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[The Radical Centrist]

GBGriffin wrote...

I think the real test to see whether or not this was all a mistake will be the week or so after launch, once sales numbers start to come in and people pick up and play the game.

I expect initial sales will be very high. If the game was just a screw-up then, like DA2, we'll see a high-number of returns and plummeting sales compared to previous entries in the series over the following several weeks.

[MakeMineMako]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Who is this "we" you speak of?

I'm either referring to the hundreds and hundreds of complaining fans here at BSN, or I have usurped the royal control over the United Kingdom and am merely using the appropriate proper noun.

I forget which is actually true.

"King Arbiter" actually has a nice ring to it.

[GBGriffin]

 

WeWant wrote...

I like how a group of fanboys speak for the rest of gamers.

Guess what OP, you are just 2% of the potential buyers and I as many others, actually like those endings. Sorry you didn't get your fan-service through. 

Again, I think it'll be interesting to see who wins out once launch happens.

Juromaro wrote...



Won't matter, this isn't an MMO, once the game has sold the game has sold, at that point it comes to the amount of DLC they sell, if their DLC doesn't sell as well as ME2 DLC then the majority had an issue with the game.

Actually, if the DA2 scenario happens again, the game will sell then dry up, and honestly, I don't see people buying DLC without a "rescue" option or a "better ending".

Time will tell, though.

[DXLelouch15]

just the Normandy man fix that, the random teleporting of Squadmates and the LI bug and most of the rage would die

[SilencedScream]

Honestly, I don't think there'll be a noticeable difference in sales. Despite a lot of criticism the ending is getting on the forum, very few people are actually cancelling their pre-orders. Many people want to finish the story, even if they know the end is garbage.

Take that, combined with the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who will buy the game AREN'T on the forum and don't know the ending... early sales will still be high. It might eventually taper off as DA2 did, but initial sales will still be nearly as high as it was prior to the ending being leaked.

[WeWant]

So sales are representative of quality now?

If the potential buyers are all whinny fanboys, maybe you will be right.

[WizenSlinky0]

Juromaro wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Who is this "we" you speak of?

I'm either referring to the hundreds and hundreds of complaining fans here at BSN, or I have usurped the royal control over the United Kingdom and am merely using the appropriate proper noun.

I forget which is actually true.

It's not hundreds and hundreds of complaining fans, It's a handful of the most vocal on the forums complaining. I'm fine with the endings, my wife is fine with the endings, my brothers are fine with the endings, My cousins are fine with the endings, and my friends are fine with the endings.


The title really should be "Bioware: The lesson here? Some of us don't like suprise endings to series." In all honesty if you didn't see this coming when they hinted at it for 2 full games then your either blind, stupid or both. Complain all you want I'm still going to buy the game and enjoy the hell out of it for 3 play throughs then I'm going to stop playing and come back on the forums when I recieve emails about Bioware's new projects.

I've seen forum goers who rarely waste time discussing matters like this actually get involved. Not whining. Not complaining. Just talking and considering how unsatisfying and poorly executed the ending is. Or perhaps my expectations are just high for my games(though I doubt it). Being "Fine" with the endings to me is a nice way of saying "Meh, let down but whatever, where's the next game?" Which doesn't exactly elicite much pleasure from my brain. I consider a game that leaves me thinking it's "Fine" to be a complete let down.

Hell, a lot of the people discussing this don't even mind the endings themselves. At least not enough to continually complain about them. But it's the package that combines into something unsatisfactory. The fact after the battle is over the Normandy is space magiced by a relay and then space magiced AGAIN through a wormhole. Because, well, why not right? It's "Fine". Except it's not. The sendoff is terrible. If they wanted to sacrifice the Normandy it would have been more satisfying for them to crash the ship into a reaper or something of the sort. This is just...pointless and arbitrary additions that detract from the experience as a whole.

If you actually enjoy the endings more power to you. I'm glad you'll be entirely satisfied with the game. A lot of people, however, will not be. Or at least a lot of people who are invested. The ones who aren't could pretty much be given any ending because they don't care.

I don't like unsatisfying endings. I don't like "Fine" endings. And I will warn people as needed that they may be running into a brickwall. However, I still hope people enjoy the last game in the series. If you want to consider what some of us are doing to be mindlessly complaining I suggest you more carefully read some of our posts. Few of us actually want people to not get the game and not enjoy it. I'm still getting it. Unfortunately I won't be playing through it more than once unless something changes. If you can put yourself through the ending more than that again more power to you. It's too unsatisfying, as is,  for me to consider doing so.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 03 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

WeWant wrote...

So sales are representative of quality now?

If the potential buyers are all whinny fanboys, maybe you will be right.

That goes both ways though...

[GBGriffin]

WeWant wrote...

So sales are representative of quality now?

If the potential buyers are all whinny fanboys, maybe you will be right.

To a business, yes. I think that they will look at what happens to the sales to see if their product was successful or if it needs improving. Also, when you take into consideration that fans will either recommend or discourage sales through word of mouth, then, yes, I expect sales will ultimately reflect whether or not people were generally satisfied.

[GBGriffin]

Juromaro wrote...



DA2 and DA:O are completely different games, Origins was essentially a stratagy game, where as DA2 was an action rpg.

I own Both games and DLC for both games, I like some things from DA:O and other things from DA:2. Hell my wife is going through another playthrough of DA2 right now.

Mass Effect 3 however isn't a change from ME2 in terms of gameplay. They actually added the concepts from ME1 and ME2, the only downside I see to it is MP which hopefully won't affect SP gameplay when people call for the eventual nerfs and buffs to classes.

You're right. There isn't a change in gameplay and, from what I hear, gameplay has been improved. The change happens in the overall tone and thematic element that the first two games worked to establish. For newcomers who don't care as much about what's already been established, then, yes, I expect them to enjoy it and even be satisfied with the endings. For others who have invested in the series for years, I just don't see the same happening because it basically unravels everything you've worked for in the first two games.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I think few fans will like the endings. Yes, there will be a massive backlash at Bioware.

[Chuvvy]

I think it's less. no surprise endings and more, no terrible endings.

[WeWant]

GBGriffin wrote...

WeWant wrote...

So sales are representative of quality now?

If the potential buyers are all whinny fanboys, maybe you will be right.

To a business, yes. I think that they will look at what happens to the sales to see if their product was successful or if it needs improving. Also, when you take into consideration that fans will either recommend or discourage sales through word of mouth, then, yes, I expect sales will ultimately reflect whether or not people were generally satisfied.

Except that it's not just about business, but creativity. The masses can be wrong, specially when it comes to Bioware fanboys.
When it comes to Day 1 DLC: nope no problem take mah money!
When they know they won't have the predictable disney ending they want: omg boycott!

Seriously grow up.

[GBGriffin]

WeWant wrote...


Except that it's not just about business, but creativity. The masses can be wrong, specially when it comes to Bioware fanboys.
When it comes to Day 1 DLC: nope no problem take mah money!
When they know they won't have the predictable disney ending they want: omg boycott!

Seriously grow up.

...Except that people have already protested the Day 1 DLC. 

Meh, oh well. Believe whatever you want.

[The Makatak]

WeWant wrote...

Except that it's not just about business, but creativity. The masses can be wrong, specially when it comes to Bioware fanboys.
When it comes to Day 1 DLC: nope no problem take mah money!
When they know they won't have the predictable disney ending they want: omg boycott!

Seriously grow up.

So you didn't see the pages upon pages of threads that were around weeks before the leaked endings where people were already threatening (or carrying through) with cancelling their preorders because of pay-for Day 1 DLC?

I never once came to these forums before a week ago and I sure saw them.

[WeWant]

The Makatak wrote...

WeWant wrote...

Except that it's not just about business, but creativity. The masses can be wrong, specially when it comes to Bioware fanboys.
When it comes to Day 1 DLC: nope no problem take mah money!
When they know they won't have the predictable disney ending they want: omg boycott!

Seriously grow up.

So you didn't see the pages upon pages of threads that were around weeks before the leaked endings where people were already threatening (or carrying through) with cancelling their preorders because of pay-for Day 1 DLC?

I never once came to these forums before a week ago and I sure saw them.

It  wasn't as much a big deal as the ending is now. In fact, there was a large number of "****s" defending it.
I don't see them now thus, I guess a large number of people who defended bioware are now whining too.

EDIT: They censure the word "b.i.o.d.r.o.n.e" now? LMAO!!

Modifié par WeWant, 04 mars 2012 - 12:07 .

[GBGriffin]

WeWant wrote...



It  wasn't as much a big deal as the ending is now. In fact, there was a large number of "****s" defending it.
I don't see them now thus, I guess a large number of people who defeded bioware are now whining too.

Well, yeah. I think that people might have defended the DLC because, again, they had high hopes for BioWare, and the endings killed that. Just my speculation, of course.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

OP do you think Saving Private Ryan would be a good movie if everybody lived in the end? It's not about what you or I think or any other fan, yes the devs listen to their fans and bioware does an extremely good job with fan service especially in this game, but no you will not get your happy sunshine ending with flowers and rainbows, the Reapers are here to kill everything, get over your self the end time is here Shep's fate has been decided by 7 endings i think that's plenty

[GBGriffin]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

OP do you think Saving Private Ryan would be a good movie if everybody lived in the end? It's not about what you or I think or any other fan, yes the devs listen to their fans and bioware does an extremely good job with fan service especially in this game, but no you will not get your happy sunshine ending with flowers and rainbows, the Reapers are here to kill everything, get over your self the end time is here Shep's fate has been decided by 7 endings i think that's plenty

Saving Private Ryan, a two-ish hour movie, versus Mass Effect 3, a series that, at the very least, includes 3 games that boast that choices matter and result in, ultimately, what color do you like and who gets to crash land on an alien planet.

Again, take as many grimdark endings as you want. Is one, even remotely pleasant one, too much to ask? Or, a compromise: the crew is reunited and marooned together. It's not flowers and rainbows, but at least it's better than what's being presented.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 04 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

GBGriffin wrote...

Again, take as many grimdark endings as you want. Is one, even remotely pleasant one, too much to ask? Or, a compromise: the crew is reunited and marooned together. It's not flowers and rainbows, but at least it's better than what's being presented.

Did it occur to you that this game is a peice of art and its not YOUR art its bioware's and art is supposed to make you feel emotion, so congrats your mad becasue you didnt get your happy ending. Everyone expereicnes art in their own way so relax dude all the huffing and puffing won't blow bioware's house down.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Again, take as many grimdark endings as you want. Is one, even remotely pleasant one, too much to ask? Or, a compromise: the crew is reunited and marooned together. It's not flowers and rainbows, but at least it's better than what's being presented.

Did it occur to you that this game is a peice of art and its not YOUR art its bioware's and art is supposed to make you feel emotion, so congrats your mad becasue you didnt get your happy ending. Everyone expereicnes art in their own way so relax dude all the huffing and puffing won't blow bioware's house down.

I'm a little uncertain if this is sarcasm, or r u serious? 

[Yumi50]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

OP do you think Saving Private Ryan would be a good movie if everybody lived in the end? It's not about what you or I think or any other fan, yes the devs listen to their fans and bioware does an extremely good job with fan service especially in this game, but no you will not get your happy sunshine ending with flowers and rainbows, the Reapers are here to kill everything, get over your self the end time is here Shep's fate has been decided by 7 endings i think that's plenty

SPR is a great film. It builds up to the point that the sacrifice has to be made. People died giving their lives for Ryan.. what about Normandy crew? Do they die fighting at Shepard's side heroically? Or do they just happen to explode out of nowhere in space and end up strand nowhere to be known in space as well? 
 
I'm eagerly wainting to see the build up to ending and hoping it's good enough to make up for it. But the fact that BW just let us believed for 2 GAMES of 100+ hours ( not including many playthroughs.) that if you fight hard enough. Everything is gonna be alright. It will end well.

But no, according to the evidences presented, this will not end well.

P.S. happy ending in ME2 = sunshine & bunnies = people complained = fan rages? No.
Does happy ending ( everyone survives) make ME2 not remembered or praised by critics? No.
No, the rating is one of the best of all time. So what's wrong with heroic disney ending?
If you want to make it into art form, there're so many way one can list. But you don't end most anticipated mainstream game of 2012 by going with Oscar, Golden Globe award winning indy plot&script.

Modifié par Yumi50, 04 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

ithurtz wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Again, take as many grimdark endings as you want. Is one, even remotely pleasant one, too much to ask? Or, a compromise: the crew is reunited and marooned together. It's not flowers and rainbows, but at least it's better than what's being presented.

Did it occur to you that this game is a peice of art and its not YOUR art its bioware's and art is supposed to make you feel emotion, so congrats your mad becasue you didnt get your happy ending. Everyone expereicnes art in their own way so relax dude all the huffing and puffing won't blow bioware's house down.

I'm a little uncertain if this is sarcasm, or r u serious? 

Yes,  video games are ART