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[vocalemuse]

SleepyBird wrote...

Hahaha, if you think of all the people who played the game romancing Alistair he really gets around... He's worse than Zevron the cheating cad!

It's true. XD So much for Alistair "saving" his virginity I suppose!

Modifié par vocalemuse, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:49 .

[Statulos]

The moral choice for me as the hands that guides an epic character is simple: sex and they I stay alive or no sex and a warden dies. This is clear, sex. Because dead is not fun and I have better chances and fixing whatever the kid becomes being alive than dead.

Worst case scenario: another lizard on steroids but a speaking one. Great, I have sent 3 of those to hell during the course of the game.

[Saurel]

Worst case scenario: You doom a poor child to a lifetime of trauma as he/she is raised by Morrigan.

[Alarna]

That's horrible.

I don't think it's a good idea to newborn an old god....child or not...more than ever it's raised by Morrigan. Selfish and only interested in herself and power.



I decides to stop playing after Redcliffe, I will not end the game. Maybe in the future it's possible with a mod.

[OneBadAssMother]

So my elven mage got dumped by Alistair. I understand the arguments in support of this development but what exasperates me most is that he left it to the last minute to tell her. A *good* man would have warned the PC at the start of the romance: there were so many chances during those campfire chats about his birthright, the Wardens' limited lifespan - what better time to bring up the inability to have children?



A *decent* man would have told the PC in Arl Eamon's Denerim estate, after the PC had that chat with Anora. My PC asked him what he wanted; a natural response from Alistair would have been yes or no but either way "if he were king, we'd have to break up". But nooooo, not a word from him so the PC had to go to the Landsmeet and choose who to crown without any warning about how it would affect her.

Hahaha, you sound just like my wife who went "WTF OMFG" when her city elf got dumped. Found it rather amusing because she kept hitting me for supposedly not telling her - in which I had no simply idea that would happen!!!!!



She romanced him as a human noble on her queen playthrough but that was never the same it seems, she just didn't like him after that. In the end - a game character that can invoke emotions whether love or hate = that's Bioware and that's art! Heh

[Yorleen]

Querne wrote...
It´s an old-fashioned and romantic story and the relationship something special.  

Riona45 wrote...
OK, but I'm voicing my opinion that both parties need not be virgins for a relationship to be special.  I do not believe that the relationship is "more special" if both parties are virgins.  Again, to me that implies nothing less than a belief that sex "tarnishes" people, and I find that to be both silly and harmful.

My elven mage told Alistair that she had licked a lampost once - I just imagined her having tried "the thing" with another mage, out of curiosity, but the story with this mage didn't last... Alistair doesn't react bad to this, it doesn't change much.  He still confesses he's a virgin and you can either tell him it's cute or laugh at him.

[Yorleen]

Dunhart wrote...

When the time came to stick Alistair to do it on my female character, I had this vision of what should have happened afterwards when Alistair comes back to your room.

You: "I made a bath ready for you."
Alistair: "... I love you so much right now."

Oh, that's what I had in mind yesterday evening when I thought of the "after the ritual" time, when Alistair comes back to the PC... It must feels so awkward at first for the both of them... This bath would take away Morrigan's perfume from his skin and would thus help him feel less "dirty" (I believe it may be the way he feels, having to impregnate a woman he doesn't love whereas his heart belongs genuily to another one). The PC may help him wash, in a way it would maybe also ease her mind since SHE asked him to do this.

[amor platonicus]

So.. I take it if you tell Morrigan to leave early in the game, she just pops back up later? Surely someone's tried this in order to save their beloved Alistair from a gruesome fate. I'm not willing to try it myself, not on the first play-through, because mages make encounters absurdly easy.

[TheLadyJess]

The way I look at it is like this: Morrigan is a necessary evil, therefore she needs to be seen as such. I began a romance with the Prince and had no problem with the Dark Ritual seeing as it was for the greater good. I didn't want to die and I sure as hell didn't want Alistair to die, so I made that sacrifice. Love isn't all sunshine and rainbows. We all do crazy things in the name of and for the one we love...

[amor platonicus]

I completely agree, Demeira.



This game appears to be a Dark Fantasy that faces you with decisions more like ones you would face in real life. I think if I got to the end with a "sunshine and rainbows" ending, I just wouldn't think it's as good a game. It's simply not realistic to have a person (Alistair) with no flaws what-so-ever. Not that I want COMPLETE realism in my fantasy games, but it certainly makes a game more playable when I can relate to the characters because NOT EVERYONE IS PERFECT.

[Zeluna]

Taleroth wrote...

Baher of Glory wrote...

@ OP:
Just out of curiosity, why would you want that crazy scumbag Loghain in your party?

Not the OP, but I imagine someone feels the same as I.

I wouldn't.  But I didn't agree with executing him on the spot.

I totally agree I did not like executing him on the spot. The game did not even give me a choice to have Allistair stop the execution. He is the one who faught him and not my archer since melee is not her strong suit at all. All the cutscene did was have Allistair look at me and my toon does a subtle nod to go ahead and finish this execution. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED!!! The cutscene did the choice for me this is RIDICULOUS!

I made a promise to his daughter for him to see justice but not in this way! I did not roleplay all my choices for every person inside a cage with the option to kill them and didn't and only to get a cutscene to make the untimate choice for me to slaughter someone. You have let me down Bioware. This was the culmination of the story just about and NOT WHAT I WANTED!

Had I been given a menu choice to stay Allistair's hand to finish him. I would have taken the logical choice to not slay him. But I never got this choice.

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:34 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Yelina wrote...

I totally agree I did not like executing him on the spot. The game did not even give me a choice to have Allistair stop the execution. He is the one who faught him and not my archer since melee is not her strong suit at all. All the cutscene did was have Allistair look at me and my toon does a subtle nod to go ahead and finish this execution. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED!!! The cutscene did the choice for me this is RIDICULOUS!

I disagree - if he's fighting the man, you think he's just going to stop at the last minute? It's like asking your husband to cook dinner while you take a bath, then you are surprised that he added tuna and peas to a box of Mac-n-cheese.

You left it up to him and he did what he wanted to do.

[OneBadAssMother]

I disagree - if he's fighting the man, you think he's just going to stop at the last minute? It's like asking your husband to cook dinner while you take a bath, then you are surprised that he added tuna and peas to a box of Mac-n-cheese.

Hey! xD

Had I been given a menu choice to stay Allistair's hand to finish him. I would have taken the logical choice to not slay him. But I never got this choice.

At that stage when he's that close to having his revenge, trying to stay his blade would end up with the female PC being hurt. It's like if Leliana tried to stop me killing Howe... my blade would have accidently 'slipped'.

[Zeluna]

KCFender wrote...

I was actually really upset with Alistair's character. When you put him to the test, he hates Loghain more than he hates the Blight. He's a pus, and I'll probably always pick Loghain over him. My first playthrough I romanced Alistair and made him King... but then later he wanted to to break up because I'm just a city elf and that wouldn't be proper for me to be with the King... Way to stand up for your woman, little man. He eventually locates his sac when the Archdemon comes to town, and offers to ultimately sacrifice himself for the greater good. I said, "Good. Yeah. Do that. Later King."

Next playthrough, I decide to hear Loghain out a little bit. Alistair goes all loco about it and decides to leave! Really?! The little follower decides killing the Blight isn't all important now that it doesn't jive with his politics? Killing the Blight and saving mankind is just too hard with your feelings so hurt? Well, I didn't miss him. He can stay gone. A snarky, little follower, totally unfit for leadership, and totally oblivious to his own hypocrisies. I'd rather have a coniving lunatic like Loghain than a wimp like that.

This is why I'm so upset at this game, by having Allistair execute Loghain (he faught in my sted, an archer versus a Plate wearing maniac is just not an even fight) without my authority just pisses me off. I did not want Loghain killed and this game's cutscene did the decision for me!

[Zeluna]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Yelina wrote...

I totally agree I did not like executing him on the spot. The game did not even give me a choice to have Allistair stop the execution. He is the one who faught him and not my archer since melee is not her strong suit at all. All the cutscene did was have Allistair look at me and my toon does a subtle nod to go ahead and finish this execution. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED!!! The cutscene did the choice for me this is RIDICULOUS!

I disagree - if he's fighting the man, you think he's just going to stop at the last minute? It's like asking your husband to cook dinner while you take a bath, then you are surprised that he added tuna and peas to a box of Mac-n-cheese.

You left it up to him and he did what he wanted to do.

sorry double post. Silly nonupdating Forum >.<

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:56 .

[Zeluna]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Yelina wrote...

I totally agree I did not like executing him on the spot. The game did not even give me a choice to have Allistair stop the execution. He is the one who faught him and not my archer since melee is not her strong suit at all. All the cutscene did was have Allistair look at me and my toon does a subtle nod to go ahead and finish this execution. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED!!! The cutscene did the choice for me this is RIDICULOUS!

I disagree - if he's fighting the man, you think he's just going to stop at the last minute? It's like asking your husband to cook dinner while you take a bath, then you are surprised that he added tuna and peas to a box of Mac-n-cheese.

You left it up to him and he did what he wanted to do.

No, no no! in the cutscene Allistair looks over at my Archer and asks for her approval to end him. My toon does a nod and he finishes him off. This is NOT what I wanted. The cutscene did the deciding for me. If the cutscene is at the point of him being on the ground beaten it should STOP and let me make a choice. There was none!

I wanted him to be beaten and humiliated and maybe even imprisoned but slaughtered like that with his daughter watching all this its just wrong in my book. I'm very disappointed in Bioware at this one incredibly huge decision choice that was left out of my hands.

He could be an incredible asset in future expantion of this game. I mean it was becuase of him that the Orlesian empire was removed from Feraldon. His excuse for abandoning the battle at Ostrager were actually very sound considering all the choices. Again, it was left out of my hands and now in my world he is dead. BAD MOVE BIOWARE!

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:58 .

[Wrathra]

Yelina wrote...

This is why I'm so upset at this game, by having Allistair execute Loghain (he faught in my sted, an archer versus a Plate wearing maniac is just not an even fight) without my authority just pisses me off. I did not want Loghain killed and this game's cutscene did the decision for me!

This fight is something I think the game did absolutely right (Alistair vs. Loghain). Alistair made up his own mind. Awesome! I liked that he did what he felt he needed to do.

Though to be fair, I do understand your frustration with the nodding thing.

Edit: to clarify.

Modifié par Wrathra, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:50 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Interesting how a 1-second piece of detail can mean a lot. I've mostly forgotten that detail.

[SarEnyaDor]

If you had let ANYONE other than Alistair you would have had the choice, but you let Alistair do the fight and he used his spine. It is perfect. It is Alistair.



You gave up your choice when you let Alistair be your champion. I once let Wynne battle Loghain. It was long, but she got it done in the end.

[Zeluna]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Interesting how a 1-second piece of detail can mean a lot. I've mostly forgotten that detail.

Like the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. They can be great pawns in the future. Dispatching nobility and higher ranks of the military is just a logically stupid move given there were so many nobles at this gathering. The landsmeet is not where u assassinate someone. You jail them then you get them to confess and help you with information and you do it behind closed doors like the real nobility did in ages past LOL

When it comes to rivalry with nobility its not a slugfest like you are in some low class pub. Its a subtle pawn moving game thats played and real intentions are never fully revealed. This is why I loved this game up until this very part.

Real nobility (a future king like Allistair and a current standing general) would NEVER slay each other in a room full of other nobels. It has to be more subtle in this area of politics.

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:14 .

[Wrathra]

Yelina wrote...

Real nobility (a future king like Allistair and a current standing general) would NEVER slay each other in a room full of other nobels. It has to be more subtle in this area of politics.

To be fair, the Revered Mother stated that duels were how disputes were settled in the past (I forget the exact words - sorry!).

Of course, that was after the landsmeet erupted into a brawl, I don't remember if she said it if you had the support of the entire landsmeet.

Modifié par Wrathra, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:11 .

[Zeluna]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

If you had let ANYONE other than Alistair you would have had the choice, but you let Alistair do the fight and he used his spine. It is perfect. It is Alistair.

You gave up your choice when you let Alistair be your champion. I once let Wynne battle Loghain. It was long, but she got it done in the end.

yes but the point is that the cutscene has Allistair looking to me for my approval as the leader of our group before he finishes him off. He isn't doing the deciding he looks to me to make the decision (quite a stupid thing to do since as a future King you need to make your own decisions). But the game never let me make that ultimate choice!

There is a conversation that Allistair has between Lelianna or Morrigan during our many adventures where she asks if he likes to be a leader or a follower and he clearly says he likes to follow. I pushed him to become King because he had a better ability to unite the Kingdom and fight the Blight (and future Blights in expantions) then Anora did.

[Zeluna]

Wrathra wrote...

Yelina wrote...

Real nobility (a future king like Allistair and a current standing general) would NEVER slay each other in a room full of other nobels. It has to be more subtle in this area of politics.

To be fair, the Revered Mother stated that duels were how disputes were settled in the past (I forget the exact words - sorry!).

Of course, that was after the landsmeet erupted into a brawl, I don't remember if she said it if you had the support of the entire landsmeet.

you are correct in this but quite silly since its a diplomatic gathering of nobles that results in a death of one of its guests lol I am to blame for that death becuase Allistair clearly looks to me to make the final decision and I do not have a choice as to what it is!

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:13 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I guess this was a failure to communicate between you and Alistair - he obviously thought you were having him duel to end the punk's life, and you thought he was looking to you for approval, and thus nodded, but he was actually only looking at you to nod his thanks for giving him the chance to give Loghain the what-for.

[Zeluna]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I guess this was a failure to communicate between you and Alistair - he obviously thought you were having him duel to end the punk's life, and you thought he was looking to you for approval, and thus nodded, but he was actually only looking at you to nod his thanks for giving him the chance to give Loghain the what-for.

It is a very pleasureable thing to vanquish someone who killed Duncan, I can see that, but if the game has him look to me for a choice I should be the one to make it. Killing a person because they killed someone you have great admiration for will never bring them back and Loghain could be a huge asset in the future. Oh well, cest la vie =/

And it certainly does not look well for a future King to personally do the killing in front of a gathering of nobility. Unless you want to be known as a tyrant who executes anyone if u cross him. Which I doubt Allistair would want to be seen as.

Modifié par Yelina, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:21 .