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[Syione]

Hunter246 wrote...

you need to harden him if your not a noble female to stay with him when he marrys anora

 Okay so let me get this straight, if I harden him(human mage here) we will still be lovers. Right?  What if don't harden him and let the other lady take over,we'll still be together,right?  What if I want him to rule alone?  And if Logaine(sp) joins the Wardens, that breaks Allistair and me up right?  I was thinking about this at work..  Hey I have to have something to occupy my mind.

[Trouble Starter]

I would quest to hell and back for a real happy ending . Anyway, I just wish Alistair had talked with my PC afterwards about what happened. I mean, not details or anything, but just a reassurance that things were still okay between them. It would have made the whole ordeal less unsettling.

I hope that the designer will finally show mercy. Or a modder does.

At the moment I don´t like to play as far at all. ://

[AtreiyaN7]

Syione wrote...

Hunter246 wrote...

you need to harden him if your not a noble female to stay with him when he marrys anora

 Okay so let me get this straight, if I harden him(human mage here) we will still be lovers. Right?  What if don't harden him and let the other lady take over,we'll still be together,right?  What if I want him to rule alone?  And if Logaine(sp) joins the Wardens, that breaks Allistair and me up right?  I was thinking about this at work..  Hey I have to have something to occupy my mind.

1) Harden him, and yes, you can be his mistress for any non-human noble race/class combo.
2) If you don't harden him and tell Anora that you will give her your support BEFORE the Landsmeet so that she actually backs you up at the Landsmeeet instead of betraying you, then you can keep Alistair from becoming king and keep him for yourself (and yes, you stay in the Grey Wardens together - well, there are like two variations depending on whether or not you stay in Denerim/rebuild the Wardens).
3) Yes, if Loghain joins the Wardens, you break up, goodbye Alistair, etc. (unless you harden him, make him king & do some other stuff - well, you still break up, but he forgives you for doing it - still equals death of the romance however).

[Rappeldrache]

Querne wrote...

I´m playing through as city elf for the very first time now, romancing Alistair.

I spoilered myself accidently searching for something other and know now, that I
will have to let  Alistair sleep with Morrigan to save us both.

I..don´t want to.
Really, really don´t want!
I think it´s a little bit unfair towards girls, because guys romance either
Morrigan anyways or can fullfill the ritual without that Liliana knows (as far I
read in forums) wich is not the same
as "Please darling, be as nice and sleep with the aunt, I really don´t mind. May
I watch?"
Would be nice if the gamedesigner could consider next time, that women are
generally not very good in separating sex and love..but I think in RL most
people wouldn´t be very happy with this situation..

Any other ideas?

I would quest to hell and back for a real happy ending btw..

ME TOO! A Happy End should be possible for people who really wish it!
Thanks for your post!

I would pay a lot for a mod like this!

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[Joie de Combat]

Personally, I kind of like that there aren't any completely, unequivocally happy endings... that it's always at least a little bit bittersweet, and that sacrifices or compromises are required. It gives it more meaning, somehow.

[bobsmyuncle]

Syione wrote...

Hunter246 wrote...

you need to harden him if your not a noble female to stay with him when he marrys anora

  So even if I'm a mage we will still be lovers?  What if he rules alone, what if I don't harden him and put that lady(I don't remember her name) can he and I still be lovers?

You can stay with Alistair if:
1) You don't make him king at Landsmeet (support Anora instead)
2) You are a human noble, make him king and rule with him
3) You harden his personality, make him king, and convince him to let you stay on as his mistress.

If you want him to rule, your mage will need to harden his personality after the meeting with his sister, and then talk him into letting you be his mistress when he starts the "Sorry babe, gotta dump you" conversation at Landsmeet. If you don't care about him being king you can just keep on keepin' on. This is what I've done, Anora is a competent ruler and Eamon will just have to get over it :innocent:

[apantoliani]

I actually liked the ending the way it is. It made you as the player make some hard decisions, to me that is what made the game worth playing. There are no perfect endings, no white and black lines to stick with.



Just grey ones.

[Querne]

So finally I´m through.
Have to customize with not going to bed at 6 o´clock in the morning anymore and still I´m a bit confused, that people around me don´t have colored curls around their feet.

I tought about the consequences and finally did accept Morrigans offer. It was distrubing.
I really can´t  complain about Alistair, he clearly disliked the decision and the ritual, as I was masochistic enough to watch the cut scene..
But I really didn´t like Morrigans behaviour.
 
I would imagine that a women calling me her sister would find a more gentle way to get us over it.
Well,  perhaps I shouldn´t be surprised knowing  what happened to her mother. ^^

And I felt cheated of my last night before the battle. When else if not then? 
When the troopes marched I felt like the loneliest elf on earth.

I wish there was a cut scene, where we finally spend some time together or at least a kiss before the end of the world begins.
Just as the beginning of the romance was awsome, I missed some cut scenes appropriate to our relationship in end game. The shown ones were sometimes appearently made for all players and didn´t really take into account my former decisions - what involtunary catapulted me back to RL from time to time (horrid place, avoid it if you can).

But I went through, talked to Alistair about 20 times to ensure, that my unhardened love didn´t want to become king, thrusted Duncans shield into his hand to make sure, that he doesn´t forget the Grey Wardens (kk, particularly ONE grey Warden and I don´t mean Duncan) and made Anora Queen.
Didn´t feel bad about this choice. The epilog said, that the elves had some trouble with her, but remembering the 32432 orphans and veterans I had fed in my quarter,  I felt that I could have had trouble with them too.

So I killed the Demon, after Anoras coronation (who seemed a bit confused, beacuse she wanted to honour the fallen Alistair who was standing next to her) I talked to my templer, was delighted about our future as Grey Wardens and enjoyed the epilog, telling that I wen´t off ´to build up the Wardens with... Zevran...
WHAT?! 
I didn´t even sleep with this guy!!!
Why? Why does the king of ****s take a women he hasn´t even tested in the hay?! Ok, so I have unfortunatly romanced both. Never kissed him or licked post thingis or something like that and have chosen Alistair when asked, but somehow, somewhere he fell again in love with me afterwards. Poor thing.
No broken line about what happend to Alistair.

So I made a time journey, told Zevran the sad truth, killed the demon again (didn´t mind, I love the slow motion scenes when killing bosses, it painfully reminds me of Duncan) and finally got my "happy" end where Alistair and me rebuild the GWs.

Next character will be a noble fem. There´s meanwhile a mod for other races to get queen btw., but the Grey Warden ending was more going with my char and felt true.
Want to do more sidequests with my next and give me some more time till finale. Perhaps some new CLD or even an add on will come up.
But a second ritual? No. Don´t think so at the moment. It felt really bad. Seriously consider cheating or mods if they show up. The game is epic. The feeling to be the last wall against the breed was epic, especially in the deep roads was. I know now, that the story writers don´t have planned an happy end without ritual and perhaps I should bow to their will but..
 
All is fair in war and love.


PS: Branka must die. Even if I wouldn´t like to play through second time, this would be a good reason.

Modifié par Querne, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[Alarna]

In germany we say: I am feeling with you. Don't know how to say in english.



The story writers didn't thought about female gamers and their emotions. They didn't thought about male gamers and their emotions.



And I think the game is epic until it came to the landsmeet. From this time Alistair isn't Alistair and so much errors are in the game.

First thing, I load a savegame and made Anora queen, in the camp I spoke with Alistair and he said: I will be king. Hö????



As I had the choice to select the partymembers for the final battle, all companions came and said something, but then came Loghain and said sth. I killed him before.



I think, the game wasn't ready and the end was written in hurry. I hope Bioware will change that and give us other choices and endings.

[Kuravid]

Alarna wrote...

And I think the game is epic until it came to the landsmeet. From this time Alistair isn't Alistair and so much errors are in the game.
First thing, I load a savegame and made Anora queen, in the camp I spoke with Alistair and he said: I will be king. Hö????

Finally! Someone else who is disappointed with being offered the option to be Alistair's ho in the end. There is nothing epic/rewarding about becoming some guy's ho.

[totertot]

I think this is the only game I've felt like this about the ending. So many things can influence the type of end you get.

I personally will always take the happy ending. I hate games where the PC dies at the end.

[Aieth]

Why couldn't Riordan?... Stupid game

[Sidani]

My Dalish PC found this amusing when wandering the streets of Denerim after the landmeets decision:

Gossip 1: I think they should have made that Grey Warden queen.
Gossip 2: I hear that.

Seems like the "common folk" would like an even different ending!

[Recidiva]

Finally! Someone else who is disappointed with being offered the option to be Alistair's ho in the end. There is nothing epic/rewarding about becoming some guy's ho.

You underestimate the fun of living in sin and not having to go to the boring state events.  I value that.  I was chancellor anyway. 

[Visenya]

Querne wrote...

And I felt cheated of my last night before the battle. When else if not then? 
When the troopes marched I felt like the loneliest elf on earth.

I wish there was a cut scene, where we finally spend some time together or at least a kiss before the end of the world begins.

I agree. I love DA and I loved Mass Effect. Comparing the romances in these two games the grand finale in ME felt more satisfying. Can't say why or maybe I can. Because the main character spends the last night before the final battle with the person he/she loves. Shepard goes to the battle with inner peace (at least mine did ). In DA my poor elf could go into the battle either with her imagination running wild about what the hell Morrigan did with Alistair the last night or preparing for her own or Alistair's death. Not very comforting.
I must admit I was suspecting Morrigan to have her secret agenda from the start. I shouldn't have been surprised with her offer after all. But after all that bickering with Alistair... the ritual was particularly devilish idea. And I would willingly go through another ten battles with high dragons or archdemons or complete series of exceptionally tough quests to avoid that ritual to have my happy ending. I know. Happy endings are cheap, boring and so forth. But it's a game, right? I have plenty of time and space to fail in my real life. Let me be a puppies-kicking hero winning the whole prize at least in one variation of the game endings (and I don't mean the one where my PC can be a queen and Morrigan performs her ritual and gets away with it.)
But I love you anyway, guys.

Modifié par Yanna01, 29 novembre 2009 - 11:25 .

[Ulyn]

The ending where Alistair takes the throne while Logain is spared and sacrifices himself doesn't obviously have a romantic conclusion to it, but it might be considered more somewhat less hopeless than Alistair or the PC being killed. He does mellow afterwards and the PC can remain in Denerim; is he really going to stand up to his former boss and love interest forever?



Of course if the dark ritual ending is unacceptable on relationship grounds - rather than potential causing the apocalypse or something - than I guess one might not be able to view Alistair's breakup as a "temporary setback."

[Alarna]

Kuravid wrote...

Alarna wrote...

And I think the game is epic until it came to the landsmeet. From this time Alistair isn't Alistair and so much errors are in the game.
First thing, I load a savegame and made Anora queen, in the camp I spoke with Alistair and he said: I will be king. Hö????

Finally! Someone else who is disappointed with being offered the option to be Alistair's ho in the end. There is nothing epic/rewarding about becoming some guy's ho.

You didn't understand. I wasn't opted to be Alistairs ho and there isn't anything epic to become one, I agree.
The point is, if you make Anora queen and talk to Alistair later in camp, he tells you, that he will be king. That's a bug.
Is it logical, that Alistair makes a player queen at his side if she is noble but not if she is not, because of the impossibility to make a child? If you were noble or not, you be grey warden and that means it' doesn't matter.
But this is the reason for Alistair to throw you back. That's not logic and that's not the guy I see before.

Alistair will leave you if you make Loghain grey warden. But he make the ritual with Morrigan to create a monsterchild?

No. I accept, that the writers wanted to have a sequel with Morrigan and they want this end. But I have great problems to accept, that they disappoint and frustrate the players in the end without giving them an option to feel better.
For a sequel with Morrigan it doesn't matter who will be the father of the baby.

[Maria Caliban]

Alarna wrote...
The story writers didn't thought about female gamers and their emotions. They didn't thought about male gamers and their emotions.

I'm sure that the BioWriters think about the feelings of the players, male and female.

[OneBadAssMother]

My wife got slapped hard when her toon got dumped on her first playthrough, I ROFLED.



She hated him from then on, and turned bi again in bioware games.

[Silensfurtim]

the ladies reaction here makes the game more interesting

[LdyShayna]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Yes, there was crazy spell business. If you really pester Morrigan for details, she will say that it is a blood magic ritual. She also says that this was her whole purpose, to conceive a child with the soul of the old god. Morrigan is not a charity, she's not going to help you do the ritual and let you have this baby so that you can save Alistair from the absolute horror of sleeping with a really good-looking woman with no strings attached. Wow. How awful.

Heh.  The reason my first character would never do it was because I made her very devout, and there is no way should would enable the return of an Old God to the world after the Maker booted them.  To her, that would be an evil equivalent to making some sort of deal with the archdemon to, say, trade Orlais for Ferelden's safety or something like that. She also hasn't talked to Morrigan since she objected so vehemently to helping the people of Redcliffe.  Double plus wrong.  Of course, neither would she allow Alistair to sacrifice himself (nor do I as a player want to see that), so certain death awaits for her.  Which is all fine and dramatic, I guess, but as I noted - I've no interest in playing the character anymore, now that I've made that decision.  Meh?

Now, of course, I've started six other characters and played almost all 1/3 to 1/2 through the game, so though I haven't finished it, I've put quite a lot of time into the game.  To be honest, I haven't finished with my second, less devout human noble female because I'm writing a fanfic of it and don't want to get "too much ahead of myself", as it were.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Querne wrote...

Would be nice if the gamedesigner could consider next time, that women are
generally not very good in separating sex and love..but I think in RL most
people wouldn´t be very happy with this situation..

Actually I feel they know this thus why it is a TOUGH CHOICE... <_<

The whole game is based on choices you won't always like so why hem and haw over this. All three female characters I have are based on women I actually know and I made sure to consult them each instance. They managed just fine.

So yea, women and men can be very possessive with sex and love hence why the game made it a big issue for that choice being made. So no, I don't accept the "I'm a woman, I need a kid glove" plea...

[vocalemuse]

I actually had no problems at all letting Morrigan do the dark ritual, for one thing I don't think Alistair is "cheating" on your character as some have said, you asked him to sleep with her for crying out loud. xD He didn't go behind your back and do it, now THAT is what cheating would be. Secondly my character was friends with Morrigan, but even if she hadn't been... she knows that Morrigan doesn't like Alistair and vice versa, if she had another another male choice she'd likely go with him instead of Alistair; she even admits she'd have asked Riordan if the taint hadn't been so advanced in him already.

Not only that, but my character has no desire to ever see this child of hers and isn't going to track Morrigan down. Why? For the simple fact that Morrigan has been the must bluntly honest member of the group throughout the entirity of their adventures, regardless of the person's feelings she is speaking to. She sees no reason for her to suddenly start lying to them now, about why she wants the child and what she plans to do with it. I was honestly surprised that Alistair didn't seem too broken up over never being able to see the kid, but that works for my character just fine. XD

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:41 .