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[Apophis2412]

 Two guestions to all the people who dodn't like the endings:

1. The endings might be bad but how does that make the whole gamebad and/or pointless?

2. Dragon Age Origins had bad endings, yet is considered a good game. What's the main difference between the DAO and Me3 Endings?

[sheppard7]

Apophis2412 wrote...

 Two guestions to all the people who dodn't like the endings:

1. The endings might be bad but how does that make the whole gamebad and/or pointless?

2. Dragon Age Origins had bad endings, yet is considered a good game. What's the main difference between the DAO and Me3 Endings?

DAO didn't just have only bad endings though. Same can be said with ME2 where Shep could have died in the SM. You had a chance of NOT having a bad ending in those games unlike what's reported with ME3.

[SilencedScream]

1.) You can mess absolutely everything up, not do any sidequests, and rush for the end. You'll still get 90% of the same ending as if you did everything properly, weighed your options, and were completely prepared when going to the end.

2.) Mostly point number one, but you also have to consider that this is the end of Shepard's story - a three part experience as opposed to just a single game. This ending takes little into consideration of the first two games and the ACTUAL ending cutscene(s) make no reference to any previous choices of the first two games.

Edit: Also, yes - you actually had some variety in what you could do for the ending of DA:O. Like I stated in point one, no matter what you do in ME3, the endings are all 90% the same.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 03 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[me12343455]

would you want to read the odyssey if it had a bad ending

[evil-pineapples]

A bad ending does not make a bad game, but it does ruin the story and the integrity of the fictional universe. I have no interest in continuing with Mass Effect beyond this game.

[me12343455]

would you want to watch lord of the rings if it had a bad ending

[Kemor]

Why DA:O had a bad ending? I found it quite decent, gave me closure and that's all I need.
DA2 for example was a bad ending since it didn't give any closure whatsoever.

As long as ME3 ending gives me closure, that's fine with me, even if it's just via hand drawn vignettes or whatever.

[Nizzemancer]

I've been a gamer for over 20 years Biowares ending BS here is the first time someones made me consider just giving up on games all together (something not even Peter Molyneaux or SOE and their NGE could do) because you obviously can't trust the people in the industry to conserve the trust put in them by their fanbase.

And yeah I understand that a lot of fans still get what they want, but the way I see it a lot of promises and assurances were broken to sell the last part

Aside from that I agree with what SilencedScream posted above.

[I_Jedi]

Kemor wrote...

Why DA:O had a bad ending? I found it quite decent, gave me closure and that's all I need.
DA2 for example was a bad ending since it didn't give any closure whatsoever.

As long as ME3 ending gives me closure, that's fine with me, even if it's just via hand drawn vignettes or whatever.

That's unfortunate, since it won't do that either.

[StarcloudSWG]

DA:O did not have a bad ending. You had multiple different endings, with several different permutations of what happens to the characters.

Mass Effect 3 seems to have one ending, with only two variations: Shepard dies, Normandy is stranded; Shepard lives, Normandy is stranded.

My hope is that the initial playthroughs are not actually the "best" endings possible, that the person who posted them forgot about the Readiness system and simply rushed it until they got 5000 war assets. Under the Readiness system, with 5000 war assets, only 2500 of it would count towards the ending.

[AkiKishi]

Apophis2412 wrote...

 Two guestions to all the people who dodn't like the endings:

1. The endings might be bad but how does that make the whole gamebad and/or pointless?

2. Dragon Age Origins had bad endings, yet is considered a good game. What's the main difference between the DAO and Me3 Endings?

A game with multiple endings where you collect crap,do side quests for XX hours but the ending never really changes. How is that not pointless? 

DA:O had multiple endings that lived upto the billing.


I'd imagine the people who put XX hours into perfectly tailored playtroughs are feeling rather betrayed right now.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[me12343455]

Kemor wrote...

Why DA:O had a bad ending? I found it quite decent, gave me closure and that's all I need.
DA2 for example was a bad ending since it didn't give any closure whatsoever.

As long as ME3 ending gives me closure, that's fine with me, even if it's just via hand drawn vignettes or whatever.

DA:O did not have a bad ending you sacraficed yourself and died like a hero going home. your companions live and went seperate ways.

i would love an endning like this in ME3. but no your squad has to crash and inbreed....I do not want joker banging ashley.

[Pathero]

Would you watch Oldboy if it had a bad ending?

Oh wait...

[I_Jedi]

me12343455 wrote...

Kemor wrote...

Why DA:O had a bad ending? I found it quite decent, gave me closure and that's all I need.
DA2 for example was a bad ending since it didn't give any closure whatsoever.

As long as ME3 ending gives me closure, that's fine with me, even if it's just via hand drawn vignettes or whatever.

DA:O did not have a bad ending you sacraficed yourself and died like a hero going home. your companions live and went seperate ways.

i would love an endning like this in ME3. but no your squad has to crash and inbreed....I do not want joker banging ashley.

joker has brittle-bone disease. He won't survive it.

[Dark Specie]

If there are only bad endings, that sours the whole game for me - the whole trilogy, even. Remember, a game isn't like a book or a movie that you can finish in just a few hours and have no choice(s) in. Playing through all three Mass Effect games can take days even if you do it full-time (especially if you're a completetionist who does all quest and so forth), costing a lot of time and effort. But if you know that only bad/crap endings await you at the end, would you feel that it was worth the effort you have to put into it? I don't.

As for DAO, as others have mentioned, there was a greater deal of variation ending-wise, and you could end things on a MUCH lighter note compared to here - your comrades don't all get potentially killed or stranded in DAO's endings and you could avoid having to sacrifie your life, so comparing it to DAO doesn't work, my friend...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 03 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[kyg_20X6]

Because you know where it's going. It takes the enjoyment out of interacting with certain people/situations when you know how disappointing it's going to end and there is nothing you (in an ME game!) can do about it.A bad sequel can ruin the original. Bad seasons of a show can ruin those that went before it. For example, I loved the first 3 seasons of Buffy but didn't like any of what came after. But knowing the crappy fates of the characters makes watching the first 3 less enjoyable. It is very important you don't **** up the endings (whatever it may be)! You can't please everyone but you've go to try. The impressions the ME3 endings give is that BioWare didn't. I mean, c'mon, what percentage of fans want to see ****ty fates for Shepard and crew? For EVERY ending!?

[LilyasAvalon]

Did... you not play the same game where we were told our choices and decisions would actually matter? I played that game, but regardless of the choices my various Sheps made, I am still going to end up with 7 endings whose only real difference is a shiny color and Joker still runs away with my Ship and My crew and My LI and crashes it into a planet...

Yeah, that ruins all re-playability for me.

That's why I adored Origins, my choices effected my allies, what people thought of me, the endings... I've played through Origins maybe 20 times at least.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 03 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[natzo]

A bad ending undermines everything you did during the game, specially in an rpg. Like DA2 in which no decision mattered.

I mean, try as you might, work as hard as possible and you barely get a pyrrhic victory? That destroys the purpose of even trying.

[I_Jedi]

Dark Specie wrote...

If there are only bad endings, that sours the whole game for me - the whole trilogy, even. Remember, a game isn't like a book or a movie that you can finish in just a few hours and have no choice(s) in. Playing through all three Mass Effect games can take days even if you do it full-time (especially if you're a completetionist who does all quest and so forth), costing a lot of time and effort. But if you know that only bad/crap endings await you at the end, would you feel that it was worth the effort you have to put into it? I don't.

As for DAO, as others have mentioned, there was a greater deal of variation ending-wise, and you could end things on a MUCH lighter note compared to here - your comrades don't all get potentially killed or stranded in DAO's endings and you could avoid having to sacrifie your life, so comparing it to DAO doesn't work, my friend...

[Pathero]

Has anyone played Close Combat, the old Microsoft WW2 sim games?

I'm looking on it like them:
In it you can play as (for example the Germans or Russians fighting on the Russian front. You can win your battles and keep your men alive but ultimately it is not going to affect the outcome of the war as the larger war is being lost/won around you. I want my men to survive in this game (damn it, I want them to get home to their families) but ultimately, if your playing as the Germans your still going to loose the war.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Well, OP, look at it this way: If you spent 100+ hours making the perfect save from ME1-2 to import for ME3; saving all the squadmates you like, cuddling with your LI, and making the perfect paragon or renegade character, then all of the sudden at the end, you're left with 3 choices that screws everyone in the end no matter which one you choose. You might as well not do those loyalty missions or make those good or bad choices, if most of your squad, especially your LI won't even make it in the end. So, in essence, wtf was the point of doing all those loyalty missions for our crew, and making those tough choices, when you kill them off in the end anyway?