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[Querne]

First of all I love this game, perhaps more than is good for me, if you take a
look at the problems I´ve got now.

I´m playing through as city elf for the very first time now, romancing Alistair.

I spoilered myself accidently searching for something other and know now, that I
will have to let  Alistair sleep with Morrigan to save us both.

I..don´t want to.
Really, really don´t want!
Looking at my char talking to him I usually grine at the monitor because they act so lovely.
I also refused to "harden" him during Goldanna Quest because it would feel like
breaking his character to me.
I can live without becoming queen (I know I can play a noble next time, but
playing first time causes more emotions and it won´t be the same. I´m a little
bit sad, that there aren´t special options for the other  backgrounds), but
giving him to Morrigan tastes damned bitter.

I think it´s a little bit unfair towards girls, because guys romance either
Morrigan anyways or can fullfill the ritual without that Liliana knows (as far I
read in forums) wich is not the same
as "Please darling, be as nice and sleep with the aunt, I really don´t mind. May
I watch?"
Would be nice if the gamedesigner could consider next time, that women are
generally not very good in separating sex and love..but I think in RL most
people wouldn´t be very happy with this situation..

Otherwise I can´t let him die of course. I´m neither keen on dying myself.

Has anybody experimented with keeping Alistair in the party and getting Loghain
anyhow?
Is this really impossible? Really-really?
Can´t I preach about forgivingness for some decades till Alistair gets the clue or something like that?
That would allow to sacrifice Loghain instead.

Any other ideas?

I would quest to hell and back for a real happy ending btw..

Modifié par Querne, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:19 .

[Joie de Combat]

It is really, truly impossible to recruit Loghain and still keep Alistair in your party. No matter what you do, Alistair is never going to be able to accept making Loghain a Grey Warden.

[Nyaore]

It's not possible for you to stay with Alistair and still acquire Loghain as far as I know. From what I've heard from the people who own the official guides you need to pawn Alistair off on Anora after hardening his personality in order for him to even consider allowing Loghead to live. (Something that I've successfully done myself, but from what I understand that's the only way to keep both of them alive.) Which, or course, means your PC won't get a happy ending even if you both are alive in the end.
You could always look at Alistair's little tryst with Morrigan as little more than a necessary evil when it comes to keeping you together - even if it might doom the rest of the world later on.

Modifié par Nyaore, 25 novembre 2009 - 07:24 .

[Riona45]

Querne wrote...
Would be nice if the gamedesigner could consider next time, that women are
generally not very good in separating sex and love..

Maybe, but I'm female and I can do it just fine.  When the time comes I will ask Alistair to sleep with Morrigan so we both can live.  Morrigan doesn't *want* Alistair after all, she just wants to get pregnant.

Has anybody experimented with keeping Alistair in the party and getting Loghain
anyhow?
Is this really impossible? Really-really?

Yes, it is impossible.  You can't have both, you have to choose.

[flippingthemako]

Yup, we are screwed. I am very upset about this as well. I have refused to even finished the game now (I spoiled myself too) since I know the ending will frustrate me beyond belief. I am patiently waiting on a mod or something to make me a happier woman.

[Joie de Combat]

Riona45 wrote...

Querne wrote...
Would be nice if the gamedesigner could consider next time, that women are
generally not very good in separating sex and love..

Maybe, but I'm female and I can do it just fine.  When the time comes I will ask Alistair to sleep with Morrigan so we both can live.  Morrigan doesn't *want* Alistair after all, she just wants to get pregnant.

Agreed. I haven't taken Morrigan's offer yet, but when I made the decision to turn her down it wasn't out of not wanting Morrigan to "have" Alistair - it was because I felt it would go against Alistair's principles, and because I was concerned about the repercussions of allowing the god-baby to be conceived.

Not all women have difficulty separating sex and love. I was more worried about Alistair having trouble with that, considering his character.

[Basher of Glory]

@ OP:

Just out of curiosity, why would you want that crazy scumbag Loghain in your party?

I was soooo satisfied, when I got the option to let Alistair execute him and even more, when I saw his infamous daughter going to jail.

[Taleroth]

Baher of Glory wrote...

@ OP:
Just out of curiosity, why would you want that crazy scumbag Loghain in your party?

Not the OP, but I imagine someone feels the same as I.

I wouldn't.  But I didn't agree with executing him on the spot.

[Querne]

Agreed. I haven't taken Morrigan's offer yet, but when I made the decision to turn her down it wasn't out of not wanting Morrigan to "have" Alistair - it was because I felt it would go against Alistair's principles, and because I was concerned about the repercussions of allowing the god-baby to be conceived.

Not all women have difficulty separating sex and love. I was more worried about Alistair having trouble with that, considering his character.

In RL I don´t have also. But Alistair and my elf HAVE.. they are acting very.. innocent (?) and it doesn´t fit at all.


*sigh*

That there is no other possibilty is what I didn´t want, but expected to read.

I hope that the designer will finally show mercy. Or a modder does.
At the moment I don´t like to play as far at all. ://

I like to get Loghain to sacrifice him instead of Alistair. 3 Grey wardens are one too much.. 

Modifié par Querne, 25 novembre 2009 - 07:44 .

[Riona45]

To be fair it seems like a lot of people want more options and/or different endings with regards to certain things. For example, a lot of people hate it how Morrigan just leaves the PC who loved her and the most you can do about it is go off looking for her.

I chalk it up to the game specifically being all about hard choices and, in cases less-than-happy but fitting endings (that was talked up a lot before the game's release, after all).

Modifié par Riona45, 25 novembre 2009 - 07:49 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I <3 Alistair as much as the next obsessive female fan, but after I said no to Morrigan's deal the first time and saw the outcome, I promptly realized that eh, sending Alistair to spend one night with her wasn't quite as bad as having one of us die. Happy about it? Nope, but it was the only out & I could live with that - it's not like he's attracted to her, much less wants to do it (he clearly, clearly doesn't want to & you have to do the convincing ).

[Querne]

@ Riona 45:

Yes, I admit that loosing Morrigan can be also hard. But if you romanace her, at least she leaves with your child and not with Stens. Besides I think that leaving finally that goes with her character, while the ritual doesn´t go with Alistairs.

I understand what you mean - the game wouldn´t be as great without its sad and serious moments of course.

Despite that I would like to be given an option, even if it was hard, to let the two be happy together without making something such s disturbing decision.

***

You just say, that he wants only me.
In all nights after he´ll dream about the witch-b***ch..

Modifié par Querne, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:15 .

[LdyShayna]

Querne wrote...
Any other ideas?

I ran into the same problem with almost exactly the same events - got most of the way through my game and then found out what was in store.

I thought about it for a long time, and because of the type of character I had made, she would definitely NEVER accept Morrigan's offer, and would instead leave Alistair at the gates of the city and sacrifice herself at the archdemon.  However, I don't have any desire to play through those events, so I was stalled for a long time.

I would quest to hell and back for a real happy ending btw..

Interesting you should say this, as this was eventually my solution - lots of questing with a NEW character.  I made a new gal who was significantly less devout (the BIG reason she would NEVER make the deal with Morrigan), and slightly more cynical.  When she gets to that point, she's not going to be happy with the choice, and may well be torturing herself second guessing and such, but it will feel 'right' that she might choose that path.  Making the Morrigan choice just would NOT have felt real with my original character, thus could not have been satisfying to me.

Much to my disapointment, as others noted, there is NO way to have Loghain redeem himself by sacrificing himself to stop the archdemon and still keep Alistair.

[shanilefay]

I am in the same boat with DA right now. I found out that bad ending with Alistair and just can't bring myself to finishing the game with my noble female.



I even started an elf character so I can romance Zev and stay away from Alistair this time around. Where is my happy ending!

[Querne]

That´s makes me really sad. Actually I also love my current character and  wish I could bring things to an satisfing end with her.
Otherwise I´m very glad, that I´m not the only one with this problem.

It seems, as if I really have to make a new char that will be a little bit harder and perhaps.. has
already licked a lamp post in winter before meeting Alistair.

Modifié par Querne, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Zeleen]

Well, I am truly enjoying my "romance" with Allister.. I am a noble and did lick the lamp post in my origin story.. I'm a good girl but, no saint... but, I did not tell Allister .. I lied knowing that he was naive and innocent.and VERY "old fashioned"



I am looking forward to more special encounters and definitely will "make a deal" with M so we can live happily for whatever time... it's only 1 night (and a few minutes) versus a lifetime....

[Dunhart]

Hahaha, the way Aleister reacts to the prospect of having a night with Morrigan and how hunted he looks when she comes to the bed totally made it worth it. Don't worry gals, your man is going to be faithful forever after that experience.

Modifié par Dunhart, 25 novembre 2009 - 09:51 .

[Chaos_Brand]

Blagh! Stupid complex choices... I found out about the whole ritual deal accidentally about 75% way through the game. I was mad. When I got to that part, I was still mad. Because my character was in a relationship with Alistair, it was a hard choice. Both options seemed equally unpleasant. Ultimately, I chose to let the ritual take place but was really not happy about it. At least Alistair seemed bummed out too...

I've been thinking it over and I still don't get why the ritual had to take place between Morrigan and a Grey Warden (aside from her desire for a creepy old god child.) From what I heard, it seemed like all that was needed was a fetus to absorb the taint. If that were the case, wouldn't a female PC be okay with performing the ritual too? There didn't seem to be any crazy spell business going on. Anyway,  I just wish Alistair had talked with my PC afterwards about what happened. I mean, not details or anything, but just a reassurance that things were still okay between them. It would have made the whole ordeal less unsettling.

Damn BioWare and their emotionally-involving games...

[Sheryl Chee]

Chaos_Brand wrote...

I've been thinking it over and I still don't get why the ritual had to take place between Morrigan and a Grey Warden (aside from her desire for a creepy old god child.) From what I heard, it seemed like all that was needed was a fetus to absorb the taint. If that were the case, wouldn't a female PC be okay with performing the ritual too? There didn't seem to be any crazy spell business going on.

Yes, there was crazy spell business. If you really pester Morrigan for details, she will say that it is a blood magic ritual. She also says that this was her whole purpose, to conceive a child with the soul of the old god. Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.

[Riona45]

Zeleen wrote...

Well, I am truly enjoying my "romance" with Allister.. I am a noble and did lick the lamp post in my origin story.. I'm a good girl but, no saint...

I really don't understand the mentality that if the PC had sex with someone before meeting Alistair, it makes her "less good" (which is what is implied by "no saint").  I'm not trying to single you out either, because you aren't the only one who has made a comment along these lines.

I just really hate this silly concept that implies that sex makes one "harder" or "impure"--it doesn't.  Sometimes the first person you have sex with *isn't* your true love.  And bear in mind that in this setting, the predominant religion doesn't even proscribe sexuality outside of marriage or "true love."

Modifié par Riona45, 25 novembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[tmp7704]

Querne wrote...

I..don´t want to.
Really, really don´t want!

I don't know if it'll help you any but (as long as you're friendly with Morrigan) then the whole deal doesn't really feel like she's doing it out of malice towards you both and/or self-interest, but rather because it just happens to be one way that makes it possible for her only friend and the friend's love to both survive. The sex is just unavoidable part of the process, sort of like say, she'd need Alistair to donate a kidney. Except he has to donate something else

[Nighteye2]

Men who romance morrigan usually get screwed in the end, too. If you don't like the option she offers, finish the playthrough by sacrificing yourself heroically - it will be satisfying in a different way.

[Dunhart]

It would have been nice to have him say that he was thinking about you the whole time but he probably doesn't want to talk about it at all afterwards.



Ahh, Alistair, if only you'd play for my team.

[Querne]

Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.
 

It´s just damned unfair, that noone saves my even innocent little elve from the horror to let  Alistair sleep with this really good-looking woman. It´s really awful.

@ Riona45:

It makes a difference to my char. She´s concepted very traditional,  Alistair is her first love and the first one she "shares her´s tent with". It´s an old-fashioned and romantic story and the relationship something special.  
Listening to Alistair it seems to be that way for both. I think that "modern people" having relationships and other sexual partners before could handle the situation better, yes.

@ tmp7704:

Yes, it helps. 


@ Dunhart:

Don´t regret it,  it´s nothing but pain.. *sigh*


 

Modifié par Querne, 25 novembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[marshalleck]

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.