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[marshalleck]

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.

Of course, maybe this is just a male perspective. Can't help what I am, and Morrigan makes a good argument.

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 novembre 2009 - 10:31 .

[Riona45]

Querne wrote...

It´s an old-fashioned and romantic story and the relationship something special.  

OK, but I'm voicing my opinion that both parties need not be virgins for a relationship to be special.  I do not believe that the relationship is "more special" if both parties are virgins.  Again, to me that implies nothing less than a belief that sex "tarnishes" people, and I find that to be both silly and harmful.

I think that "modern people" having relationships and other sexual partners before could handle the situation better, yes.

 

It really has nothing to do with being "modern" as this is supposed to be a fantasy world.  As I said before, it's been stated in the lore that the culture of this setting isn't as strict about sexuality as real life cultures were (and in some places, still are).

Modifié par Riona45, 25 novembre 2009 - 10:40 .

[Riona45]

marshalleck wrote...

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.

Of course, maybe this is just a male perspective.

It's not, because I'm female and I share your opinion.

[Levowitz]

Nighteye2 wrote...

Men who romance morrigan usually get screwed in the end, too. If you don't like the option she offers, finish the playthrough by sacrificing yourself heroically - it will be satisfying in a different way.

Exactamundo.

I played as a righteous dude. A templar who believed in virtues as opposed to zealous idealism. He had fallen for Morrigan, but when she offered the dark gift I chose the angry 'get out' options and killed the Dragon myself.

[Querne]

No, of course the world of DA is not old fashioned concerning this issue, but Alistair is.
Thats one of the reasons why I like him so much and concepted my char acting similar to his behaviour instead of taking Zevran f.e.
Luckily Bioware created the "true knight out of the legends"  without getting one-dimensional because his unperfected - what makes him some kind of really perfect in my opinion.^^
The last loyal, loyal to the end.

That´s why i would like to act this relationship like in legends, worst case with whole world against them but nothing between.. and the episode with Morrigan is something standing between them. 


No, it´s not cheating but..

I really can´t explain it better. Hope most people understand. 



Uhhm..
Can I have happy end - DLC,  please?

[Walina]

marshalleck wrote...

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.

Of course, maybe this is just a male perspective. Can't help what I am, and Morrigan makes a good argument.

Seems, you never as been through it or did you ever forgive an ex-girlfirend after she cheated on you ? If yes, tell me if you're still with her


Well, back on the topic : yes, you're riht, it's unfair that we can't avoid this ritual while men can <_<

[Levowitz]

I can't speak for the other dudes, but just because I'm not romancing Alistair doesn't mean I'd sacrifice him so I could have a happy ending. Alistair feels like the main character's best friend -at the very least.- He felt like my character's brother.



I did the dark ritual on my second run through. Of course, my character was romancing Morrigan at the time so that wasn't a big deal. On my fourth run through he is romancing Lelianna, and will do the dark pact anyway.

[marshalleck]

Walina wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.

Of course, maybe this is just a male perspective. Can't help what I am, and Morrigan makes a good argument.

Seems, you never as been through it or did you ever forgive an ex-girlfirend after she cheated on you ? If yes, tell me if you're still with her


Well, back on the topic : yes, you're riht, it's unfair that we can't avoid this ritual while men can <_<

"Cheating" is dishonesty, engaging in those activities with someone else, behind someone's back who thinks they are in a monogamous relationship. It's not about the sex so much as it is the lying about it, the deception.

I've been cheated on IRL and yes it hurt, it was a horrible experience. But it was the fact that I was being lied to and strung along that was the worst part of it, I couldn't ever trust that person again.

This situation, a ritual which can save someone's life, isn't really cheating if you put your partner up for it. There is no lying or dishonesty.

If anything, at least female characters apparently get to talk about it with their romantic interest. As a male PC in my Leliana romance playthrough, I apparently just did the deed without speaking a word to Leliana about it, which definitely feels dishonest.

Just my 2 cents

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:29 .

[Taritu]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Chaos_Brand wrote...

I've been thinking it over and I still don't get why the ritual had to take place between Morrigan and a Grey Warden (aside from her desire for a creepy old god child.) From what I heard, it seemed like all that was needed was a fetus to absorb the taint. If that were the case, wouldn't a female PC be okay with performing the ritual too? There didn't seem to be any crazy spell business going on.

Yes, there was crazy spell business. If you really pester Morrigan for details, she will say that it is a blood magic ritual. She also says that this was her whole purpose, to conceive a child with the soul of the old god. Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.

Eh, she's too skinny and too goth for my tastes.  Now if it was Leiliana...

[Ekyri]

How can Morrigan be too skinny when you like Leliana? They have the exact same body!

[KCFender]

I was actually really upset with Alistair's character. When you put him to the test, he hates Loghain more than he hates the Blight. He's a pus, and I'll probably always pick Loghain over him. My first playthrough I romanced Alistair and made him King... but then later he wanted to to break up because I'm just a city elf and that wouldn't be proper for me to be with the King... Way to stand up for your woman, little man. He eventually locates his sac when the Archdemon comes to town, and offers to ultimately sacrifice himself for the greater good. I said, "Good. Yeah. Do that. Later King."

Next playthrough, I decide to hear Loghain out a little bit. Alistair goes all loco about it and decides to leave! Really?! The little follower decides killing the Blight isn't all important now that it doesn't jive with his politics? Killing the Blight and saving mankind is just too hard with your feelings so hurt? Well, I didn't miss him. He can stay gone. A snarky, little follower, totally unfit for leadership, and totally oblivious to his own hypocrisies. I'd rather have a coniving lunatic like Loghain than a wimp like that.

Modifié par KCFender, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:12 .

[KillSALGo]

I think them getting together was probably pretty hot. Hate-sex blood magic.

[Malsumis]

I dont seriously see how it's a hard choice, unless of course your character is nervous about Morrigan having the old god essence. If your character truly cared for someone, they would jump at the chance to avoid said persons death.



A female PC romancing Alistiar has the strongest reasons of any character to perform the ritual.

[tmp7704]

KCFender wrote...

My first playthrough I romanced Alistair and made him King... but then later he wanted to to break up because I'm just a city elf and that wouldn't be proper for me to be with the King... Way to stand up for your woman, little man.

Yeah, how little of him to put what he perceives to be a royal duty first and personal feelings second. Definitely smaller and more selfish than a person who lets the would-be king of her country sacrifice himself purely because he broke up with her.

Let's cast some more stones quick before this glasshouse comes crashing down.

[Alynna_tp]

To be fair the guys get sort of the same treatment as girls here. If they are romancing Morrigan there is no happy ending with her. At least we have the option to stay with him no matter our background depending on our decisions at Landsmeet. Guys don't get any sort of option with Morrigan. She just leaves.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Heh, you think you had it rough, you shoulda seen the intricate mess of relationships that happened to me. First I was flirting shamelessly with Alistair. I absolutely loved him and the way he asked me if I'd ever licked a lamp post was so felic in symbology I was sure we were about to get it on. But no, Alistair is straight :-(



My heart was broken, but eventually I moved on and started kissing Morrigan. I don't generally swing that way, but she's so awesome, and I loved breaking down her emotional barriers. Then I met Zevran and he was so blatantly ready to jump my bones that I couldn't really turn him down. He suggested that Morrigan might not approve, so I had to ask Morrigan if she'd be happy just being my **** hag, a role she seemed to fill very well.



So with two failed relationships behind me I started having regular man love with Zevran, until I discovered a console command to enable Alistairs romance even if you're male. *gasp* How could I not do it?! Suddenly my original fantasy was about to be fulfilled, but not until Alistair made me tell Zevran to take a hike. Zevran took the news fairly well, though I took a -30 hit to his approval rating, and then I proceeded to live the dream with Alistair.



That is, until we realised that the best solution was for him to marry the queen. Oh the pain, oh the jealousy. We got all the way to the landsmeet and then I just couldn't do it. I declared Alistair king and had the **** queen locked away in a tower, as seemed fitting for a jealous lover to do.



So after an intial rejection of my love, followed by two other failed romances, followed by putting him on the throne and finding a way for him to do so without marrying someone else, I'm thinking things are finally going to go right for us. Wrong. Alistair wants a baby, and evidently I can't give him one. Bastard!



Then Morrigan offers me a life saving shag and I gratefully accept. But she has no interest in making this a lasting relationship, oh no. She leaves me too.



Finally I defeat the archdemon and save Ferelden, but I've got no one to have a celebratory shag with afterwards.



Then on my way out of the throne room and on with my life, Zevran stops me and asks if we could live together. Awww. Dear Zevran, I never should have betrayed you.

[NarcissaArtois]

I have finished two play throughs....the first one I refused Morrigan's offer and decided to sacrifice myself....sadly, didn't know that if you bring Alistair to the tower he wont let you sacrifice myself...been awhile since I cried that hard.

Second play through, I accepted Morrigans offer...basically skipping through the balk of the conversation...convincing Alistair sucked....and then I skipped the cut scene...didn't watch it, out of sight, out of mind. Both Alistair and Morrigan put me at ease at the very end...I thanked Morrigan for everything she had done (since there wasnt a slap her choice) but she replied with it was the least I could do...which made me think about her saying that she had a way for THE BOTH OF YOU TO LIVE....sounds like she is putting her own dislike of Alistair aside for YOU, not him...not for a baby. The baby is important for the spirit of the archdemon...but she doesn't say that is the inital reason she wants to do this. Then when you defeat the archdemon Alistair and you talk briefly about it...and then he makes it clear that he can't wait to get you upstairs...something that would not be possible otherwise.

Finally when you read the epilogue it talks about you and alistair rebuilding the grey wardens and he leaves you side briefly to go and do something for Duncans memory and "returns quickly to his loves side"



To me, the pros out weight the cons (at least romance wise...gonna completely screw up things with the sequal)

[Rhys Cordelle]

NarcissaArtois wrote...

I have finished two play throughs....the first one I refused Morrigan's offer and decided to sacrifice myself....sadly, didn't know that if you bring Alistair to the tower he wont let you sacrifice myself...been awhile since I cried that hard.

Oh my god I would have too! That sounds awful

[Fishy]

Than sacrifice yourself.It's make the whole thing so much more believable anyway .
Well at least when you play a female character , you have a much more romantic ending than if you date Leliana or Morrigan has a male character.

I mean you're here to save the world and not satisfy your personnal ambition or love interest.You should speak to Wynne.Because everything she said .. it's the sad reality ..

It's not a Walk Disney Walk .. It's not a Walk in the Park Either.It's Dragon Age.
Ifyour character's mature enough to save the world .. than sacrifice should be douable.

Personnaly i love more the ending when you sacrifice your character..Personnaly , i think in DA2 .. the protagonist of the first will have sacrified himself.It's make it much easier for the developper .

[Visenya]

Some of you really think it is okay to let your loved one not only sleep with another woman but even to impregnate her? Hello??? Bad, bad people.

Okay. Now when I finished my first playthrough and faced all those difficult choices I can only laugh at myself. Three times I turned the game off just because of terrible results of my choices.

1) Alistair dumped me when I voted for him to become a king. Hell, yes, I'm a very selfish girl so I loaded previous save and made Anora the queen.

2) That damned ritual with Morrigan, oh yeah. You bet I didn't let her have him!

3) Next day I was ready to make the ultimate sacrifice. I was mentally preparing myself for the glorious death while butchering the darkspawn in Denerim and guess what? I picked a wrong answer in the final dialogue and Alistair took the sword and ran to the archdemon. I was literally yelling at him: "Where are you going, you idiot?! It is my death! You're stealing MY DEATH from me!

Now I'm laughing at myself but I'm still convinced my first playthrough should have had a happy ending. This way it just took the joy from it, you know. Only the first character is real and I wanted her to be happy after what she's been through.

[grallonsphere]

2nd play through, human male mage - I'll bed the nag to save my beloved templar's life - and allow that dreadful Anora rule - so we can keep on adventuring together - even if only as platonic brothers *sigh*







G.

[SpideyKnight]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Chaos_Brand wrote...

I've been thinking it over and I still don't get why the ritual had to take place between Morrigan and a Grey Warden (aside from her desire for a creepy old god child.) From what I heard, it seemed like all that was needed was a fetus to absorb the taint. If that were the case, wouldn't a female PC be okay with performing the ritual too? There didn't seem to be any crazy spell business going on.

Yes, there was crazy spell business. If you really pester Morrigan for details, she will say that it is a blood magic ritual. She also says that this was her whole purpose, to conceive a child with the soul of the old god. Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.

Well said.

[SpideyKnight]

Walina wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It's not cheating if you ask him to do it, so that you two can be together.

Of course, maybe this is just a male perspective. Can't help what I am, and Morrigan makes a good argument.

Seems, you never as been through it or did you ever forgive an ex-girlfirend after she cheated on you ? If yes, tell me if you're still with her


Well, back on the topic : yes, you're riht, it's unfair that we can't avoid this ritual while men can <_<

What he's saying is different, I've never had to ASK a girl to sleep with another man.  That is the decision you are at here.  Is your life and the future of your relationship worth a roll in the bed with Morrigan?  Remember that Alistair doesn't want to he would rather die, but if you ask him, he will do it.  That's why it isn't cheating, you are ASKING him to take one for the team and save you both.

[Trelow-LMG]

I honestly don't understand the conflict prople have with the ending. Given my nature I cannot even imagine anyone selecting any choice other than to sacrifice themselves.

Modifié par Trelow-LMG, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:16 .

[Axterix]

Malsumis wrote...

I dont seriously see how it's a hard choice, unless of course your character is nervous about Morrigan having the old god essence. If your character truly cared for someone, they would jump at the chance to avoid said persons death.

A female PC romancing Alistiar has the strongest reasons of any character to perform the ritual.

That goes both ways.  A female PC romancing Alistair has amongst the strongest reasons not to perform the ritual.  If they are truly commited to each other, in the you and only you sense, they'll gladly go to death rather than break that commitment.

Do you sacrifice and make some physical contact with someone else to buy time with your loved one?  Or do you stay true to the ideal and accept the consequences there of, even if it is death?

All depends on how your characters view the relationship and sex.

For me, if the character really cared, I'd go the traditional route, to heroic sacrifice and death.

Modifié par Axterix, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:15 .