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[Rugaru]

@Mesecina- as far as B goes- Ferelden is a tiny country on a much larger continent, there are tons of wardens in the other countries that would come in to rebuild the Ferelden chapter of the wardens. Saying that you have to be around for it to happen is just not realistic.

[NarcissaArtois]

Yanna01 wrote...

3) Next day I was ready to make the ultimate sacrifice. I was mentally preparing myself for the glorious death while butchering the darkspawn in Denerim and guess what? I picked a wrong answer in the final dialogue and Alistair took the sword and ran to the archdemon. I was literally yelling at him: "Where are you going, you idiot?! It is my death! You're stealing MY DEATH from me!

Don't worry you didn't pick the wrong dialogue option...if you are in a relationship with Alistair, the only way to sacrifice yourself is if you leave him at the front gate and don't bring him in in your archdemon slaying party. I tried and he said to me "You are acting like I am giving you a choice" and then he ran off and killed it.

[tmp7704]

KCFender wrote...

Yes, it was small of him. He could have kept the relationship if he wanted to (as shown by the alternate "hardened" Alistair who keeps you as a "mistress" supposedly).

Again, how is it "small" of him to sacrifice personal comfort because of what he thinks is a duty as ruler and because he wants to be as good ruler as possible? The "hardened" Alistair keeps female PC around because he's made more selfish and less caring about others, compared to his default self. If anything that is the "small man" route, one of a person who cannot make a hard decision and tries to both eat their cake and keep it, too.
 

And I could care less about him being King. I just hated Anora. Why should my PC die instead of him? He's kind of a jerk, and not a great leader either.

Just lol. That's one way to decide about fate of the whole country -- pick a ruler you think isn't any good because you personally hate the other candidate.

Why should your PC die instead? How about, because she supposedly hates Anora and letting Alistair die puts that hated person on the throne in the end? Oh, and perhaps because going by her own decisions the PC comes across like just as bad, small-minded jerk and poor leader as she makes Alistair to be, so if these are factors that make one worthy of dying ... she seems equally well qualified? So why not her?

[Onyx Jaguar]

What steps do you have to go through to harden Alistair? Is it just the responses in his personal quest?

[Paragon-King]

Finished the game last night with my tomboyish noble lady who had a romance with Alistair. And at the very end my base feeling was the "AAARGH!" like in the topic.

Yup, disappointed. By acting morally right on most occasions, I get the worst possible ending....well, kinda.

No, she haven't licked a lamp post in winter before Alistair, but she wasn't really a saint. Yes, she did pressure Alistair to become the king, because he was a great alternative compared to that double-crossing crone and her deranged father. She couldn't really agree with Alistair after the meeting... well, I couldn't either if I were in the same situation. I could understand but I won't have to approve.

And then comes Morrigan with her fancy idea. As tempting as it was, eventually I... erm.. she couldn't pressure Alistair to do it. I mean... all the talk here about separating love and sex from each other isn't really the case to me here, it's the responsibility. Both my character and Alistair obviously has some sense of duty and responsibility, even thought he is a bit malleable. It would be rather irrational for him father some demon spawn which could possibly bring only doom in the future. So, I did the prudent thing... no Old Gods for Morrigan.

To this part, the whole romance with Alistair was veeerrryyy interesting, what happens now. Then things started going just plain wrong.

Well, I thought if it came to that and I was pretty sure it did, I would kill the Archdemon and save Alistair to rule over Ferelden. Unfortunately, I wasn't given that option... or I just missed it in dialogue. Alistair insisted that he killed the dragon and there was no obvious way to talk him out of it or just grab the sword and kill the thing before Alistair did.

Soo.... good King died and the back-stabbing hag usurped the throne and my character didn't even flinch! At that point I was ready to screw the ceremonies and walk quietly and alone in the pages of history. (Possibly into the Deep Roads). But no, again, not an option. I would be mad with grief after all that.

But hey, a bright spot! It's the brother... which I thought was dead for a long time... and all he has to say was basicly "Hi!". These guys have no emotions whatsoever. I mean how would you people react if you found the love of your life and the first love in this case, and then watch him sacrifice himself, unable do nothing about it yourself? Or when your long lost sibling returns, who you thought was dead?

Pardon possible typos and grammar mistakes.

Modifié par Zouns, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[Count Viceroy]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

 Is it just the responses in his personal quest?

Yes, pick the "everyone is only out for themselves" line.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:39 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

That's it?



Oddly enough that's the line I never choose which is odd considering my playstyle.



Oh well, looks like I'm never executing Loghain again!

[Count Viceroy]

Yes, It's funny how one single line has such deep ramifications for the endings. it's hilarious even.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:47 .

[Mesecina]

Couldar wrote...

@Mesecina- as far as B goes- Ferelden is a tiny country on a much larger continent, there are tons of wardens in the other countries that would come in to rebuild the Ferelden chapter of the wardens. Saying that you have to be around for it to happen is just not realistic.

Sure but where were the Gray Wardens of say Orlais for the last 1-2 years (supposedly the timespan of the game). Oh yeah you're right they sent Riordan...
And do you think Anora would allow a few Orlesians (Gray Wardens or not) rebuild anything in Ferelden?

[Rhys Cordelle]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Yes, It's funny how one single line has such deep ramifications for the endings. it's hilarious even.

Agreed. You should have to do more to change his character that significantly

[Paragon-King]

Oh, blast! Duncan's shield? Hm, I think I missed that completely, yes.

Buddy eulogy? I wish he gave her _the_ flower at the funeral, at least. Nuts!

I demand tragic ending!

<edit> Hm, better go find the shield and then see what happens in the end. I'm expecting a flower.

Modifié par Zouns, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:09 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

It's in the grey wardens cache.

[Drake Sigar]

Querne wrote...

First of all I love this game, perhaps more than is good for me, if you take a
look at the problems I´ve got now.

I´m playing through as city elf for the very first time now, romancing Alistair.

I spoilered myself accidently searching for something other and know now, that I
will have to let  Alistair sleep with Morrigan to save us both.

I..don´t want to.
Really, really don´t want!
Looking at my char talking to him I usually grine at the monitor because they act so lovely.
I also refused to "harden" him during Goldanna Quest because it would feel like
breaking his character to me.
I can live without becoming queen (I know I can play a noble next time, but
playing first time causes more emotions and it won´t be the same. I´m a little
bit sad, that there aren´t special options for the other  backgrounds), but
giving him to Morrigan tastes damned bitter.

I think the very fact that you have such a hard time with this decision is a testament to the great characters. The choice is kinda' a ****, but that's life for you.

[Count Viceroy]

nevermind

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:24 .

[Kuravid]

It's easier to just get Alistair and Anora to rule together (if you've hardened him), then take Loghain into your party and have him sacrifice himself when it comes time to kill the archdemon. No, you don't get to keep Alistair, but then again you also don't have to make a demon baby, kill him or kill yourself. It's not a pretty ending, but it's the most moral, responsible thing to do IMO. And I think that if your character really did care about Alistair, the last thing she would want him to do is make a series of irrational emotional decisions (like killing Loghain and then later sacrificing himself for you).



With me it was like "what is the best thing to do for the world?"---as a grey warden or whatever, it was already established that you exist solely to end the blight, no matter what the costs. Letting your relationship interfere with that goal is irresponsible and selfish---and anything you do in the game that relates to keeping Alistair with you will result in something bad/sad/depressing. You just have to let him go. /sigh. There's always Bann Teagan....

[Paragon-King]

Wonder if the shield makes that much of a difference, since Alistair's approval rating was topped by the end. Got a little negative points after not wanting to let Alistair break-up the romance after the landsmeet but it was easily fixed with gifts. Yes, cheating: "Here's a candy bar, now approve with me."

[Count Viceroy]

Wow, you'd cheat with console commands just for that? Regardless, story wise he still slept with morrigan if he surivives. You might as well just go ahead with the ritual normally and skipping the cutscene....

[Paragon-King]

And I think that if your character really did care about Alistair, the last thing she would want him to do is make a series of irrational emotional decisions (like killing Loghain and then later sacrificing himself for you).

With me it was like "what is the best thing to do for the world?"---as a grey warden or whatever, it was already established that you exist solely to end the blight, no matter what the costs. Letting your relationship interfere with that goal is irresponsible and selfish---and anything you do in the game that relates to keeping Alistair with you will result in something bad/sad/depressing. You just have to let him go. /sigh. There's always Bann Teagan....

That thought of responsibility and duty didn't escape me but I cherish the idea of love conflicting with the duty. Might seem selfish, but it's so damn adorable.

Besides, it would be more responsible to sacrifice only a Warden than a Warden and a King. He has a duty to his people after all and I wouldn't want that powerhungry b**** to take over, because before the ending I didn't think she would make a good job as a ruler.

<edit> I'm not looking to live happily ever after with Alistair, because it was simply impossible after my character refused Morrigans offer and the third Warden didn't really live up to his purpose. I just see if there's a possibility to keep romance with Alistair intact and sacrifice my character instead of Alistair.

<edit> *Erases some text* Damn, I misread.

Modifié par Zouns, 26 novembre 2009 - 04:02 .

[Kuravid]

Zouns wrote...

That thought of responsibility and duty didn't escape me but I cherish the idea of love conflicting with the duty. Might seem selfish, but it's so damn adorable.

Besides, it would be more responsible to sacrifice only a Warden than a Warden and a King. He has a duty to his people after all and I wouldn't want that powerhungry b**** to take over, because before the ending I didn't think she would make a good job as a ruler.

Together, Anora and Alistair kind of balance each other out---Anora being the rational/realistic queen who could very easily become a power hungry b****, but with Alistair there he keeps her in check (a hardened Alistair becomes an even better ruler).

It's a cliche, but love is sacrifice. 

[Count Viceroy]

I'm not looking to live happily ever after with Alistair, because it was simply impossible after my character refused Morrigans offer and the third Warden didn't really live up to his purpose. I just see if there's a possibility to keep romance with Alistair intact and sacrifice my character instead of Alistair.

Yes, don't bring him to the end fight. If you do he won't allow you to take the blow.

[Paragon-King]

True, I think. But nooooes, I just want some confession of love at the funeral. Love after death, you know? It would be so sweet!



And hey, he can still marry Anora after my character has passed away. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. ^^