156 réponses à ce sujet

[Phoenixblight]

Massefeckt wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
Oh I read, it still doesn't justify his actions. THis is how things have been done since video games were in their infancy. All media gets released on a certain day because of distributation and DIgital distributation has to follow the same rules because otherwise it gives a huge advantage over the brick and mortar stores like walmart and gamestop which publishers can't yet remove from the formula because they have a large majority of the sales with these media types. In the future when games are all digital they can release them when they want but we have yet to cross that line. 
This is just an example of entitled babies who have no patience. 

You can still have a worldwide release date, films have started doing it becuase it has helped cut down on piracy so why not games? The "Well it's always been that way" isn't a valid reason times change business models must keep up with the public wants and needs if they want to remain successful. Piracy can't be beaten but it can be limited by good customer relations.

TV is learning this popular TV shows now get shown worldwide with very little delay, while in the past you would have to wait six months to a year to watch say the Soprano's in the UK. When Lost became popular they started broadcasting it within 24 hrs and piracy was cut because of it.

Publishers to have a world wide release date have to pay an exorbitant amount of money in order to create a distributation system to support that unique day. The route of having the game release  on the normal dates of TUesday for NA and Friday for EU is cheaper.

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 04 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[Massefeckt]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
Oh I read, it still doesn't justify his actions. THis is how things have been done since video games were in their infancy. All media gets released on a certain day because of distributation and DIgital distributation has to follow the same rules because otherwise it gives a huge advantage over the brick and mortar stores like walmart and gamestop which publishers can't yet remove from the formula because they have a large majority of the sales with these media types. In the future when games are all digital they can release them when they want but we have yet to cross that line. 
This is just an example of entitled babies who have no patience. 

You can still have a worldwide release date, films have started doing it becuase it has helped cut down on piracy so why not games? The "Well it's always been that way" isn't a valid reason times change business models must keep up with the public wants and needs if they want to remain successful. Piracy can't be beaten but it can be limited by good customer relations.

TV is learning this popular TV shows now get shown worldwide with very little delay, while in the past you would have to wait six months to a year to watch say the Soprano's in the UK. When Lost became popular they started broadcasting it within 24 hrs and piracy was cut because of it.

Publishers to have a world wide release date have to pay an exobent amount of money in order to create a distributation system to support that unique day. The route of having the game release  on the normal dates of TUesday for NA and Friday for EU is cheaper.

Sorry but thats just a huge exaggerration it doesn't cost a huge amount more if anything more to release a game on a tuesday rather than a friday or push back the NA to Friday. The games are already in the stores in the EU, some people have already been sent their copies in europe, all EA have to do is give them permission to sell the game.

[Phoenixblight]

Massefeckt wrote...



Sorry but thats just a huge exaggerration it doesn't cost a huge amount more if anything more to release a game on a tuesday rather than a friday or push back the NA to Friday. The games are already in the stores in the EU, some people have already been sent their copies in europe, all EA have to do is give them permission to sell the game.

I am talking about when the original date is created. THere is a lot of logistics created in order to make sure all orders are met on the official release date. The date is set and you will have to wait until the day comes. Deal with it. EA is not going to change a date that they have placed just because some people have no patience. GO do something. You know what the date of release was going to be 8 months ago, time to suck it up and deal. 

[Ykalondr]

Navasha wrote...

My guess would be that North America is the largest market and since the vast number of piracy violations take place overseas, they can get a much higher initial sales.

If it was released worldwide, then pirated copies would start showing up within days and more people would likely just wait for a pirated version.

Its not some arbitrary decision. Again.... don't blame the developers... blame the pirates. They are ultimately the ones that companies have to adapt their policies around.

Totally wrong. Staggered releases increases piracy. The pirates in Europe will actually be able to play the game before the legal customers. A lot of piracy is because it is easier and faster than having to wait until it is legally available.

Absolute best tactics at fighting piracy is simultaneous worldwide release. The movie industry has largely started to notice that, before it could take months between American premiere and European one, now it is simultaneous or within a few days. Same has even started to happen with some TV shows.

[Rrezz]

its punishment for not living in the land of the free

[Ykalondr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Nobody in this thread does seem to have a clue. Retail and PAL etc. is BS because even on Origin (digital download) you only get it on 8th or 9th. I would like to know the real reason too though.

That's a lot easier to explain, the truly BIG retailers still sells more copies than what digital does and they want to continue doing that so if Bioware unlocked the digital Version on the 6th a lot of retailers would refuse to sell it.

[Ykalondr]

ticklefist wrote...

Legitimate retail purchase will be available before a working crack is.

maybe for North America. But by the 8th when it's released in Sweden among other countries a crack will already have been available for a day or 2.

[GnusmasTHX]

su66otnik wrote...

It makes no sense. Why would you do that, BioWare? All you're doing is setting yourself up to losing impatient customers to piracy.

Rofl, yeah. BioWare dictates the releases of products in Europe.

[Ykalondr]

AlexXIV wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Europeans will just end up pirating because it will be available at least 2 full days earlier. Plus they probably already preloaded the game by now.

People don't pirate games just to play earlier. They do it so because they don't want to pay. Which is hella rude tbh because real fans want Bioware to have money to make games in the future too. Pirating is the most selfish and egoistic thing people can do and there is no excuse for it. Bioware asked for it/EA/Origin is to blame is pure bull****. Because frankly, if all people were such egomaniacs then everyone would pirate and in a couple of years nobody would buy or produce games anymore. They are just leeches on society. Or in our case on our gaming community. If people want to play, pay. If not, then they don't need to buy the game, period.

Here's a couple of reasons why people pirate:
1) Lack of convenience. This is why services such as Steam are having a good time, purely because it's incredibly simple to buy->play a game.
2) Too expensive. This is why many games have gone on a sales-spree, and why projects like the Humble Bundle exist. If something is on sale, more people are willing to buy it. I'm guessing you could put too many DLC's
 into this category as well.
3) DRM. I had to download a crack for AC2 once because I couldn't get my COMPLETELY LEGALLY BOUGHT version to play. I haven't bought an Ubisoft game since, and I don't plan to.
4) Bad customer-relations. This is what's haunting EA currently.
5) Delayed release. As posted right above this, people go to piracy when a game/movie/album is released somewhere and delayed for the rest of the world. You'd be a fool to think this has no effect on piracy whatsoever.

Pirates aren't just there to **** on companies. Most of them have plenty of valid reasons, and it just so happens that they can get their cake and eat it too when it comes to videogames, which doesn't really happen in any other product.

I never said they don't have a bunch of lame excuses. There are no valid reasons for pirating. If you have a problem with the game contact customer support. I know it can suck to wait etc. but I can't steal stuff from a shop either because I don't want to stand in the line at the cash out (or what it is called in english).

You want something, you make it yourself or you buy it from someone who made it. That's how economy works. Everything else harms economy and would completely ruin it if all people act like it. It just isn't overly harmful because most people know that and have something that's called backbone.

Or you know just release it at the same time everywhere cause those that would solely pirate it just to get it at the same time as North America would buy the game instead meaning less piracy (= good) and more money for the developer to spend on awsome DLC and new games. Just saying piracy is bad doesn't help, trying to find out why people pirate and what can be done about it does.

[ToastyFresh]

Absolute best tactics at fighting piracy is simultaneous worldwide release. The movie industry has largely started to notice that, before it could take months between American premiere and European one, now it is simultaneous or within a few days. Same has even started to happen with some TV shows.

Lol, yeah, that, and avoiding day-one DLC, online passes and various scummy ordeals. Clearly that doesn't happen too often.

[Ykalondr]

su66otnik wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

su66otnik wrote...
No. Piracy is just forcing developers and publishers to get with the times. We live in an age of digital distribution, where ease of access should be incredibly simple, yet these thickheaded people think we should just sit and be okay with whatever they throw in our face.

Do you know what takes no backbone? Sitting passively, buying up products from publishers that absolutely loathe the consumer. Do you know what having a backbone means? Sticking it to the people that release a game several days later than when it should have, releasing tons of DLC and forcing DRM down your throat.

So **** you for thinking you're the good guy in this deal, when you're just sitting there, sucking on the bones that EA throws at you.

Yeah, because there first was DRM and then because of DRM pirating started. In your universe that is obviously not the same as everyone else lives in. People pirated games when there wasn't even any registry. The companies are since the first PC games busy to try to avoid pirating. DRM exists because of pirates, not the other way round. If all people were honest, life would be alot easier for everyone. It's a simple fact of life. Pirates never achieved anything but making things worse for everyone. Well aside from themselves, because they can play all games for free and without trouble, no? Very convenient.

And yet DRM doesn't stop pirates any bit, but only serves to annoy the customers. DRM did indeed start because of pirates, but has it served any purpose whatsoever? No.

And how exactly did pirates make life worse for anyone? The only thing that have made the life worse for anyone would be the knee-jerk reactions of publishers and developers, who, by now, have made life a living hell for any legit customer.

DRM actually does prevent most cases of private copying, for instance Pete down the block can't just borrow your Mass Effect 2 copy and do a copy with a DVD burner.

[Ykalondr]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
Oh I read, it still doesn't justify his actions. THis is how things have been done since video games were in their infancy. All media gets released on a certain day because of distributation and DIgital distributation has to follow the same rules because otherwise it gives a huge advantage over the brick and mortar stores like walmart and gamestop which publishers can't yet remove from the formula because they have a large majority of the sales with these media types. In the future when games are all digital they can release them when they want but we have yet to cross that line. 
This is just an example of entitled babies who have no patience. 

You can still have a worldwide release date, films have started doing it becuase it has helped cut down on piracy so why not games? The "Well it's always been that way" isn't a valid reason times change business models must keep up with the public wants and needs if they want to remain successful. Piracy can't be beaten but it can be limited by good customer relations.

TV is learning this popular TV shows now get shown worldwide with very little delay, while in the past you would have to wait six months to a year to watch say the Soprano's in the UK. When Lost became popular they started broadcasting it within 24 hrs and piracy was cut because of it.

Publishers to have a world wide release date have to pay an exorbitant amount of money in order to create a distributation system to support that unique day. The route of having the game release  on the normal dates of TUesday for NA and Friday for EU is cheaper.

Nope, all they need to do is to ship it to the stores in Europe a week early with a date on when it is legal for them to sell it. It's not like the game stores are only open one day a week here...

[BBCH]

Ykalondr wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

su66otnik wrote...
No. Piracy is just forcing developers and publishers to get with the times. We live in an age of digital distribution, where ease of access should be incredibly simple, yet these thickheaded people think we should just sit and be okay with whatever they throw in our face.

Do you know what takes no backbone? Sitting passively, buying up products from publishers that absolutely loathe the consumer. Do you know what having a backbone means? Sticking it to the people that release a game several days later than when it should have, releasing tons of DLC and forcing DRM down your throat.

So **** you for thinking you're the good guy in this deal, when you're just sitting there, sucking on the bones that EA throws at you.

Yeah, because there first was DRM and then because of DRM pirating started. In your universe that is obviously not the same as everyone else lives in. People pirated games when there wasn't even any registry. The companies are since the first PC games busy to try to avoid pirating. DRM exists because of pirates, not the other way round. If all people were honest, life would be alot easier for everyone. It's a simple fact of life. Pirates never achieved anything but making things worse for everyone. Well aside from themselves, because they can play all games for free and without trouble, no? Very convenient.

And yet DRM doesn't stop pirates any bit, but only serves to annoy the customers. DRM did indeed start because of pirates, but has it served any purpose whatsoever? No.

And how exactly did pirates make life worse for anyone? The only thing that have made the life worse for anyone would be the knee-jerk reactions of publishers and developers, who, by now, have made life a living hell for any legit customer.

DRM actually does prevent most cases of private copying, for instance Pete down the block can't just borrow your Mass Effect 2 copy and do a copy with a DVD burner.

Who borrows and burns a copy from someone? That was standard practice 10 years ago, lol

[the almighty moo]

its something to do with making it compatable with pal and ntsc. well thats what it was like when most games used to come from japan and nearly took six months to reach europe

[young fox]

AlexXIV wrote...

su66otnik wrote...
No. Piracy is just forcing developers and publishers to get with the times. We live in an age of digital distribution, where ease of access should be incredibly simple, yet these thickheaded people think we should just sit and be okay with whatever they throw in our face.

Do you know what takes no backbone? Sitting passively, buying up products from publishers that absolutely loathe the consumer. Do you know what having a backbone means? Sticking it to the people that release a game several days later than when it should have, releasing tons of DLC and forcing DRM down your throat.

So **** you for thinking you're the good guy in this deal, when you're just sitting there, sucking on the bones that EA throws at you.

Yeah, because there first was DRM and then because of DRM pirating started. In your universe that is obviously not the same as everyone else lives in. People pirated games when there wasn't even any registry. The companies are since the first PC games busy to try to avoid pirating. DRM exists because of pirates, not the other way round. If all people were honest, life would be alot easier for everyone. It's a simple fact of life. Pirates never achieved anything but making things worse for everyone. Well aside from themselves, because they can play all games for free and without trouble, no? Very convenient.

Of course DRM sprung to life because of pirates. I'm not claiming otherwise. If you honestly think that DRM doesn't push people to piracy, you're the delusional. People are boycotting Ubisoft left and right, in case you haven't noticed, solely for their idiotic DRM scheme, which hurts legit users.

And yes, pirates have it easier. Hence me saying that it's also a problem of convenience. It's why Steam has gained such a market, because it's easier than it is to pirate a game.

Thirdly, pirates aren't making life worse for anyone, except publishers and developers. What are making the lives of gamers a living hell are gaming companies that refuse to get with the times.

[levicki]

kongenial wrote...

levicki wrote...

I for one welcome our socialist overlords ;-)

levicki wrote...

Joking aside, it also shows how Origin is self-proclaimed elitism.

You will at least get the game on Mar 9th, I can't even buy it here.

That is also shown by the fact, that the digital version of ME3 in the Origin store is actually more expensive than the physical edition sold by other retailers.

Yes that it really weird. You were the one from Serbia, correct? Will you not be able to buy the game in a regular store and then activate it (because I would assume that the release date check would correlate with maybe Russia) or are you just not able to buy it through Origin?

Yes, that's me.

I am not able to buy it through Origin, Amazon and GameStop (talking about digital versions).

I will be able to buy it in a store, but it will be late and expensive (think of USD == EUR prices).

All purchased PC games (physical and digital) can be installed but not played before release date because main executable is encrypted.

Release date for Serbia falls under EU release 2 category (all "other" countries unlock with EU2).

[levicki]

I want my old Bioware back

[miniy2j]

AlexXIV wrote...

miniy2j wrote...

I'm impatient.

And that's supposed to be a valid reason for pirating?

Why the hell should I have to wait when my friends are playing the game, do I have to not talk to them while they are all geeking out over a new release?  Should I avoid youtube like the plague when the game comes out, because people are uploading mass effect 3 videos and I don't want it to be ruined. It's like you're being teased  by all this amazing stuff that you're looking forward to, knowing that because of silly little industry practices with release dates in the movie industry as well, you have to wait a few more days. For no reason. Gamestop ireland has Mass effect 3 in their warehouse, they showed pictures of it. There is no reason why I can't have my copy by tuesday, but instead I have to wait for no real reason. When I could just as easily be playing the game when my friends are playing it.

I'm aware that this sounds entitled, but at the same time it's a valid point. There is no actual reason you can't do world launch days for big game titles, skyrim already proved that. You want to make a dent in piracy, give me the game the same day as everyone else gets it.

[Poison_Berrie]

Phoenixblight wrote...

I am talking about when the original date is created. THere is a lot of logistics created in order to make sure all orders are met on the official release date. The date is set and you will have to wait until the day comes. Deal with it. EA is not going to change a date that they have placed just because some people have no patience. GO do something. You know what the date of release was going to be 8 months ago, time to suck it up and deal. 

It still very easy to just not make a seperate release date for all manner of regions. That it might be costly to do it after the fact, does nothing for the initial decision to make localized release dates.

It's either an outdated practice that depends on some now obsolete limitation or it's a bussiness practice that somehow that helps with how the sales look in the books.
I'm hoping for them it's the latter, since the former means the company is inflexible and can't get with the times or doesn't see an oppertunity if it hits them.

[miniy2j]

Phoenixblight wrote...

ToastyFresh wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

ToastyFresh wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

miniy2j wrote...

I'm impatient.

And that's supposed to be a valid reason for pirating?

Doesn't really matter. The point is that poor decisions and distribution on EA's part will likely lead to someone pirating the game and then cutting them out of a sale.

People pirate things for their own reasons and they attempt to justify it. They are wrong. It just as previous poster has said its like stealing something because you don't want to deal with the hassle of going through the cashier. 

You're not listening. Whether it is justified or not it, that guy who says he is impatient has pirated the game as a direct result of EA bringing in staggered release dates.

Oh I read, it still doesn't justify his actions. THis is how things have been done since video games were in their infancy. All media gets released on a certain day because of distributation and DIgital distributation has to follow the same rules because otherwise it gives a huge advantage over the brick and mortar stores like walmart and gamestop which publishers can't yet remove from the formula because they have a large majority of the sales with these media types. In the future when games are all digital they can release them when they want but we have yet to cross that line. 
This is just an example of entitled babies who have no patience. 

Entitled babies, I bought the game. As in I pre-ordered it paid for my purchase in full and while my game was just sitting in the store storage or what have you being held hostage due to a much later release date. I got impatient and downloaded DAII before I could get my hands on actual hard copy of the game. This isn't me advocating what I did, or saying hah hah I torrented the game and then didn't actually buy a copy of the game. I'm saying that I had paid for a bloody game, due to silly little restrictions my game was being held hostage. I downloaded a cracked copy of the game and started my playthrough. Got the game in my hands installed it and registered it continued my playthrough. Guess what I supported bioware even though I had a chance to totally cancel my pre-order and get a full refund from what was a crappy game. Right now I have a fully paid for CE of ME3 which is now sitting in storage at a Gamestop warehouse.  The sole reason I haven't bothered to repeat the process is because

1) it isn't launch day.
2) I simply don't have time to play it in the week because I promised my girlfriend I'd spend time with her before I became a hermit for the weekend. If only because she's got the week off and she loathes it when I get all geek gamer on her and ignore her.

Nowhere did I say I deserve to play the game for free, I specifically said that I bought a copy of DAII. What I have an issue with and what many people have an issue with is that the brick and motar stores have the ability most of the time to have the game out on the same day world wide. Like I stated before Gamestop ireland has the game in it's warehouse, it's been there since Friday. There is no reason that I can't purchase the game on Tuesday other than a silly little industry practice. So no I'm not advocating not paying for the game, I'm telling EA to do what Skyrim did and have world launch days for their biggest titles. It'll cut down on it's piracy.

I am not a leech on society, just an annoyed gamer who has to deal with silly little launch dates.

[levicki]

@Phoenixblight:

Last time I checked, digital distribution was meant to have an advantage over brick and mortar stores.

Furthermore, if someone pre-ordered the game (i.e. paid well in advance to ascertain and expedite goods delivery) then it is their right to have it before those who buy the game on or after release date.

Steam digital distribution has already shown us that it is possible to launch everywhere on a same day. It is only EA (with SWTOR first, and now with Mass Effect 3) that is pursuing regional (staggered) launch which reminds me too much of Sony tactics.

Lets face it, pre-order, instead of being a way to also benefit consumers is again used just as a tool to benefit only publishers. They can gauge the interest and calculate how much discs to press and how much to stock at which retail outlet, and all that while having our money in advance. Sheep are for fleecing, it's as simple as that.

Modifié par levicki, 04 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[BadgerladDK]

I'm all for people wanting to sync up release dates, but by the dread lord Cthulhu: Make it fridays, then. Having almost a full week of work before you can set aside a large block of time to play new games would be much more cruel than not physically having the game.

[levicki]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I'm all for people wanting to sync up release dates, but by the dread lord Cthulhu: Make it fridays, then. Having almost a full week of work before you can set aside a large block of time to play new games would be much more cruel than not physically having the game.

You can place your digital order or visit a store on friday and that is when you are going to play it, no point in limiting the rest of us.

[SuddenlyPhoenix]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

How many times do people have to say that it's an industry-wide practice not limited to mean old BW/EA?

As for the piracy thing: I live in Hawaii (which is part of the U.S.), and being in the islands means I can get games a few days (or even a week-plus) after the NA release date unless I cough up extra $$ for super-fast shipping. Having to wait three bloody days longer than other people is a pathetic excuse for pirating any game.

some Games are released excess 3-7 Months before hand
latest example MGS 3

so its not really always 3 days

[BadgerladDK]

levicki wrote...

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I'm all for people wanting to sync up release dates, but by the dread lord Cthulhu: Make it fridays, then. Having almost a full week of work before you can set aside a large block of time to play new games would be much more cruel than not physically having the game.

You can place your digital order or visit a store on friday and that is when you are going to play it, no point in limiting the rest of us.

Huh, who said anything about limiting anything for anyone? It can pretty much be taken for granted that it's far too late in the game for ME3 release date to change anywhere, so any changes would be for future games. So if games are released on fridays everywhere, and assuming weekends are prime gaming hours for most people, remind me again who are being limited in this scheme?