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[Zyrious]

Aesieru wrote...

Where do we find out about this dyson sphere around a sun? I don't remember LEgion saying that.

At the end of Mass Effect 2 if you talk to legion. Let me see if i can find you the youtube link...



think thats it

[Balek-Vriege]

Aesieru wrote...

Where do we find out about this dyson sphere around a sun? I don't remember LEgion saying that.

He talks about it if you explore all of his conversations about what the True Geth plan to do.  Youtube and/or Mass Effect wiki should cover it.

*back to cooking chicken wings*

Edit:

TekFanX wrote...


I'm not gonna flame you, in fact, you brought up some points I agree with.
Now comes the great "But"(I see Miranda-jokes coming about that sentence):

If you know something you do is gruesome and makes people fear you, you would find a solution to do it in the dark.
Instead, they built giant space-ships, that turn your people into cyber-zombies.
Reapers are capable of creating frankenstein-husks from different species as they please, but they are not capable of creating some kind of plan to do their task peacefully or without carnage?
Instead they risk a fullscale-war and do their halloween-theme over and over again.

Why harvest organics and make them live their last years in terrible fear of husks or indoctrinated people, if you just want to preserve organic live?
How do I have to imagine such a race?
Like doctors who dress up like Freddy Kruger in a childs hospital?

The husks, even Saren (although the result would be something similar to him without mind control. but much added intellect and computing power), seem to be different than what Guardian is proposing.  Husks are just tools of war and even the Reapers are tools of war (while they're second function is serving as an ark of sorts) while the synergy would be making every individual into a new type of being all together.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 03 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[Aesieru]

Apparently my crew has to die for me to see that?

[Balek-Vriege]

Aesieru wrote...

Apparently my crew has to die for me to see that?

Completely different issue.

[Aesieru]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Apparently my crew has to die for me to see that?

Completely different issue.

Now that I consider it, I think in a playthrough where I didn't do the relay immediately, I do recall that conversation but not one I have saved still possibly not even on the PC but the 360.

[Balek-Vriege]

Aesieru wrote...


Now that I consider it, I think in a playthrough where I didn't do the relay immediately, I do recall that conversation but not one I have saved still possibly not even on the PC but the 360.

Yeah the key for me was leaving enough side missions post suicide mission to get through all of Legion's dialogue triggers.  That way I don't lose crew.

[Aesieru]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aesieru wrote...


Now that I consider it, I think in a playthrough where I didn't do the relay immediately, I do recall that conversation but not one I have saved still possibly not even on the PC but the 360.

Yeah the key for me was leaving enough side missions post suicide mission to get through all of Legion's dialogue triggers.  That way I don't lose crew.

Mmm, I don't think that worked for me, but I'll check again on my ultimate paragon save.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Aesieru]

I was able to get one more dialog out, but I can't get the final one abotu the sphere because I've got nothing left, and no editor exists for ME2 values so I can't make it seem like he's prepared to tell me.

100% completion fail on me lol.

[Treopod]

if this is the case wouldnt it have been much smarter to program the reapers to destroy Synthetic life like geth before they become intelligent, and make the reapers warn Organic life from advancing AI technology, and stop them with force if they refuse, but still leave them alive.

If an organic mind enhanced with technology is also considered a technological singularity, then i dont see how that would be a problem or threat, Cause that would still be an organic mind with free will that could evolve exponentially just as good as true AI, so organic races wouldnt even have a need for sentient AI:s anymore, and they would be able to defend themselves even if such a AI existed (in case it developed in another galaxy and decided to move into the milky way for example)

that seems like a much better way to evolve (ie i guess synergy ending is similar to that) rather than have reapers stop advancement of life forever in that galaxy.

[Treopod]

Turel11234 wrote...

Okay, this hostility is unwarranted.

Use your brains goddamnit instead spouting bull****.



The Reapers were afraid of a singularity in case of which an AI develops that is vastly superior to organics.
And then it's decides that they are a threat to its continued existence and attempts to wipe them out.
As a machine intellect it is devoid of emotions and does it's job throughly - eliminating all organic life - including some primordial soup on a planet at a butt end of the galaxy - lest it might someday evolve into something threatening.
And all the time it continues to improve itself, essentially wiping the galaxy bare of resources(which is something that Geth actually begun to do in their space) - thus giving no chance to for organic life to evolve EVER again.
And in the end we have a sterile, barren galaxy with a gigantic supercomputer made out off all the resources. Once the AI figures that it is STILL not enough and there is still room for improvement it will spill over to other, neighboring galaxies to harvest more resources and "build additional pylons"


Now what the reapers do is to purge the galaxy of all advanced organics that are at risk of unleashing such a fatal singularity - and preserving and memorializing it's collective consciousnes in the form of a reaper. All the while all the while sparing younger races.
Yeah - they end existances of trillions of beings each cycle, but it's just a statistic in the grand scale of things - in the end what they do is making sure that organic life keeps existing.
It is all in the probability - with the size of the galaxy, the multitude of races inhabiting at any given time a fatal singularity WILL HAPPEN sooner or later.
And once it happens it's "game over man, game over!" - the scenario that they fear and i described only needs to happen once and it is all over - BAM! no more organics - ever.
Who knows? perhaps the original race begun the cycle after suffering a very harrowing, very, very, very close call themselves in the prehistoric past.


And with the info we have, close calls are actually pretty frequent.
The failed AI uprising in the prothean era taht was dealt with by blowing the ****ING SUN in the respective system and the recent Morning War.

Before any of you jumps out and say "hey! but the Geth aren't hostile, just isolationist!" let me remind you.
Their current plan is to build a massive dyson sphere encasing a goddamn star so they can happily make consensus as one, even better, even faster - what if they decide that it is still not enough?
Sure - our bro, Legion said that they bear no ill will toward the organics and don't care about them one way or the other unless they're try to interfere.
I'll be damned if they don't try to interfere in case of Geth gobbling up a galaxy worth of resources. 


In the end what the reapers do, is trying to save us from ourselves - even if we don't want to or won't even acknowlegde or believe taht the problem even exists to begin with.
And more so they realize that their solution is cruel, gruesome and definitely NOT ideal - hence the Guardian if anyone has any better ideas.


Flame me if you wish, but i believe that the singularity motive is a lot better than the Dark Energy bull****.
I hope i have given you a proper context and some food for thought.
Flame me if you wish i don't care 

But the OP already showed us that there exists an alternative route for Intelligent organics rather than developing sentient AI that will exponentially improve themselves. Ie the advanced organics can achieve technological singularity by improving their own intelligence with the help of technology (be it gene experiments or microships) and thus they will be able to improve thier own intelligence at the same rate as sentient AI:s while still retaining their free will and organic base. 

If they did that they would never have a need for sentient AI:s anymore so they would not create them, so there would be no threat of AI:s harvesting the galaxy, instead it would be us organics doing it like usual although with much greater success.

imo this is something the creators of the reapers should have thought about, kinda silly actually.

[Balek-Vriege]

Treopod wrote...

But the OP already showed us that there exists an alternative route for Intelligent organics rather than developing sentient AI that will exponentially improve themselves. Ie the advanced organics can achieve technological singularity by improving their own intelligence with the help of technology (be it gene experiments or microships) and thus they will be able to improve thier own intelligence at the same rate as sentient AI:s while still retaining their free will and organic base. 

If they did that they would never have a need for sentient AI:s anymore so they would not create them, so there would be no threat of AI:s harvesting the galaxy, instead it would be us organics doing it like usual although with much greater success.

imo this is something the creators of the reapers should have thought about, kinda silly actually.

I think the Reaper's/Guardian's fear is that these cyborgs that reach technological singularity freely would in fact become senient AI/machines and would shed away they organic form.  The merge solution seems to be very close to this by giving all organics "epic" cybernetic and cognitive abilities.  The only difference I can see is that these new cybernetic beings would be limited and adverse to creating a singularity since their new ways of thinking etc. have been slightly pre-programmed by the Guardian to avoid it.  At least that's the vibe I get.

What it comes down to for me is why they chose the Reaper plan over the Synergy plan for themselves and others.  The only reason I see is that they truly wanted to allow new lifeforms to exist and be allowed to come into existence.  Even having uber cybernetic beings incapable or unwilling to reach singularity would still limit any future organics in the galaxy.  Instead the creators wanted to give everyone a chance to be on top, if only for a maximum of 50K years.

[MakeMineMako]

Turel11234 wrote...

Okay, this hostility is unwarranted.

Use your brains goddamnit instead spouting bull****.



The Reapers were afraid of a singularity in case of which an AI develops that is vastly superior to organics.
And then it's decides that they are a threat to its continued existence and attempts to wipe them out.
As a machine intellect it is devoid of emotions and does it's job throughly - eliminating all organic life - including some primordial soup on a planet at a butt end of the galaxy - lest it might someday evolve into something threatening.
And all the time it continues to improve itself, essentially wiping the galaxy bare of resources(which is something that Geth actually begun to do in their space) - thus giving no chance to for organic life to evolve EVER again.
And in the end we have a sterile, barren galaxy with a gigantic supercomputer made out off all the resources. Once the AI figures that it is STILL not enough and there is still room for improvement it will spill over to other, neighboring galaxies to harvest more resources and "build additional pylons"


Now what the reapers do is to purge the galaxy of all advanced organics that are at risk of unleashing such a fatal singularity - and preserving and memorializing it's collective consciousnes in the form of a reaper. All the while all the while sparing younger races.
Yeah - they end existances of trillions of beings each cycle, but it's just a statistic in the grand scale of things - in the end what they do is making sure that organic life keeps existing.
It is all in the probability - with the size of the galaxy, the multitude of races inhabiting at any given time a fatal singularity WILL HAPPEN sooner or later.
And once it happens it's "game over man, game over!" - the scenario that they fear and i described only needs to happen once and it is all over - BAM! no more organics - ever.
Who knows? perhaps the original race begun the cycle after suffering a very harrowing, very, very, very close call themselves in the prehistoric past.


And with the info we have, close calls are actually pretty frequent.
The failed AI uprising in the prothean era taht was dealt with by blowing the ****ING SUN in the respective system and the recent Morning War.

Before any of you jumps out and say "hey! but the Geth aren't hostile, just isolationist!" let me remind you.
Their current plan is to build a massive dyson sphere encasing a goddamn star so they can happily make consensus as one, even better, even faster - what if they decide that it is still not enough?
Sure - our bro, Legion said that they bear no ill will toward the organics and don't care about them one way or the other unless they're try to interfere.
I'll be damned if they don't try to interfere in case of Geth gobbling up a galaxy worth of resources. 


In the end what the reapers do, is trying to save us from ourselves - even if we don't want to or won't even acknowlegde or believe taht the problem even exists to begin with.
And more so they realize that their solution is cruel, gruesome and definitely NOT ideal - hence the Guardian if anyone has any better ideas.


Flame me if you wish, but i believe that the singularity motive is a lot better than the Dark Energy bull****.
I hope i have given you a proper context and some food for thought.
Flame me if you wish i don't care 

You want to know what I think of this technological singularity (aka: "The Rapture For Nerds") crap? The pic below sums up my feeling on the matter:




The "Dark Energy" thing, while off the wall, had a nice sci-fi vibe to it. Not this BS tech-age counterculture garbage, which is just a pseudo-philosophical, new age school of thought. Which, in my opinion, doesn't fit a cool (but cheesy) '80's-style escapist space opera.

[Aesieru]

MAJOR SPOILER:

Apparently the Protheans were doing the terrible things the Reapers were actually trying to stop, they were pitting races against each other in attempts to find out the strongest and who was good enough to join them, they were enslaving AI's and nearly had a rebellion of them, and a lot of other bad stuff.