow up.

 
Just because respect wouldnt be shown for the example you gave(not to say its right, I'd respect those concerns) doesnt mean thats the way it should automatically be for everything else. 

And no I wasnt expecting complete respect from BSN(or pretty much anywhere on the 'net) but it couldnt hurt for some ppl to put a decent comment for once, or at least understand where the OP is coming from.    


Where is he coming from? He got offended. So what? Acting nice isn't going to help him. If anything, that just enables him to act like being offended is the worst thing in the world. Little kid in Africa gets shot at by Warlords, has not eaten in months and smells like an elephants rear end because he has no useable water within a thousand miles, but hey at least he's not offended.

Do you see where WE'RE coming from?

<_<

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Let's make this simple.

Ryuukosusei wrote...

Things like some 1-liner phrases can be changed, and if not in ME3, hopefully in future games. I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play Bioware games without having to listen to these lines.



I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play bioware game that include these lines.

Who should bioware appease?

Neither. They continue making their games as they want to.

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adneate wrote...

Goddamnit.


Watch out, we have a badass over here!

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Every horrible thing BW does with this game, and you want to split hairs over cursing? Really? This is going to be an interesting place come launch week...

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Ryuukosusei wrote...

Alright so the Bioware aproach is to appease the fans. Thats good and all,

The new romance options, tthe same gender ones i understand is to appease lots the fans, which im cool with, as long as it is not forced upon us, Ex. Anders from DA2.

But after playing the Multiplayer, I've noticed that some of the enemies will say things like 'Goddammit', which to me and i'm sure lots of people find it offensive.

I know someone can say 'Well killing is against your belief's too. So play something else'. But of course you can't take that out of ME, cause it would be a totally different game.

Things like some 1-liner phrases can be changed, and if not in ME3, hopefully in future games. I'm just another fan who wants to continue to play Bioware games without having to listen to these lines.



Really??  you are going to serously ask them to tone down the language in MASS EFFECT?  for all the hype about the games "sex" other "mature" content, Mass Effect is practically family friendly compared to other popular titles like Dead Space, Gears of War...even Fallout 3 had more gore and rough language then Mass Effect. 

I am not trying to belittle the OP, but if the amount of bad language in Mass Effect is an issue for you...maybe it just isn't intended for you.  Some titles do have a filter setting for REALLY potentially offensive material.  My mom really liked the Godfather but thought there was too much violence.   So I showed her the kitchen scene from Sybil...you know what her solution was?  Don't watch stuff that's going to give you nightmares.  AND if it isn't rated PG don't risk it.  Just sayin'

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Eradyn wrote...

Every horrible thing BW does with this game, and you want to split hairs over cursing? Really? This is going to be an interesting place come launch week...


98% of those "horrible" things are inflated concerns from whining kids. In my opinion, of course ^_^.

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The funny thing is the language in this is extremely tame in most places, it even feels like the language is deliberately written to not offend.

"Don't jerk me around Okeer." Do people honestly talk like that?

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BSN is like this  for me.

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android654 wrote...
"Don't jerk me around Okeer." Do people honestly talk like that?


Only on network TV.

#173
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There we go ,equal time. now its all good.

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Ryuukosusei wrote...

But after playing the Multiplayer, I've noticed that some of the enemies will say things like 'Goddammit', which to me and i'm sure lots of people find it offensive.


When do they say 'Goddammit?' I've never heard that in any of my multiplayer runs. They do sometimes (quite often, actually) say 'Daymmmitttt!' if you slot one of their mates, but there's no mention of God anywhere in there.

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There's swearing in ME3!?

Pre order cancelled!