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[evil-pineapples]

 Great. That's just great. What was the point of introducing a sympathetic character like Legion if there's no pay-off? Why the hell was it necessary to flesh out the Geth at all? Why make EDI a squad member? I mean, if the writers wanted to go down this route from the start, then so be it, but why manipulate us into caring about synthetic characters if it just turns out that synthetic life is inherently dangerous and must be destroyed or merged with organic life?

[I_Jedi]

evil-pineapples wrote...

 Great. That's just great. What was the point of introducing a sympathetic character like Legion if there's no pay-off? Why the hell was it necessary to flesh out the Geth at all? Why make EDI a squad member? I mean, if the writers wanted to go down this route from the start, then so be it, but why manipulate us into caring about synthetic characters if it just turns out that synthetic life is inherently dangerous and must be destroyed or merged with organic life?

You...must not have played C&C4.

[SilencedScream]

It's supposed to make the final choice that much more difficult.

Don't get me wrong - I despise the endings. But I can recognize -some- of what they were attempting to do with them. Even if they were still horribly written endings.

[AgitatedLemon]

They aren't evil.

If you're talking about the geth and ME3, I believe they are reprogrammed into being hostile. It isn't voluntary, unless I'm mistaken. Legion is one of the few docile geth in the game.

[evil-pineapples]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

They aren't evil.

If you're talking about the geth and ME3, I believe they are reprogrammed into being hostile. It isn't voluntary, unless I'm mistaken. Legion is one of the few docile geth in the game.

Here lie ending spoilers - you have been warned.

The purpose of the Reapers is to prevent organic life from creating synthetic life that out-evolves them. This phenomenon, known as 'tech singularity', is considered inherently dangerous by the Reapers.

[Ellestor]

They didn't really do this, did they? As an AI researcher, needless to say, I find such notions really annoying. People are irrationally afraid of AI and cybernetics enough as it is without so much sci-fi reinforcing it.

WTB transhumanist/techno-optimist plots...

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evil-pineapples wrote...

Here lie ending spoilers - you have been warned.

The purpose of the Reapers is to prevent organic life from creating synthetic life that out-evolves them. This phenomenon, known as 'tech singularity', is considered inherently dangerous by the Reapers.

  Oh. That's cool, then. Eclipse Phase has a similar villain (or two) that crops up when there are signs of a singularity event in the galaxy, and it's definitely something that crossed my mind in ME1 as soon as we learned about the indoctrination of the geth.

Modifié par Ellestor, 03 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Kanmuru]

Ellestor wrote...

They didn't really do this, did they? As an AI researcher, needless to say, I find such notions really annoying. People are irrationally afraid of AI and cybernetics enough as it is without so much sci-fi reinforcing it.

WTB transhumanist/techno-optimist plots...

They didnt "do this", the reapers were created by people who feared the singularity, but you can tell to stfu in the end and kill them all

[evil-pineapples]

Ellestor wrote...

They didn't really do this, did they? As an AI researcher, needless to say, I find such notions really annoying. People are irrationally afraid of AI and cybernetics enough as it is without so much sci-fi reinforcing it.

WTB transhumanist/techno-optimist plots...

The only way I've been able to justify it is to rationalize that the TRUE danger isn't the tech singularity itself, but rather the FEAR of it. I don't think the Reapers have any idea what will actually happen if a tech singularity is ever reached and they're just acting on their own fears.

[Ellestor]

Kanmuru wrote...

They didnt "do this", the reapers were created by people who feared the singularity, but you can tell to stfu in the end and kill them all

Yeah, sorry, I started writing that before evil-pineapples' second post, so I didn't see it until afterward. I got the impression from the first post that they pulled a 'they're all Decepticons!' sort of thing. I can jive with the Reapers being singularity cops, so long as I can take the position that they're stupid for it.

Modifié par Ellestor, 03 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[evil-pineapples]

I don't agree that tech singularity would be inherently dangerous though. Like
I said, I think the Reapers (and their creators, of course, by extension) are simply afraid and acting irrationally.

[Heathen Pride]

Yeah, I don't like this tech singularity stuff either. The reapers are the final solution to the synthetic question I guess. lol

[Armass81]

The catalyst suggest that there will always be conflict between organic life and the synthetics they create, it doesnt matter who ultimately starts it, it will escalate into a huge war and eventually the extinction of all organic life in the galaxy. The conflict has always been there, in the past(the prothean elaborates on this further). The geth are an anomaly now, which proves to the catalyst that it might not be correct after all, that there is another way.

Modifié par Armass81, 03 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[Kusy]

evil-pineapples wrote...
The only way I've been able to justify it is to rationalize that the TRUE danger isn't the tech singularity itself, but rather the FEAR of it. I don't think the Reapers have any idea what will actually happen if a tech singularity is ever reached and they're just acting on their own fears.

That's part of the tech singularity's definition, beings existing before it cannot fathom what it will bring, it's a horizon of events that cannot be predicted unless it's passed.

[kyg_20X6]

I don't get how you can wipe out all AI in one go. They're not all using the same code. And whatever might be the one basic thing they might have in common is probably found in nearly all tech, the destruction of which, would knock the universe back to the industrial age. And what is to stop organics from making AI again. Why not lose the Geth & EDI when you can just remake them, if you wish.They're the children of organics but would you save a child if it meant losing every one else in the family including yourself? Especially when that child has been problematic in the past? Especially when you can have more children?

[Aesieru]

The potential for synthetic / artificial life to advance to a point beyond understanding and see no further use for organics is determinate.

[Aesieru]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I don't get how you can wipe out all AI in one go. They're not all using the same code. And whatever might be the one basic thing they might have in common is probably found in nearly all tech, the destruction of which, would knock the universe back to the industrial age. And what is to stop organics from making AI again. Why not lose the Geth & EDI when you can just remake them, if you wish.They're the children of organics but would you save a child if it meant losing every one else in the family including yourself? Especially when that child has been problematic in the past? Especially when you can have more children?

Spoiler:::

The Geth outfit themselves with reaper technology in an attempt to gain sentience.
EDI has reaper tech in her.
The Reapers are using reaper tech.

That's what is wiped out, not all AI's.

[Juniper Mucius]

Is BioWare saying this? No. A past/present faction in a fictional universe is saying this. Do you see this faction as villains? That's like saying Jews are inherently evil in Marvel. I don't have to agree with the Red Skull, and indeed I don't.

[Kanmuru]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I don't get how you can wipe out all AI in one go. They're not all using the same code. And whatever might be the one basic thing they might have in common is probably found in nearly all tech, the destruction of which, would knock the universe back to the industrial age. And what is to stop organics from making AI again. Why not lose the Geth & EDI when you can just remake them, if you wish.They're the children of organics but would you save a child if it meant losing every one else in the family including yourself? Especially when that child has been problematic in the past? Especially when you can have more children?

they ddint wipe AI they wiped all reaper tech, and Geth have reapers tech inside them

[loungeshep]

Well obviously they're evil. They aren't bound by the 3 Laws of Robotics.

[evil-pineapples]

loungeshep wrote...

Well obviously they're evil. They aren't bound by the 3 Laws of Robotics.

Neither are we.

[kyg_20X6]

Isn't this what Blade Runners are for?

[Broder O]

But.... If some mythical pre-reaper race/society created reapers to destroy all organic life in order to stop organic life from creating syntetic life that destrpys all organic life...
I confused myself..
Anyway If they did that, it should stand to reason it's because they experienced it, correct?
But they couldn't have since they had the time to create the reapers as a safe guard against that tech singularity stuff..

So basically they started a million year old cycle of extreme genocide based on a theory?
Harsh...

[xtorma]

I don't think it's that AI's become evil, as much as they end up seeing no use for things we need. Life would mean nothing to them , if they came to earth , no matter how advanced we were , all they would see is resources, and what is in the way of them obtaining them. They wouldn't go out hunting for organics.per se, they would just eliminate them, as they are useless, and in the way of what they need.

I think this is what they are saying.

[darkangelvxvx]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

 Great. That's just great. What was the point of introducing a sympathetic character like Legion if there's no pay-off? Why the hell was it necessary to flesh out the Geth at all? Why make EDI a squad member? I mean, if the writers wanted to go down this route from the start, then so be it, but why manipulate us into caring about synthetic characters if it just turns out that synthetic life is inherently dangerous and must be destroyed or merged with organic life?

You still get the Merge/Synthesis option you know... 

Binary Domain ftw.