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[SarEnyaDor]

That's funny, I told the girl praying to be relieved of her magic to go and ask for a magical lobotomy.....

[The Angry One]

Riona45 wrote...

I was POed because, in my opinion, it was pretty obvious that Lily was as shocked as anyone, and yet the templars still decided to treat her as if she DID know Jowan was a blood mage (not that First Enchanter Irving lifted a finger over her either).

And Lily wasn't even a mage, she was Chantry initiate.  Wow, they treat their own so well.

If you go the route of telling Irving about Jowan's plan, he'll tell you that he wants Lily to take the fall as much as Jowan precisely because she's a member of the Chantry.
He's sick and tired of mages getting severely punished for infractions while Chantry members walk away scott free, so clearly he influenced Graegor into giving Lily the harshest punishment available for her part in it.

[Daralii]

Taleroth wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

My first time through as a mage I helped Jowan, and I felt sucker-punched when he WAS a blood mage. I don't remember reading a codex about the mage's prision, but my mind went to Azkaban and I felt bad for Lily, too. She could have been conscripted.

So what if he was a Blood Mage?  My first playthrough was as a Mage and I still stand by freeing him as the right choice.  He wasn't using Blood Magic to hurt anyone.  He loved Lily.  He doesn't deserve a lobotomy.

Fly free, my friend.  Fly free.

Like Lily said, blood magic changes people, it was only a matter of time before the scope of his power hit him and he was utterly corrupted, if not by demons, then by himself.


On topic though, Alistair not letting me sacrifice myself killing the Archdemon- aside from the fact that he's one of the characters I liked the most and my romance interest on the first playthrough, it killed me when Anora got to take the throne.

[Kinaori]

I'm on my second playthrough and I feel bad for siding with Bhelen this time. Even though I know it turns out better... ends justify the means, ugh, no thanks.

[Taleroth]

Daralii wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

My first time through as a mage I helped Jowan, and I felt sucker-punched when he WAS a blood mage. I don't remember reading a codex about the mage's prision, but my mind went to Azkaban and I felt bad for Lily, too. She could have been conscripted.

So what if he was a Blood Mage?  My first playthrough was as a Mage and I still stand by freeing him as the right choice.  He wasn't using Blood Magic to hurt anyone.  He loved Lily.  He doesn't deserve a lobotomy.

Fly free, my friend.  Fly free.

Like Lily said, blood magic changes people, it was only a matter of time before the scope of his power hit him and he was utterly corrupted, if not by demons, then by himself.

poppycock.  I wouldn't take Lily's word on the dangers of Blood Magic to be definitive.  Jowan was a good person, he never displays otherwise.  He makes a mistake later, but he does so for good reasons and tries to correct it.

Many people claim the exact same of all Mages, you should note.  Especially the Chantry, of which Lily is a member.

Modifié par Taleroth, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:23 .

[Dunhart]

I played as a sucker for goodness on both of my playthroughs, I just can't bring myself to be evil.

I suppose the only regret was killing Anora's father and sticking her into a tower because I wanted to see the queen ending with my female character. I'm probably going to end up going back on that, too.

Modifié par Dunhart, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:28 .

[tmp7704]

Connor's mother taking his life when she realized there's no saving him.



Leliana at the end parting to see Marjolaine and then no mention of her whatsoever in the closing blurbs.

[RunCDFirst]

Taleroth wrote...
poppycock.  I wouldn't take Lily's word on the dangers of Blood Magic to be definitive.  Jowan was a good person, he never displays otherwise.  He makes a mistake later, but he does so for good reasons and tries to correct it.

Many people claim the exact same of all Mages, you should note.  Especially the Chantry, of which Lily is a member.

You specced into Blood Mage, didn't you. 
Blood magic is 'inherently' bad because it brings the mage into direct contact with demons. Mages who lack the will to resist these demons will inevitably fall to their corruption and become abominations. I think it's established pretty well that Jowan's will is not very strong.
Enjoy being a Tranquil!

[bambooxfox]

The first time I went to Honnleath Village, I flat out refused to help Kitty in the basement. Then I noticed the puzzle behind her. Being curious and just a little stupid, I went ahead and solved it to see what it would do. To my horror, Kitty's seal was released. I went back to the little girl's father to consult with him, but then to my even greater horror, he went and chased after his little girl. Stupid, stupid man. I knew by that point that things would end very badly, but I followed him anyway. When I found out that Kitty had possessed him and was thanking me for it with the smuggest expression ever, the devastated look on my character's face had my stomach in knots. I attacked. Revenge didn't feel nearly good enough, so I reloaded. >.>



On my "evil" character playthrough, Isolde's pleading with me not to kill her son was hard to listen to. I felt like a great big jerk.

[The Angry One]

RunCDFirst wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
poppycock.  I wouldn't take Lily's word on the dangers of Blood Magic to be definitive.  Jowan was a good person, he never displays otherwise.  He makes a mistake later, but he does so for good reasons and tries to correct it.

Many people claim the exact same of all Mages, you should note.  Especially the Chantry, of which Lily is a member.

You specced into Blood Mage, didn't you. 
Blood magic is 'inherently' bad because it brings the mage into direct contact with demons. Mages who lack the will to resist these demons will inevitably fall to their corruption and become abominations. I think it's established pretty well that Jowan's will is not very strong.
Enjoy being a Tranquil!

Yeah like Avernus... o wate no lol. 200 years and no abominationing yet!
More to the point the "lack of will" applies to *any* mage, any mage at all. Jowan actually has a very strong will. He knows what he wants and he's willing to fight for it, later on he knows he's caused the whole mess in Redcliff and refuses to leave until he sets it right. That is NOT lacking in will.
Jowan's major failing is he's terribly unlucky, and doesn't consider the consequences of his actions.

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:37 .

[Taleroth]

RunCDFirst wrote...
You specced into Blood Mage, didn't you. 
Blood magic is 'inherently' bad because it brings the mage into direct contact with demons. Mages who lack the will to resist these demons will inevitably fall to their corruption and become abominations. I think it's established pretty well that Jowan's will is not very strong.
Enjoy being a Tranquil!

I did my first run, but I was being half-dickish.  We can't be entirely certain that Blood Magic is only taught by consorting with demons.  Yes, the description of the spec says they teach it, but that's also claimed of Reaver, and it's taught by men.

Jowan showed no sign of possession.  It would be unethical to lobotomize someone because you think they'll do something bad later.  Unless it's Hitler as a baby and you have a time machine.

[Riona45]

The Angry One wrote...

If you go the route of telling Irving about Jowan's plan, he'll tell you that he wants Lily to take the fall as much as Jowan precisely because she's a member of the Chantry.
He's sick and tired of mages getting severely punished for infractions while Chantry members walk away scott free, so clearly he influenced Graegor into giving Lily the harshest punishment available for her part in it.

I still think it was wrong, though.  Lily seemed like a nice girl to me and didn't deserved to be used to make a point, whether the point was being made by the Chantry, Irving, both, whatever.

[tanglefoot79]

bambooxfox wrote...

The first time I went to Honnleath Village, I flat out refused to help Kitty in the basement. Then I noticed the puzzle behind her. Being curious and just a little stupid, I went ahead and solved it to see what it would do. To my horror, Kitty's seal was released. I went back to the little girl's father to consult with him, but then to my even greater horror, he went and chased after his little girl. Stupid, stupid man. I knew by that point that things would end very badly, but I followed him anyway. When I found out that Kitty had possessed him and was thanking me for it with the smuggest expression ever, the devastated look on my character's face had my stomach in knots. I attacked. Revenge didn't feel nearly good enough, so I reloaded. >.>

On my "evil" character playthrough, Isolde's pleading with me not to kill her son was hard to listen to. I felt like a great big jerk.

I bungled the conversation with Kitty and she possesed the girl and attacked me. The following conversation with her father was gut wrenching. I reloaded.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nothing made me feel bad except for Morrigan leaving right after the final battle, with my unborn child.

I even killed Connor even though all possibilities for saving him was suggested (It just seemed the fastest way). I persuaded a dwarven ex-noble to leave her baby in the Deep Roads. I intimidated priestesses and bullied kids, but nothing struck me, except for Morrigan leaving me :'(

[Riona45]

I thought Kitty all by herself was disturbing...

Modifié par Riona45, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:46 .

[Herr Uhl]

RunCDFirst wrote...
Blood magic is 'inherently' bad because it brings the mage into direct contact with demons. Mages who lack the will to resist these demons will inevitably fall to their corruption and become abominations. I think it's established pretty well that Jowan's will is not very strong.
Enjoy being a Tranquil!

The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

[RunCDFirst]

Taleroth wrote...
I did my first run, but I was being half-dickish.  We can't be entirely certain that Blood Magic is only taught by consorting with demons.  Yes, the description of the spec says they teach it, but that's also claimed of Reaver, and it's taught by men.

Jowan showed no sign of possession.  It would be unethical to lobotomize someone because you think they'll do something bad later.  Unless it's Hitler as a baby and you have a time machine.

Eh, it was more for him putting my life in danger because he wouldn't be honest with me. If he had told me upfront that he was trying to escape because he was a blood mage, things may have been different. 

Herr Uhl wrote...
The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

Isn't blood magic illegal in Tevinter as well?

Modifié par RunCDFirst, 25 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[supakillaii]

Nnnooooo.... The Head Magis there use it... at least I think so.

[Herr Uhl]

RunCDFirst wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

Isn't blood magic illegal in Tevinter as well?

NOW, yes, not during the days of the imperium. And demons were around then also.

[mysticforce42]

RunCDFirst wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
I did my first run, but I was being half-dickish.  We can't be entirely certain that Blood Magic is only taught by consorting with demons.  Yes, the description of the spec says they teach it, but that's also claimed of Reaver, and it's taught by men.

Jowan showed no sign of possession.  It would be unethical to lobotomize someone because you think they'll do something bad later.  Unless it's Hitler as a baby and you have a time machine.

Eh, it was more for him putting my life in danger because he wouldn't be honest with me. If he had told me upfront that he was trying to escape because he was a blood mage, things may have been different. 

Herr Uhl wrote...
The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

Isn't blood magic illegal in Tevinter as well?

It definately was not illegal, at least before the Chantry got there.

[Valmy]

mysticforce42 wrote...

I almost took the 40 soveriegns playing a female City Elf 

So did I...I was like 'wow that's alot of money!'...but then I was like 'duh there is no way you can trust this dude to follow through with his side of the bargain' and killed him.

[Herr Uhl]

Taleroth wrote...
Jowan showed no sign of possession.  It would be unethical to lobotomize someone because you think they'll do something bad later.  Unless it's Hitler as a baby and you have a time machine.

No, that would trigger the Soviet union taking over the greater part of Eurasia, as shown in the Red Alert games.

[RunCDFirst]

Herr Uhl wrote...

RunCDFirst wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

Isn't blood magic illegal in Tevinter as well?

NOW, yes, not during the days of the imperium. And demons were around then also.

True, but when it was legal, they did kill Andraste and break into the Golden City... talk about needing a reload.

[Valmy]

Riona45 wrote...

Watching Lily submit to being taken to Aeonar and saying "I was an accomplice to a blood mage" even though she had no idea Jowan was a blood mage (I tried to defend her on that point). That wasn't my PC's fault, but it still made me feel bad and even angry.

Um....he was going to become a tranquil because he was suspected of being a Blood Mage.  He denied it and Lily believed him and broke the laws of the Chantry.  I have some sympathy she was blinded by love but it is false that she had no idea.  I knew instantly he was lying that is why I went to First Enchanter Irving and agreed to spy on them for him.

[mysticforce42]

RunCDFirst wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

RunCDFirst wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
The reason that blood magic is considered bad is not the demons, it is the fact that you can control people with it. It was originally taught by demons, just like magic is considered to be originally taught by the old gods.

They will not inevitably become abominations, if it was so the Tevinter Imperium wouldn't have lasted very long.

Isn't blood magic illegal in Tevinter as well?

NOW, yes, not during the days of the imperium. And demons were around then also.

True, but when it was legal, they did kill Andraste and break into the Golden City... talk about needing a reload.

That's what the Chantry wants you to believe.  How much of that is true is, well, rather debatable.