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[Count Viceroy]

RGC_Ines wrote...


Nope...He didn't sleep with
Morrigan and if You talk to him in the end in a castle he know nothing
about ritual..He said something like " looks like Riordan was wrong" or
something like that...so no sex between Ali & Morrigan. Later when
I will have time I can post dialog between him and my PC after finall
battle. 

Yes because you whipped around with the game files and console commands to make it so.
If you kill loghain, the only way that both your characters will survive is if Alistair undertakes the ritual, or if you do it yourself as a male character and don't tell alistair, but thats not related to this topic. What happens when you execute that console command is to make the game think loghain hasn't been killed, which would force alistair to leave and which explains the dialog at the end...

-I used cheat runscript zz_addparty Loghain

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 novembre 2009 - 04:14 .

[Paragon-King]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Yes, don't bring him to the end fight. If you do he won't allow you to take the blow.

Oh... I tought I _had_ to keep Alistair in the party at the end...

[Count Viceroy]

Zouns wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Yes, don't bring him to the end fight. If you do he won't allow you to take the blow.

Oh... I tought I _had_ to keep Alistair in the party at the end...

No, Riordan suggests you do so, so to increase chances of you succeeding lore wise. But it's not forced on you. Infact if you wanted Alistair to be king, keeping him from the fight would make more sense.

[syllogi]

Kuravid wrote...

Together, Anora and Alistair kind of balance each other out---Anora being the rational/realistic queen who could very easily become a power hungry b****, but with Alistair there he keeps her in check (a hardened Alistair becomes an even better ruler).

It's a cliche, but love is sacrifice. 

I know in one of the endings, Queen Anora closes off the alienages and makes life even more miserable for city elves.  More proof that she's too much like her father for my liking.

But personally speaking, if I was given the choice of having my husband father a child with someone else, or else one of us die, I'd go with the bad, selfish option and deal with the consequences later.  I've had a guy cheat on me in the past, but I've also had someone I loved very much die.  Can you guess which one hurt more?

[Paragon-King]

TeenZombie wrote...

I know in one of the endings, Queen Anora closes off the alienages and makes life even more miserable for city elves.  More proof that she's too much like her father for my liking.

But personally speaking, if I was given the choice of having my husband father a child with someone else, or else one of us die, I'd go with the bad, selfish option and deal with the consequences later.  I've had a guy cheat on me in the past, but I've also had someone I loved very much die.  Can you guess which one hurt more?

Sex doesn't equal love, no.

I just wouldn't want him to father a demon child whom could cause major catasthropy in the future. Better yet, assuming I could even deal with the possible hell it raises in the future (Considering Warden's lifespan and -style).

[Count Viceroy]

RGC_Ines wrote...
Hey I said clearly that I used cheat so why You are upset hmm? I just said, that there's a way to not have RITUAL between Morrigan and Alistair, and still have happy ending ( and without Alistair's bastard).  Alistair didn't sleep with Morrigan, is still in my team, don't die in a final battle, havn't bastard,  PC is still alive and they have theirs "happy ending". 

What I'm saying is that you story wise that can't happen, you're proving that point yourself by cheating. In case we'll see any sort of continuation for example. If I go into the toolset and make Morrigan into a fat bloke doesn't mean the game and story will percive her as such. You're saying that you can provide a way to avoid the ritual. Well short of cheating that isnt possible.  If you want to cheat and lie to your self and belive that's what really happened, all the more credit to you I suppose.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 novembre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Querne]

 If I go into the toolset and make Morrigan into a fat bloke doesn't mean the game and story will percive her as such.

Uhm, how exactly can I make her a fat bloke?^^

As for sleeping with Morrigan? Seriously if you had a choice like that IRL you'd rather go send your husband take a bullet or you'd take it instead? To me (and obviously from numerous posts here I might be a bad bad person) the choice is pretty damn clear and the fact he's not looking forward to doing it and needs to be persuaded by the PC just makes it that much more so.

Opening the thread I hoped, that there would an alternative to both versions (dying or bedding Morri) already programmed allowing a real happy end.
Unlike RL this situation isn´t godgiven, but story-guy-given (to wich I bow btw.) so I don´t think that considering alternatives, searching for solutions or wishing another possibilities to have more fun with the game is naiv or should be tiring for someone.


Otherwise it´s really nice to read the posts of people contending, that it´s just for a higher aim and actually Alistair isn´t very keen about the ritual. Makes me feel better somehow, although I haven´t made a final decision yet.
Seems to be my own hardening-quest.

Modifié par Querne, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:07 .

[Count Viceroy]

Querne wrote...

Uhm, how exactly can I make her a fat bloke?^^

You'd have to replace her model with say, the model they use for loyd the barkeep, in the toolset.
There's plenty of mods modifying morrigan already. Though none seems to be going after the fat bloke look

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:35 .

[Visenya]

specter7237 wrote...

Yanna01 wrote...
Some of you really think it is okay to let your loved one not only sleep with another woman but even to impregnate her? Hello??? Bad, bad people.

Well you chose to let him die instead, I guess that was a better choice...
That would be selfish.  Even if you did end up sacrificing yourself like you intended, what a horrible thing to do to Alistair.  You would completely rip his heart out rather than sacrifice one night with him.  Damn you are selfish.

Honestly, I AM selfish. No pretending I'm not. Actually in love I'm always selfish. I don't know how about you but in love I'm as selfish as I can be and I never share my boyfriend with my other friends. Never. And I bet nor do you.

The only negative and selfish thing I really see about not letting Alistair take part in that ritual is preventing the future Grey Wardens from dying when they slay the next archdemon. Because that was part of the deal with Morrigan if I remember it correctly. On the other hand letting her conceive a god-child seems to be a very dangerous thing too, if you think about it. Especially when she revealed it was her prime reason to travel with you. Is it safe to trust her? What if something goes wrong and this god-child will pose as great threat to the world as the archdemon did? She might have only wanted to resurrect the old gods in their pure form but what do we know about her plans? She was always quite secretive about her plans.
This game is far from being black and white (which I like actually). For example your decision to help Harrowmond to become a king seemed to be the right one at the moment, but he proved himself a weak king later. Accepting Morrigan's deal might have large consequences later just like not accepting it. As my best friend's grandma says: "There are no good choices and bad choices. There are only lessons to be learned and every choice is a lesson." In other words: you can't never be wrong when you make a choice because it makes you grow. What is bad is making no choice at all, but you can't do that if you want to finish the game.
So the main question remains: what is the ultimate happy ending to this game? Because as much as I love its shades of grey I really would like to see one at least in my third or fourth playthrough.

[Syione]

Okay let me get this straight. Can I still be queen with Allistair if I'm a human mage?

[Spaceweed10]

Baher of Glory wrote...

@ OP:
Just out of curiosity, why would you want that crazy scumbag Loghain in your party?
I was soooo satisfied, when I got the option to let Alistair execute him and even more, when I saw his infamous daughter going to jail.

Pftt, Alistair is a snivelling little wimp.  He becomes a dirty drunk in my playthrough, who abandoned the country he was going to become King of?

Alistair put his own feelings before the safety of Ferelden, whereas all Loghain ever wanted was to serve the very same place.  Would Duncan have taken the same stance?  No.  Dealing with the Blight superceded all else.

If you read the books by David Gaiden, you will see how important this factor is, and by seeing some of the scenes in the game played out after he becomes a Warden, you will see how driven Loghain actually is.

[Kuravid]

Yanna01 wrote...

specter7237 wrote...

Yanna01 wrote...
Some of you really think it is okay to let your loved one not only sleep with another woman but even to impregnate her? Hello??? Bad, bad people.

Well you chose to let him die instead, I guess that was a better choice...
That would be selfish.  Even if you did end up sacrificing yourself like you intended, what a horrible thing to do to Alistair.  You would completely rip his heart out rather than sacrifice one night with him.  Damn you are selfish.

Honestly, I AM selfish. No pretending I'm not. Actually in love I'm always selfish. I don't know how about you but in love I'm as selfish as I can be and I never share my boyfriend with my other friends. Never. And I bet nor do you.

The only negative and selfish thing I really see about not letting Alistair take part in that ritual is preventing the future Grey Wardens from dying when they slay the next archdemon. Because that was part of the deal with Morrigan if I remember it correctly. On the other hand letting her conceive a god-child seems to be a very dangerous thing too, if you think about it. Especially when she revealed it was her prime reason to travel with you. Is it safe to trust her? What if something goes wrong and this god-child will pose as great threat to the world as the archdemon did? She might have only wanted to resurrect the old gods in their pure form but what do we know about her plans? She was always quite secretive about her plans.
This game is far from being black and white (which I like actually). For example your decision to help Harrowmond to become a king seemed to be the right one at the moment, but he proved himself a weak king later. Accepting Morrigan's deal might have large consequences later just like not accepting it. As my best friend's grandma says: "There are no good choices and bad choices. There are only lessons to be learned and every choice is a lesson." In other words: you can't never be wrong when you make a choice because it makes you grow. What is bad is making no choice at all, but you can't do that if you want to finish the game.
So the main question remains: what is the ultimate happy ending to this game? Because as much as I love its shades of grey I really would like to see one at least in my third or fourth playthrough.

To get even a moderately happy ending, be sure to steer clear of Alistair. Romance Zevran or Leliana or just avoid the whole lot and become drinking buddies with Oghren and/or study art history with Sten.

[Axterix]

TeenZombie wrote...

I know in one of the endings, Queen Anora closes off the alienages and makes life even more miserable for city elves.  More proof that she's too much like her father for my liking.

Yeah, that is her by herself.  She cracks down on them after they riot during a food shortage.

But personally speaking, if I was given the choice of having my husband father a child with someone else, or else one of us die, I'd go with the bad, selfish option and deal with the consequences later.  I've had a guy cheat on me in the past, but I've also had someone I loved very much die.  Can you guess which one hurt more?

But is the guy who cheated on your husband?  And how could that rear its ugly head in the future?

Plus, from a story perspective, staying true and dying is classic.  One night with a witch + a resulting son never works out well, take it from Arthur and Conan.  :happy:

[Recidiva]

I played my first game through and I was a human mage, broke my heart. He left me for duty and then sacrificed himself.

Read up on enough spoilers to know to be human noble and save him the second time. But I do think my first play through was the most "me" and so it affected me the most. Other play throughs haven't been as involving emotionally, though it's still an amazing game just trying to balance all the factors and get the endings I want (within reason) after putting information together in subsequent playthroughs.

[Querne]

imported_beer wrote...

The only thing I'm confused about is trying to tell the writers what they should have written. They had their vision of the story and characters and we should not begrudge them that. That said, sulking, being sad, wanting to kick puppies or lying down in a fetail position and ranting against everything is understandable.

*kicks puppies, lies down in  a fetal position and rants against everything*

I really hope It doesn´t sound as if I would tell them how the story should be written. That would be a bit crazy considering, that the story is so amazing, that I´m thinking for hours about moral decisions and I´m half ill because my pixel-lover will  probably pixel-sleep with witch-pixels. 
Perhaps somebody should verfiy my voting rights..

Please try to see me rather as a kind  religious person in a hopeless situation: Cursing the pixel-gods for my tragical fate and hoping for a wonder.
I´m afraid bioware has a little use for incense and goats.


*goes off searching for fat bloke model*




 

Modifié par Querne, 28 novembre 2009 - 03:11 .

[TanithAeyrs]

Just finished tonight with my Dalish rogue. She followed the romance path with Alistair, did not harden him with Goldanna (it would be like kicking a puppy) and gave him up after Landsmeet. She was heartbroken but she did convince him to sleep with Morrigan because she was afraid otherwise he would sacrifice himself to the Archdemon. My character despised Anora after her little farce and felt that for the good of Fereldan Alistair had to take the throne. She was sure that she could not convince Alistair to stay behind when it came time to fight the Archdemon.

These were all decisions my character struggled with and she is still not sure she made the right ones- dark fantasy indeed. Hats off to Bioware. I have just spent just over 100 hours on a game that made me laugh and cry and care about the characters and the land they live in.



Aithne (my character) is now Fereldan's chancellor, but she stil has to convince Alistair to marry and sire a child, so no happy endings, just bittersweet. Perhaps she should have sacrificed herself after all.

[Alarna]

It broke my heart to hear him say: No you cannot be my queen because blabla.



I am the one saving Ferelden from the Blight and I am not good enough for Ferelden as Queen?

Stupid bastards at Bioware.

[Hunter246]

you need to harden him if your not a noble female to stay with him when he marrys anora

[mopotter]

Yanna01 wrote...

specter7237 wrote...

Yanna01 wrote...
Some of you really think it is okay to let your loved one not only sleep with another woman but even to impregnate her? Hello??? Bad, bad people.

Well you chose to let him die instead, I guess that was a better choice...
That would be selfish.  Even if you did end up sacrificing yourself like you intended, what a horrible thing to do to Alistair.  You would completely rip his heart out rather than sacrifice one night with him.  Damn you are selfish.

Honestly, I AM selfish. No pretending I'm not. Actually in love I'm always selfish. I don't know how about you but in love I'm as selfish as I can be and I never share my boyfriend with my other friends. Never. And I bet nor do you.

The only negative and selfish thing I really see about not letting Alistair take part in that ritual is preventing the future Grey Wardens from dying when they slay the next archdemon. Because that was part of the deal with Morrigan if I remember it correctly. On the other hand letting her conceive a god-child seems to be a very dangerous thing too, if you think about it. Especially when she revealed it was her prime reason to travel with you. Is it safe to trust her? What if something goes wrong and this god-child will pose as great threat to the world as the archdemon did? She might have only wanted to resurrect the old gods in their pure form but what do we know about her plans? She was always quite secretive about her plans.
This game is far from being black and white (which I like actually). For example your decision to help Harrowmond to become a king seemed to be the right one at the moment, but he proved himself a weak king later. Accepting Morrigan's deal might have large consequences later just like not accepting it. As my best friend's grandma says: "There are no good choices and bad choices. There are only lessons to be learned and every choice is a lesson." In other words: you can't never be wrong when you make a choice because it makes you grow. What is bad is making no choice at all, but you can't do that if you want to finish the game.
So the main question remains: what is the ultimate happy ending to this game? Because as much as I love its shades of grey I really would like to see one at least in my third or fourth playthrough.

I agree, and I love your best friend's grandma quote sounds like something my grandmother would have said.   Of course she also said things like "why by a cow if the milk is free" to which I would reply "I am not a cow", but i digress.  

My complaint is the same as your's I think.   I would like to see one ultimate happy ending for my character be it male or female.   No sharing, no bargins, no strings.  There should be one ending where I see my character with Alistair not Morrigan and we both survive.  I don't need to be Queen, just two gray wardens who survived without Morrigan's sex magic.  Maybe I could kill her and discover the formula for this magic.  I was a mage after all.  :happy:
Then we could raise this god child and teach it love and goodness. 

I am also selfish and it may seem sweet and nice to sending Alistair to Morrigan so the two of you can live out your lives together, I just don't buy it.  My character would always wonder in the back of her mind if we are being compaired, if he resents my character asking that of him and the relationship would be filled with slow acting poison.  Not to mention if 16, 17 years later the kid shows up at the door and Alistair didn't know that was part of the bargain.

[mopotter]

imported_beer wrote...

There is not one person more upset by the situation as I am. But...

And I can promise you that in time - you'll either come to rationalize the decisions you make (sex with Morrigan isn't so bad because she will go away), feel better about the outcome you got (It seemed in character for Alistair to do that thing he did) or conversely completely avoid the game so as to not traumatize yourself any further. Either are valid options.

The only thing I'm confused about is trying to tell the writers what they should have written. They had their vision of the story and characters and we should not begrudge them that. That said, sulking, being sad, wanting to kick puppies or lying down in a fetail position and ranting against everything is understandable.

For me it's all about game choices.  BioWare is a great company and the story and characters are amazing.  My big problem is there are a number of choices for the ending, but no ultimate the world is saved, we will live out our lives without regret ending.  It wouldn't need to be the King and Queen rule for 30 years in peace, it could be the two gray wardens roaming the countryside for 30 years helping rebuild but it needs to be without the 3rd party sex magic.  As far as I'm concerned my mage could have killed Morrigan for the ritual but I resent sending him off to have sex with another women.

I did talk Alistair into having sex with Morrigan and I didn't tell him she would be getting pregnant.  Game
wise, I did not like watching Alistair and Morrigan.  If I'm going to
have a bedroom clip I want my character to be in it.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Yes it was the writers choice not to have this ending, but as a game player and owner of 12 out of 15 bioware games + a preordered ME2, I have no problem voicing my opinion.  They deserve all of the praise for Dragon Age, but they also deserve the complaints.  Otherwise they won't see any reason to make the ultimate happy ending along with all of the others in future games.  Personally I'd try out all of the choices but I want that one happy one.

And as to avoiding the game - once I've played thru all of the  options  I probably will avoid it until there is a mod that fixes it.  It's a good game, maybe a great game, but I'm not going to be playing it 2 years from now as it is.  I will still be playing Jade Empire and Mass Effect and even KOTOR 2 years from now. 

The main thing it has done in my case, is I will consider not preordering any more, waiting to see what the game is like before I buy it. 

[Visenya]

Querne wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

The only thing I'm confused about is trying to tell the writers what they should have written. They had their vision of the story and characters and we should not begrudge them that. That said, sulking, being sad, wanting to kick puppies or lying down in a fetail position and ranting against everything is understandable.

*kicks puppies, lies down in  a fetal position and rants against everything*

I really hope It doesn´t sound as if I would tell them how the story should be written. That would be a bit crazy considering, that the story is so amazing, that I´m thinking for hours about moral decisions and I´m half ill because my pixel-lover will  probably pixel-sleep with witch-pixels. 
Perhaps somebody should verfiy my voting rights..

Please try to see me rather as a kind  religious person in a hopeless situation: Cursing the pixel-gods for my tragical fate and hoping for a wonder.
I´m afraid bioware has a little use for incense and goats.


*goes off searching for fat bloke model*

Let's go to the streets and kick the puppies together and throw thrash can lids all around!

An image just flashed in my mind: two BioWare writers sitting and reading this thread, one elbowing the other saying: "Told you the girls wouldn't like the sex magic."

Um, I didn't like that Alistair wanted Loghain executed either. Making him a Grey Warden seemed logical choice. On the other hand what if you got a chance to make arl Howe a Grey Warden (while playing human noble), the very man who killed your whole family. Wouldn't you want to see him executed too? Dragon Age is full of heroes that aren't pure. Perhaps this moment was showing us that even Alistair, the knight in shiny armor, is still a human being whose mercy has its own limits.
I'm planning to explore other aspects of the game which means I'm going to recruit Loghain at some point. I only wish he could be recruited earlier than at Landsmeet.

Modifié par Yanna01, 28 novembre 2009 - 08:57 .

[Syione]

Hunter246 wrote...

you need to harden him if your not a noble female to stay with him when he marrys anora

  So even if I'm a mage we will still be lovers?  What if he rules alone, what if I don't harden him and put that lady(I don't remember her name) can he and I still be lovers?