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The beloved Alistair , the choices and the ARGHHHH!!!


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Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Heh, you think you had it rough, you shoulda seen the intricate mess of relationships that happened to me. First I was flirting shamelessly with Alistair. I absolutely loved him and the way he asked me if I'd ever licked a lamp post was so felic in symbology I was sure we were about to get it on. But no, Alistair is straight :-(

My heart was broken, but eventually I moved on and started kissing Morrigan. I don't generally swing that way, but she's so awesome, and I loved breaking down her emotional barriers. Then I met Zevran and he was so blatantly ready to jump my bones that I couldn't really turn him down. He suggested that Morrigan might not approve, so I had to ask Morrigan if she'd be happy just being my **** hag, a role she seemed to fill very well.

So with two failed relationships behind me I started having regular man love with Zevran, until I discovered a console command to enable Alistairs romance even if you're male. *gasp* How could I not do it?! Suddenly my original fantasy was about to be fulfilled, but not until Alistair made me tell Zevran to take a hike. Zevran took the news fairly well, though I took a -30 hit to his approval rating, and then I proceeded to live the dream with Alistair.

That is, until we realised that the best solution was for him to marry the queen. Oh the pain, oh the jealousy. We got all the way to the landsmeet and then I just couldn't do it. I declared Alistair king and had the **** queen locked away in a tower, as seemed fitting for a jealous lover to do.

So after an intial rejection of my love, followed by two other failed romances, followed by putting him on the throne and finding a way for him to do so without marrying someone else, I'm thinking things are finally going to go right for us. Wrong. Alistair wants a baby, and evidently I can't give him one. Bastard!

Then Morrigan offers me a life saving shag and I gratefully accept. But she has no interest in making this a lasting relationship, oh no. She leaves me too.

Finally I defeat the archdemon and save Ferelden, but I've got no one to have a celebratory shag with afterwards.

Then on my way out of the throne room and on with my life, Zevran stops me and asks if we could live together. Awww. Dear Zevran, I never should have betrayed you.


Oh my, what an intriguing play through you had, I love how you wrote it, it just made me smile and I had to quote it :)

As for the decision to let your beloved man sleep with Morrigan.. man, I think it was the hardest decision in the game for me, harder than the Redcliffe choices, harder than choosing who to rule Orzammar, harder than letting Anora rule Ferelden.. I mean, as a girl, yeah, I found it tough. I know it's not cheating, but I really like to equate Alistair to my IRL husband because they are sooo much alike and I just couldn't ever do that to my real husband, let alone Alistair.

BUT.. how else are you going to survive the battle and live with Alistair afterwards? It's tough, I mean, technically neither of you is guarunteed to live through the battle anyway (could potentially die before even getting to the Archdemon) so it's not like the ritual is a 100% safety blanket. What cinched the deal for me, was accidently spoiling myself and learning that if you don't do the ritual, Alistair will sacrifice himself (even if you say you will do the sacrificing) and I just can't bear to see that, I freaking cry every time in an RPG when someone sacrifices themselves, especialy a character I am attached to. So pretty much, in my mind, there is no choice. 

That said, at least Morrigan isn't in love with him, but I've always wondered if maybe she secretly planned all along for the male Grey Warden for the ritual to always be Alistair. Sure, maybe they don't like each other much, but maybe she secretly has a little crush on him towards the end (because he really grows up a lot over the story and isn't the same guy she met in the Wilds). So, maybe there is nothing there, but in my character's world, she's sitting in the other room while this ritual is going on thinking of all these outlandish possibilities, thinking that Morrigan is really enjoying getting something she wanted and Alistair is totally in the worst situation he could imagine being in and since you're suppose to care about him why do you convince him to do it.. and..argh! The joys of a necessary evil.

I sort of wish there was some dialogue choices with both Morrigan and Alistair afterwards, I would have liked to re-assure Alistair and gone to bed with him before the final battle that we still aren't sure we are going to live through, despite the ritual (and apparently my character's bed got all smothered in the ritual action, did anyone else notice that, they do it in the PC's room!). I was also interested in trying to convince Morrigan to not leave ( we are pretty good friends at this point so I know the ritual isn't a malicious act against me or Alistair) and to express how torn I felt about the whole thing and see if she might have softened up to say "sorry, it was nothing personal" just to reassure my character.

Or maybe I am just thinking about it all way too much.

Modifié par leonia42, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:27 .


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""Yeah, how little of him to put what he perceives to be a royal duty first and personal feelings second. Definitely smaller and more selfish than a person who lets the would-be king of her country sacrifice himself purely because he broke up with her.
Let's cast some more stones quick before this glasshouse comes crashing down.""


Yes, it was small of him. He could have kept the relationship if he wanted to (as shown by the alternate "hardened" Alistair who keeps you as a "mistress" supposedly). And I could care less about him being King. I just hated Anora. Why should my PC die instead of him? He's kind of a jerk, and not a great leader either.

And either way, you're talking about my PC, who may be a *****, but the subject is Alistair. My "glasshouse" isn't as apparent as your strawman. I maintain that Alistair is small-minded.

At the Landsmeet, WHAT is his issue? Is it the Blight? Is it you, the PC? Is it what's best for the defense of Ferelden? No. It's executing a man he hates. That is ultimately the only thing he cares about. He'll be King JUST so he can kill Loghain. That's his only reason for wanting that responsibilty. How fantastic. Will I sacrifice a King like that? Sure. Not an impressive monarch to be had, and, more importantly, he was willing.

Modifié par KCFender, 26 novembre 2009 - 05:17 .


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Be grateful that's all the sacrifice you have to make.  Compared to the guys that romanced Morrigan you have it easy, whereas we got totally screwed at the end.

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TBH, I'm envious of the girls' romance options. Leliana is dull, and Morrigan ripped my heart out.

Alistair is a great option, and so is Zevran.

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Yanna01 wrote...
Some of you really think it is okay to let your loved one not only sleep with another woman but even to impregnate her? Hello??? Bad, bad people. :)

Well you chose to let him die instead, I guess that was a better choice...
That would be selfish.  Even if you did end up sacrificing yourself like you intended, what a horrible thing to do to Alistair.  You would completely rip his heart out rather than sacrifice one night with him.  Damn you are selfish.

Modifié par specter7237, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:13 .


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Lacan2 wrote...

TBH, I'm envious of the girls' romance options. Leliana is dull, and Morrigan ripped my heart out.

Alistair is a great option, and so is Zevran.


Well, nothing to stop you from romancing Zevran ;)

That said, I disagree.

Leliana is the best.  Got to love the accent and she's just so nice and slightly crazy, but not in a stabbity stab sort of way.

Morrigan is right up there with Leliana, though that there's a good chance she's going to leave you is obvious from the start.

Alistair?  He's got a sense of humor, yeah, but beyond that, he's a thin shell filled with daddy issues.  I lose more status with him than any other character...and that is with often resisting the urge to smack him down more.

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To be honest, male romance options are always at a disadvantage since they're supposed to be dragged along by you and bow to your every whim, usually making them look emasculate. I wonder if they could make a game where you're NOT the party leader, just one of the followers and could only influence things by suggestions and persuasion...



Anyway, Zevran is not very emotionally engaging, the achievement "Easy Lover" suits him well and I got no kicks from it at all.

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eh..honestly I don't understand this all discussion about " how bad is sex with Morrigan". Even I romanced with Alistair I put him into Morrigan bed. First he will be King so he needs survive for his people. Second I don't want to die, becouse dead hero is still dead, and I want to live by those extra 30 years, and will not sacrifice myself becouse someone forced me into Grey Wardens. Third I think that better to see Alistair in Morrigan's bed by a few minuts than even in the most impressive tomb. The only thing I want for myself when Alistair is with Morrigan is hot man in my room ( well I want too some fun before finall battle). Plus if You are affraid and jealous about Morrigan's baby, You can always imagine that You were looking for her later and finish yours buisness with her, or send her special Antivian's regards...

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I was a bit upset with the fact that, as a male romacing Leliana, I was never given the option, or the thought, or the hint it was even possible, to convince morrigan todo the ritual with alistair, it was either "Cheat on Leliana or I'm bailing out" I'm ridiculously old fashion, and frankly could never bring myself to consider such an option as cheating on a girlfriend.



It just frustrates me that the option to have Alistair do it doesn't exist as a male. It's not as bad as what the females have to go through when romancing Alistair, but it kind of breaks my immersion and roleplaying "Darn it! Why can't I try to convince you to do it with Alistair instead!" Sure Alistair probably would never go for it, but it would be worth a shot.

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Yanna01 wrote...
Now I'm laughing at myself but I'm still convinced my first playthrough should have had a happy ending. This way it just took the joy from it, you know. Only the first character is real and I wanted her to be happy after what she's been through. :)


Absolutely feeiling for you about the first character. And about taking away the joy. Btw it´s the first game where I don´t skip dialogues on my first run.^^

Somebody wrote, that "DA isn´t Disney".  I don´t think that DA would transmute to Bambi if I was given another option than let the one I love impregnate a beautiful friend of mine. ^^
It would not be unrealistic f.e. if convinced, Alistair would accept Loghains penance knowing the alternatives and approve, that the blood usually rules itself if somebody is worth it to become a Grey Warden.

Actually I have only two options - to sacrifice myself  (wich is the truer choice, but I simply don´t like to play through at the moment, better stop here for a while) or to convince him to sleep with her, wich will somekind of drain the feeling for their relationship after. Btw. I´m not sure if sacrifiying myself is the less selfish option from Alistairs point of view..^^

That letting him die is the worst option at all, isn´t under consideration. What I´m sad about is, that both other options are bad. That sacrifing my self is the (only) alternative doesn´t  make the ritual funnier for me.
 

Modifié par Querne, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:46 .


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I could convince Alistair to do it on my main character. You just have to turn her down once and she brings it up as an alternative.

Edit: Also, I'm very much intrigued by this console command to enabling a male to male romance with Alistair. Do I sense a third playthrough rearing it's head? Getting called a lady a few times ought to be worth it. :lol:

Modifié par Dunhart, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:41 .


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Dunhart wrote...

I could convince Alistair to do it on my main character. You just have to turn her down once and she brings it up as an alternative.


Gah!, Are you serious? I bet it was there, staring me in the face the whole time! Well crud, that's what I get for playing that part half alseep

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I wonder if anyone else handled this the way I did with my female mage. Admittedly, my situation was a little different in that I had romanced Leliana rather than Alistair. When I got Morrigan's offer, I agreed to give it to Alistair, and then presented it to him without any attempt at persuasion. It was, after all, his decision to make. His life was just as much on the line as mine, and he was the one who'd actually have to carry out the ritual. It probably goes without saying that he didn't end up taking the deal.

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Querne wrote...
or to convince him to sleep with her, wich will somekind of drain the feeling for their relationship after.

You're making a sacrifice for the one you love.  If anything that should deepen your relationship.

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When the time came to stick Alistair to do it on my female character, I had this vision of what should have happened afterwards when Alistair comes back to your room.



You: "I made a bath ready for you."

Alistair: "... I love you so much right now."

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specter7237 wrote...

Querne wrote...
or to convince him to sleep with her, wich will somekind of drain the feeling for their relationship after.

You're making a sacrifice for the one you love.  If anything that should deepen your relationship.


Dream on it, the one who asked to make the betrayal will always feel guilty if that person truly love her / his lover. If she not feeling guilty then I am wndering if that person doesn't made this request only for her own benefit.

Stop dreaming guys <_<

Modifié par Walina, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:59 .


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Dunhart wrote...

When the time came to stick Alistair to do it on my female character, I had this vision of what should have happened afterwards when Alistair comes back to your room.

You: "I made a bath ready for you."
Alistair: "... I love you so much right now."


Aww, that made me giggle a bit. Yeah, needless to say he'd need some proper loving after bedding Morrigan.

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Dunhart wrote...

I could convince Alistair to do it on my main character. You just have to turn her down once and she brings it up as an alternative.

Edit: Also, I'm very much intrigued by this console command to enabling a male to male romance with Alistair. Do I sense a third playthrough rearing it's head? Getting called a lady a few times ought to be worth it. :lol:


Actually he never once called me a lady. There were only two issues I noticed. The first was when he kisses you he aims for below your chin. The second was that I had the dialogue option "So, you want me to have your baby?"

lol.

I think he was intended to be bi because other than that line of dialogue, nothing came across as strange.

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These threads are getting kinda tiresome - I mean couldn't there just be one of them or say 5 instead if 1-2 per day?
IMO it might seem like the most heroic and selfless act to let one of you take the bullet but if you think about it:
a) Alistair dies - congratulations you officially ended Maric's bloodline and put the ****y, elf hating, backstabbing Anora on the throne.
How good is that for Ferelden in long term? What effect will it have on Gray Wardens of Ferelden especially if you take into account she might still hold a grudge at them for killing her father - her one true hero

B) PC dies - ok so who's gonna rebuild Gray Wardens of Ferelden? Yes there's still Alistair left but he followed the PC around like puppy for the whole game + if you took the "responsible" option and make him king he will have a lot of things to do and definitely can't dedicate himself to Gray Wardens full time.

In both cases you will leave Frelden significantly weakened and more suspectible to anything DA2 might throw at us. Remember that even Maric took the super secret Flemeth's proposal for the good of Ferelden?
And to be completely honest nor Flemeth nor Morrigan have never done anything (at least we know about) in order to harm Ferelden but on the other hand without Flemeth this Blight would have doomed Ferelden for good so in a way you even owe them (as in Flemeth and Morrigan).

As for sleeping with Morrigan? Seriously if you had a choice like that IRL you'd rather go send your husband take a bullet or you'd take it instead? To me (and obviously from numerous posts here I might be a bad bad person) the choice is pretty damn clear and the fact he's not looking forward to doing it and needs to be persuaded by the PC just makes it that much more so.

And let's face it, it's not like the epilogue says something like "and one winter night you woke up by the sound of Alistair gently sobbing and staring out of the window towards Frostback Mountains", no it tells you that he never left the PC's side unless absolutely neccessary and yet someone has the urge to open yet another of these threads every day.

Modifié par Mesecina, 26 novembre 2009 - 08:42 .


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Okay lets see, the Guys have it as bad as the girls I'm sorry to say but they do.

If you play a Human noble female you can become alistairs Queen.

If you play dwarf or elf /mage alistair dumps you for kingship unless you make anora queen.



If you play a male human, Morrigan dumps you no matter what.

If you play through like my current character, He fell in love with Leliana first, to keep them both alive he either sacrifices Alistair or has to sleep with morrigan, and then seeing Alistair wants the kingship he will probably have to marry anora to become prince regent, which means doublebackstab to leliana, I think leliana has it the worst out of all of them lol

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Yes, there was crazy spell business. If you really pester Morrigan for details, she will say that it is a blood magic ritual. She also says that this was her whole purpose, to conceive a child with the soul of the old god. Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.


No strings attached?
What about in a few years when a dragon with Alistairs eyes knocks on the palace doors and says "Daddy?"

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How do you harden Alistair (no sexual inuendo intended :P)? I know it has something to do with his sister but I seem to have chosen the wrong dialogue option because nothing eventuated from that and his sister won't open dialogue anymore.

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I think you harden him with the line about how unfair people are or some such, can't remember the exact wording but it's definitely the one line that does the trick.

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leonia42 wrote...

I think you harden him with the line about how unfair people are or some such, can't remember the exact wording but it's definitely the one line that does the trick.


Ah. I was too busy trying to make him like me to choose anything other than gooey sympathy :blush:

That's neat that you can alter his personality like that. Perhaps a nod to Anomen of BG2?

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Mesecina wrote...

These threads are getting kinda tiresome - I mean couldn't there just be one of them or say 5 instead if 1-2 per day?
IMO it might seem like the most heroic and selfless act to let one of you take the bullet but if you think about it:
a) Alistair dies - congratulations you officially ended Maric's bloodline and put the ****y, elf hating, backstabbing Anora on the throne.
How good is that for Ferelden in long term? What effect will it have on Gray Wardens of Ferelden especially if you take into account she might still hold a grudge at them for killing her father - her one true hero

B) PC dies - ok so who's gonna rebuild Gray Wardens of Ferelden? Yes there's still Alistair left but he followed the PC around like puppy for the whole game + if you took the "responsible" option and make him king he will have a lot of things to do and definitely can't dedicate himself to Gray Wardens full time.

In both cases you will leave Frelden significantly weakened and more suspectible to anything DA2 might throw at us. Remember that even Maric took the super secret Flemeth's proposal for the good of Ferelden?
And to be completely honest nor Flemeth nor Morrigan have never done anything (at least we know about) in order to harm Ferelden but on the other hand without Flemeth this Blight would have doomed Ferelden for good so in a way you even owe them (as in Flemeth and Morrigan).

As for sleeping with Morrigan? Seriously if you had a choice like that IRL you'd rather go send your husband take a bullet or you'd take it instead? To me (and obviously from numerous posts here I might be a bad bad person) the choice is pretty damn clear and the fact he's not looking forward to doing it and needs to be persuaded by the PC just makes it that much more so.

And let's face it, it's not like the epilogue says something like "and one winter night you woke up by the sound of Alistair gently sobbing and staring out of the window towards Frostback Mountains", no it tells you that he never left the PC's side unless absolutely neccessary and yet someone has the urge to open yet another of these threads every day.

One of the best posts here really...