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[Cicero.me]

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

OK, now you're just making crap up. 

hey That's what I thought at first but it's true.

Maybe ,but if you omitt details like you did then of course it won't make sense.

[Warhawk137]

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

OK, now you're just making crap up. 

hey That's what I thought at first but it's true.

No, it's not...

[Juniper Mucius]

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

[Aesieru]

I am curious about its future, but I wonder what it will be.

[Cicero.me]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

[Warhawk137]

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

FWIW, the codex says the comm buoys, which the various citadel races built, by the way, are basically miniature mass relays.

[Juniper Mucius]

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

Never read his stuff.  Everyone tells me to, but man that setting sounds boring.  (And I also boycott him since he doesn't think I should have any rights.)

[Juniper Mucius]

Warhawk137 wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

FWIW, the codex says the comm buoys, which the various citadel races built, by the way, are basically miniature mass relays.

Interesting.  Those shouldn't have been destroyed then.  And if they are like "miniature mass relays", it's possible they could create a new network of relays to transport ships.  It's not unfeasible.

[Warhawk137]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

FWIW, the codex says the comm buoys, which the various citadel races built, by the way, are basically miniature mass relays.

Interesting.  Those shouldn't have been destroyed then.  And if they are like "miniature mass relays", it's possible they could create a new network of relays to transport ships.  It's not unfeasible.

Sure.

Here's what the codex specifically says (the first half of it anyway), credit to the wiki:

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each
mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive,
miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on
another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space.
Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL
space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on
the network. The networks connect across regions by communications
lasers through the mass relays.

So they'd probably still need a relay, but if they could do what the Protheans did and build a small-scale one, at least instantaneous interstellar communication could be restored fairly easily.

[ediskrad327]

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Bioware pretty much Nuked the universe, to quote harbinger "potential wasted"

Read my above posts... the universe isn't really all that screwed...

The complaints about the Normandy thing I get, but the relay thing isn't really so bad when you think about it.

No they essentially rebooted the universe if they want to continue the franchise, all the technology all those worlds, GONE
so the can have their genric sci fi MMO.

Wait, what?  What worlds are gone?  There are no worlds gone.  The relays and synthetic life are destroyed, that doesn't mean we're back to using bows and frickin' arrows.

The relays went supernova except earths because space magic, and all the mass effect technology broke..somehow.

you know...that would have been a perfect EPIC FAIL ending, the crucible is not finished so instead of sending energy thru the Relays they go supernova and destroy the Galaxy and both the Reapers and Shepard are destroyed



the end

[Cicero.me]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

Never read his stuff.  Everyone tells me to, but man that setting sounds boring.  (And I also boycott him since he doesn't think I should have any rights.)

Maybe I lack conviction ,but I really do not care about Card's personal views. I have never kept my loathing of some artists from enjoying their works. I am looking at you pop artists. However, the setting is quite good and well written and developed. (in my humble opinion) Many Sci fi works borrow heavily from it.

Oh. I do not claim to know exactly what he is against regarding a certain segment of the population ,but the whole debate to me seems unecessary from both sides. This coming from minority member as well.

P.S. No offence due to ignorance is intended of course.

[Warhawk137]

ediskrad327 wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Bioware pretty much Nuked the universe, to quote harbinger "potential wasted"

Read my above posts... the universe isn't really all that screwed...

The complaints about the Normandy thing I get, but the relay thing isn't really so bad when you think about it.

No they essentially rebooted the universe if they want to continue the franchise, all the technology all those worlds, GONE
so the can have their genric sci fi MMO.

Wait, what?  What worlds are gone?  There are no worlds gone.  The relays and synthetic life are destroyed, that doesn't mean we're back to using bows and frickin' arrows.

The relays went supernova except earths because space magic, and all the mass effect technology broke..somehow.

you know...that would have been a perfect EPIC FAIL ending, the crucible is not finished so instead of sending energy thru the Relays they go supernova and destroy the Galaxy and both the Reapers and Shepard are destroyed



the end

lol... pretty spiteful too.  Then again, not every system has a relay.  So it would wipe out all the home worlds, probably, and a lot of the colonies, but any colony that doesn't have a relay in its system, but relies on a system in the near vicinity, would probably be OK.

[Juniper Mucius]

Warhawk137 wrote...

Sure.

Here's what the codex specifically says (the first half of it anyway), credit to the wiki:

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each
mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive,
miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on
another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space.
Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL
space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on
the network. The networks connect across regions by communications
lasers through the mass relays.

So they'd probably still need a relay, but if they could do what the Protheans did and build a small-scale one, at least instantaneous interstellar communication could be restored fairly easily.

The Conduit was able to send an entire army as well as the Mako through.  It's quite possible that if, somehow, they were able to build Conduits, they could send ships about the size of Normandy through.  It wouldn't be much, but it could atleast start some sort of intercluster trade.

[Jacy Pane]

Elegana wrote...

To me, ME3 marks the end of the Mass Effect universe. Doesn't feel the same without Shepard, honestly.

Agreed.  It saddens me a bit to know this will be the last chapter in Shepard's story.

[Warhawk137]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

Sure.

Here's what the codex specifically says (the first half of it anyway), credit to the wiki:

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each
mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive,
miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on
another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space.
Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL
space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on
the network. The networks connect across regions by communications
lasers through the mass relays.

So they'd probably still need a relay, but if they could do what the Protheans did and build a small-scale one, at least instantaneous interstellar communication could be restored fairly easily.

The Conduit was able to send an entire army as well as the Mako through.  It's quite possible that if, somehow, they were able to build Conduits, they could send ships about the size of Normandy through.  It wouldn't be much, but it could atleast start some sort of intercluster trade.

Since Ilos is a rather long ways away from the Citadel, I'm not sure distance matters as much as the mass of the object being sent.  And as far as sending an army through, that's a lot of mass sequentially, rather than at once.  The Mako was pretty small compared to the Normandy... still, a conduit-sized relay on a planet could at least function more-or-less as a "stargate," to rip off a term from another good sci-fi universe.

[Juniper Mucius]

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

Never read his stuff.  Everyone tells me to, but man that setting sounds boring.  (And I also boycott him since he doesn't think I should have any rights.)

Maybe I lack conviction ,but I really do not care about Card's personal views. I have never kept my loathing of some artists from enjoying their works. I am looking at you pop artists. However, the setting is quite good and well written and developed. (in my humble opinion) Many Sci fi works borrow heavily from it.

Oh. I do not claim to know exactly what he is against regarding a certain segment of the population ,but the whole debate to me seems unecessary from both sides. This coming from minority member as well.

P.S. No offence due to ignorance is intended of course.

It's cool.  He is very anti-homosexual.  Friends of mine give me dren all the time because I don't read his stuff because of his views on the LGBT community.  Honestly, that's half of it.  For starters, he quite frankly ruined Iron Man.  Ultimate Iron Man was some of the biggest comic garbage I have read.  And I have read *a lot*.  Also, when it comes to interstellar dramas, I prefer FTL technology.  The whole "near-light-speed" thing just sounds boring to me.  That's my own preference though, and I don't fault others for enjoying it.  When it comes to my science-fiction, I generally prefer quick travel.  The only time I've not cared was Firefly, and that's because that setting sounds epic awesome.

[Warhawk137]

Jacy Pane wrote...

Elegana wrote...

To me, ME3 marks the end of the Mass Effect universe. Doesn't feel the same without Shepard, honestly.

Agreed.  It saddens me a bit to know this will be the last chapter in Shepard's story.

Everybody's part in the greater story ends sometime, and is left to other people to continue.  At some point, we all watch the world pass us by.  Read Lord of the Rings.  It's kind of the central point.

It may be sad that we have to part with Shepard (of course, I wouldn't complain if he comes back in an Anderson-esque role in a sequel), but there are plenty more stories waiting to be told in that universe.

[Juniper Mucius]

Warhawk137 wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

Sure.

Here's what the codex specifically says (the first half of it anyway), credit to the wiki:

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each
mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive,
miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on
another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space.
Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL
space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on
the network. The networks connect across regions by communications
lasers through the mass relays.

So they'd probably still need a relay, but if they could do what the Protheans did and build a small-scale one, at least instantaneous interstellar communication could be restored fairly easily.

The Conduit was able to send an entire army as well as the Mako through.  It's quite possible that if, somehow, they were able to build Conduits, they could send ships about the size of Normandy through.  It wouldn't be much, but it could atleast start some sort of intercluster trade.

Since Ilos is a rather long ways away from the Citadel, I'm not sure distance matters as much as the mass of the object being sent.  And as far as sending an army through, that's a lot of mass sequentially, rather than at once.  The Mako was pretty small compared to the Normandy... still, a conduit-sized relay on a planet could at least function more-or-less as a "stargate," to rip off a term from another good sci-fi universe.

That'd be interesting, but you'd have to have lots of Conduits for that to really work.  With a stargate, you can dial specific planets, and travel to any planent.  The mass relays seem to only function on going to one or specific relays?  I guess you could have it set up so that the Conduits are set up on "cluster hubs" or something like that.  Like capitols of clusters.

It's an interesting idea.  And mixing my favorite science-fiction series with my favorite science-fiction game...never hurts.  Part of the reason I never change Sheploo's name from "John".  If I could just have them call me "Major" or "Colonel", I'd be a very happy geek.

[Cicero.me]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

Never read his stuff.  Everyone tells me to, but man that setting sounds boring.  (And I also boycott him since he doesn't think I should have any rights.)

Maybe I lack conviction ,but I really do not care about Card's personal views. I have never kept my loathing of some artists from enjoying their works. I am looking at you pop artists. However, the setting is quite good and well written and developed. (in my humble opinion) Many Sci fi works borrow heavily from it.

Oh. I do not claim to know exactly what he is against regarding a certain segment of the population ,but the whole debate to me seems unecessary from both sides. This coming from minority member as well.

P.S. No offence due to ignorance is intended of course.

It's cool.  He is very anti-homosexual.  Friends of mine give me dren all the time because I don't read his stuff because of his views on the LGBT community.  Honestly, that's half of it.  For starters, he quite frankly ruined Iron Man.  Ultimate Iron Man was some of the biggest comic garbage I have read.  And I have read *a lot*.  Also, when it comes to interstellar dramas, I prefer FTL technology.  The whole "near-light-speed" thing just sounds boring to me.  That's my own preference though, and I don't fault others for enjoying it.  When it comes to my science-fiction, I generally prefer quick travel.  The only time I've not cared was Firefly, and that's because that setting sounds epic awesome.

Wrong. It is epic awesome. However it also borrows from Enderverse. 

The near ftl is merely a premise and the real attraction to the story is character developement. I cannot comment on Ultimate Iron Man ,but I have found in my experience that you may not think you will enjoy something; only to try it and thoroughly get into it. Firefly was this way for me.

[Warhawk137]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

Sure.

Here's what the codex specifically says (the first half of it anyway), credit to the wiki:

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each
mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive,
miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on
another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space.
Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL
space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on
the network. The networks connect across regions by communications
lasers through the mass relays.

So they'd probably still need a relay, but if they could do what the Protheans did and build a small-scale one, at least instantaneous interstellar communication could be restored fairly easily.

The Conduit was able to send an entire army as well as the Mako through.  It's quite possible that if, somehow, they were able to build Conduits, they could send ships about the size of Normandy through.  It wouldn't be much, but it could atleast start some sort of intercluster trade.

Since Ilos is a rather long ways away from the Citadel, I'm not sure distance matters as much as the mass of the object being sent.  And as far as sending an army through, that's a lot of mass sequentially, rather than at once.  The Mako was pretty small compared to the Normandy... still, a conduit-sized relay on a planet could at least function more-or-less as a "stargate," to rip off a term from another good sci-fi universe.

That'd be interesting, but you'd have to have lots of Conduits for that to really work.  With a stargate, you can dial specific planets, and travel to any planent.  The mass relays seem to only function on going to one or specific relays?  I guess you could have it set up so that the Conduits are set up on "cluster hubs" or something like that.  Like capitols of clusters.

It's an interesting idea.  And mixing my favorite science-fiction series with my favorite science-fiction game...never hurts.  Part of the reason I never change Sheploo's name from "John".  If I could just have them call me "Major" or "Colonel", I'd be a very happy geek.

Some of the relays were 1:1, some were "universal" relays but with a shorter distance.

Either way you could set up clusters, as you said, and chains.

[SuperVulcan]

Yeah, it really bums me out, I am going to miss how they may never make anything like ME 1 or ME 2

[Warhawk137]

SuperVulcan wrote...

Yeah, it really bums me out, I am going to miss how they may never make anything like ME 1 or ME 2

I'm still sad that they never made a third Star Control game. 

[Cicero.me]

Warhawk137 wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Yeah, it really bums me out, I am going to miss how they may never make anything like ME 1 or ME 2

I'm still sad that they never made a third Star Control game. 

or Kotor game or Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights or even a second Jade Empire. Thats just from Bioware.
The list could go on.

[Juniper Mucius]

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

FTL still exists. I'm assuming even FTL communication exists. So they might not be able to get from cluster to cluster very quickly (at first), but the setting isn't going anywhere. It's just, for now, the clusters seem to be cut off from one another when it comes to travel.

Then they develope ansibles for their communication and can use philotes to translate themselves places instantly. Wait. Wrong universe.


As an aside if Ender commanded Earth's fleets. Would they be in this mess?

Never read his stuff.  Everyone tells me to, but man that setting sounds boring.  (And I also boycott him since he doesn't think I should have any rights.)

Maybe I lack conviction ,but I really do not care about Card's personal views. I have never kept my loathing of some artists from enjoying their works. I am looking at you pop artists. However, the setting is quite good and well written and developed. (in my humble opinion) Many Sci fi works borrow heavily from it.

Oh. I do not claim to know exactly what he is against regarding a certain segment of the population ,but the whole debate to me seems unecessary from both sides. This coming from minority member as well.

P.S. No offence due to ignorance is intended of course.

It's cool.  He is very anti-homosexual.  Friends of mine give me dren all the time because I don't read his stuff because of his views on the LGBT community.  Honestly, that's half of it.  For starters, he quite frankly ruined Iron Man.  Ultimate Iron Man was some of the biggest comic garbage I have read.  And I have read *a lot*.  Also, when it comes to interstellar dramas, I prefer FTL technology.  The whole "near-light-speed" thing just sounds boring to me.  That's my own preference though, and I don't fault others for enjoying it.  When it comes to my science-fiction, I generally prefer quick travel.  The only time I've not cared was Firefly, and that's because that setting sounds epic awesome.

Wrong. It is epic awesome. However it also borrows from Enderverse. 

The near ftl is merely a premise and the real attraction to the story is character developement. I cannot comment on Ultimate Iron Man ,but I have found in my experience that you may not think you will enjoy something; only to try it and thoroughly get into it. Firefly was this way for me.

Sorry, I do believe it is epic awesome.  The reason I said "sounds" epic awesome is because it sounds like a place in which I would like to live.  Mass planetary system.  Hundreds of moons and dozens of planents.  I want to live in that planetary system.

[Warhawk137]

Cicero.me wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Yeah, it really bums me out, I am going to miss how they may never make anything like ME 1 or ME 2

I'm still sad that they never made a third Star Control game. 

or Kotor game or Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights or even a second Jade Empire. Thats just from Bioware.
The list could go on.

lol, well that was a bit of a joke on my part... there IS a third Star Control game, but it was made by different people, retconned in its entirety by the original creators, and was so bloody awful that the trendy thing to do on the internet is to refer to the series as though only 2 games were made, and contemplate why they never made a third.