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[mxfox408]

if you want to talk about stuff and bash the developers do it here www.escapistmagazine.com

Modifié par mxfox408, 04 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[KMYash]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

delamer2 wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...
Instead of just allowing us to choose the options the Guardian gives us, why not add a DLC for a "None of the above" choice? That's the most classically human choice of all. I choose not to choose, I choose to go my own way. Fight the Reapers, ship to ship, shot for shot, until the bitter end. We can win this way, as evidenced by the success of Sword and Hammer. The sacrifices would be massive, but we could finally and completely leave the path forced on us by the Reapers.
Think about it, how is choosing only what we are told to choose (by a Reaper, no less) any significant divergence from the cycle? Some would argue that the destruction of the relays is how we leave the path they wish us to take, but I remain unconvinced. After all, we ultimately do as we are told, regardless of the outcome. If Shepard were to defy the Guardian, would that not be more indepedent? Would that not, once and for all, prove that we are not their puppets?
Andrew Ryan: "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
There are logical fallacies in my idea, so others can chime in and critique it as they wish. Fire away! 

My respect, I can't say better.

This so much

Reminds me of the talk you can have with Legion after deciding to blow up the Collector base. He says that Shep chose to shape his own future even though they could have been given/taken the Collector technology. The 'true' Geth are considered good because they choose to make their own path while the heretics are considered bad because they are looking for the Reapers to give them what they want.

[Comrade Goby]

mxfox408 wrote...

if you want to talk about stuff and bash the developers do it here www.escapistmagazine.com

Oh man Yahtzee is gonna have a field day with this one

[mxfox408]

www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.352490-Bioware-forums-explode-as-Mass-Effect-3-ending-details-are-leaked-MINOR-SPOILERS

[mxfox408]

Comrade Goby wrote...

mxfox408 wrote...

if you want to talk about stuff and bash the developers do it here www.escapistmagazine.com

Oh man Yahtzee is gonna have a field day with this one

YEah bioware totally dropped the ball with this game........they royally screwed us over in the final chapter of one of the best series i had ever enjoyed. thanx bioware for making a series build up to this game just to screw us over. It seems they put more work on the multiplayer section then focus on the actual story section.

[kellyofthemagi]

After reading these quotes the Dev's made I will have lost respect for BW unless these so called endings are rectified. I have never seen so many people in different threads so angry and feeling decieved.

[delamer2]

Comrade Goby wrote...
To quote an infinitely better game 
"The cannot stop us, they cannot stop the future" 
Why keep locking the truth Bioware?

This battle we have lost. Throughout the game, we are only postponing our captivity. Even the destruction of Reapers does not guarantee victory, it is not known how many of them remained in the deep space.

[Edrick1976]

It does not matter how pissed off people get on the FORMS because MOST people dont come on the FORMS and read up on stuff like this, they just buy the game and thats how EA wants it.

[kellyofthemagi]

Maybe your right. How many people do you know that are gamers? People talk. All I can say is word of mouth can be deafening.

[MythicLegands]

Edington wrote...

It does not matter how pissed off people get on the FORMS because MOST people dont come on the FORMS and read up on stuff like this, they just buy the game and thats how EA wants it.

Yeah and when they don't like it they tell their friends not to buy it.

[Edrick1976]

I wonder if the reason they added multiplayer to the game was because... How could their be any kind of DLC for this game when then ending's are so BAD....

As much as I hate to say this the ONLY way EA is going to learn is that people DONT BUY THIS GAME OR THEIR DLC's, but I cant even say I am not going to because I have spent a LOT of hours playing this game and I have 5 play throughts starting from the first ME game all the way throought ME2 and I will be DAM if I let EA/Bioware make all that game time in vain....

Even if all the ending's make me want to go on prozac or some other sort of anti-depressent.

Edit: You know after reading my own post maybe I should just quit while I am ahead (so to speak). Why would I want to wast more time in a game that I KNOW  I will not like the ennding to and I should just save my time and money...

Modifié par Edington, 04 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[MythicLegands]

Edington wrote...

I wonder if the reason they added multiplayer to the game was because... How could their be any kind of DLC for this game when then ending's are so BAD....

As much as I hate to say this the ONLY way EA is going to learn is that people DONT BUY THIS GAME OR THEIR DLC's, but I cant even say I am not going to because I have spent a LOT of hours playing this game and I have 5 play throughts starting from the first ME game all the way throought ME2 and I will be DAM if I let EA/Bioware make all that game time in vain....

Even if all the ending's make me want to go on prozac or some other sort of anti-depressent.

Edit: You know after reading my own post maybe I should just quit while I am ahead (so to speak). Why would I want to wast more time in a game that I KNOW  I will not like the ennding to and I should just save my time and money...

Buy it used, that way you get to play it and EA gets no money it's a win win situation.

[AztecChieftain]

Great response Atomica.

[MouseNo4]

Oh no a negative opinion! Better lock this thread quick before it spreads!

[CommanderCoffee]

Comrade Goby wrote...

mxfox408 wrote...

if you want to talk about stuff and bash the developers do it here www.escapistmagazine.com

Oh man Yahtzee is gonna have a field day with this one

Yahtzee's a damn hack. He should've never taken the Escapist contract. Used to be a good indie dev, and now he's stuck swearing into a mic once a week.

[MrAtomica]

KMYash wrote...

Reminds me of the talk you can have with Legion after deciding to blow up the Collector base. He says that Shep chose to shape his own future even though they could have been given/taken the Collector technology. The 'true' Geth are considered good because they choose to make their own path while the heretics are considered bad because they are looking for the Reapers to give them what they want.

This is a good point.

Free will is, of course, a vital point of being alive. This is what irks me about the Guardian's "choices"; in reality, there is no choice at all. I am being told that I must obey the will of a computer program disgusied as a small child, who openly admits that he has been, and would still, exterminate all sentient life as soon as it reached a certain point of technological advancement. Again, I felt that this whole pseudodecision was a throwback to a "Would you kindly?" situation. "Would you kindly do what I say?"

This is not how my Shepard would see things come to their conclusion. I can accept that the decisions offered by the Guardian are at least satisfactory, but they should not be the only choices. Deus Ex, which the endings are obviously based on, offered an ending that defied being forced to follow another's direction.

Honestly, I feel like each of the options are utterly injust in the context of the larger galaxy. Does Shepard really have the right to chart the course of the future by destroying the relays and eliminating tech, or by combining organics and synthetics? Do the Reapers? Going back to Deus Ex, the free will choice was essentially an agreement to trust the world (galaxy in this case) to come out better in the end. Maybe it hits Tech Singularity in the near future, maybe not. But the point is that if we do, it was our choices that brought us there. Let the Guardian keep his glorious "solution", the free people's of the galaxy bow to no one. He can rot on his throne for all I care.

I suspect that the endings would have been less offensive if there were some indication that Shepard's actions chaned things for the better. When Jack killed Ryan and Fontaine, he released himself from their control. When Jensen destroyed Panchea, he freed the world from the chains wrapped around them by a few powerful people working to maintain the status quo (in violently different ways). Shepard merely makes a decision, and then the fallout is left to the imagination. The epilogue would have been stronger if it were handled more like the games that the endings borrowed from. Hell, even Dragon Age 2 had a more fitting epilogue.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 04 mars 2012 - 03:24 .