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[RogueWriter3201]

wicked_being wrote...

The synethetics wipe out organics that could eventually make synethetics that could wipe out organics. Vicious cycle.

I love Organic Life, so I will become Inorganic Life in Order to Destroy Organic Life so that Organic Life doesn’t create Inorganic Life that destroys Organic Life. 
Wow. Game of the Year! 10/13. Here’s my 60 frakking dollars and $35 for all the DLC up front, please shovel poop in my mouth…

[Heathen Pride]

It's just lame. The dark matter/dark energy reason was better but Drew quit so they had to quickly throw something together.

[Legendaryred]

Heathen Pride wrote...

It's just lame. The dark matter/dark energy reason was better but Drew quit so they had to quickly throw something together.

Can you tell me what was that dark energy reason? 

[omgBAMF]

The reapers are machines that kill people so those people can't make machines that kill people.

Brilliant!

[Treopod]

This is stupid, cause organic life doesnt need to take the sentient AI path once they get technologically advanced, instead they can evolve themselves by improving their own minds and intellect through technology(gene manipulation or with microchips in the brain).

This means they would achieve technological singularity while still retaining their organic minds and free will, and if they did that they would not have any use for real sentient AI:s so they would not create that, which means there is no threat or vicious cycle.

And i guess the Reapers would be similar to that, i mean they are transcended organics that uploaded their minds into hybrid machine/cyborg bodies.

Only difference is that they put some kind of limiting programming onto themselves so they lack free will/sentience i guess to prevent technological singularity, i really dont see why they did that
though, cause a singularity achieved through organic intelligence cannot be a bad thing right?

they are not real AI:s afterall, they only enhance their own minds through technology, in fact they would not even have to upload themselves, they could achieve that intelligence in their regular humanoids bodies and build ships like the reapers to fly in instead.

[Kanon777]

God dammit you guys are stupid...
The reapers kill SPACE FARING CIVILIZATIONS, NOT ALL LIFE...

Anyone here ever played a game called Mass Effect 1?

[push2play]

Possibly not even all space faring civilizations but those who have reached a certain level of advancement. Essentially they reboot the galaxy every time civilizations reach the potential of creating a technological singularity that may annihilate ALL life and preserve the essence of those civilizations in new Reapers.

[Aesieru]

Sometimes I wonder if any of you even try to use your brains, or if you just insult anything you don't agree with whether you understand it or not.

[Treopod]

Aesieru wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if any of you even try to use your brains, or if you just insult anything you don't agree with whether you understand it or not.

there is no way you can defend this ending, people have seen it for themselves and their criticism is highly valid. Horrible voice casting for the Guardian, horrible reasoning for the cycle, horrible melodrama by separating shepard from his crew regardless of how much GaW you have gained (making it a pointless stat), and its also a blatant rip off of BSG, a show which also has a horrible ending. 

[Kanon777]

Aesieru wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if any of you even try to use your brains, or if you just insult anything you don't agree with whether you understand it or not.

I dont think they use their brains at all, just try to find any reason to dislike it no matter how wrong the facts they have is.

Most of the internet acts like this tho. I'll say this again:

THE REAPERS DONT DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY EVERY 50K years /tread

[Kanon777]

Treopod wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if any of you even try to use your brains, or if you just insult anything you don't agree with whether you understand it or not.

there is no way you can defend this ending, people have seen it for themselves and their criticism is highly valid. Horrible voice casting for the Guardian, horrible reasoning for the cycle, horrible melodrama by separating shepard from his crew regardless of how much GaW you have gained (making it a pointless stat), and its also a blatant rip off of BSG, a show which also has a horrible ending. 

Just because you cant have your blue waifu dosent mean the reaper part is a plot hole, youre just attacking the story without THINKING...

[Obro]

This is the dumbest ****ing reason they could have think of. I mean really? Kill them just so someone else doesnt kill them? Really? REALLY? What was all the talk with Sovereign in the first ME all about then?

Was he just bull****ting?

[Aesieru]

tobito113 wrote...

Treopod wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if any of you even try to use your brains, or if you just insult anything you don't agree with whether you understand it or not.

there is no way you can defend this ending, people have seen it for themselves and their criticism is highly valid. Horrible voice casting for the Guardian, horrible reasoning for the cycle, horrible melodrama by separating shepard from his crew regardless of how much GaW you have gained (making it a pointless stat), and its also a blatant rip off of BSG, a show which also has a horrible ending. 

Just because you cant have your blue waifu dosent mean the reaper part is a plot hole, youre just attacking the story without THINKING...

I like Liara....

[Aesieru]

Obro wrote...

This is the dumbest ****ing reason they could have think of. I mean really? Kill them just so someone else doesnt kill them? Really? REALLY? What was all the talk with Sovereign in the first ME all about then?

Was he just bull****ting?

Use your brains and you'll see that this was in line with what he was mentioning. We already proved this in a huge thread.

[jmaster888]

I think the reason is pretty good and I thought we weren't supposed to understand it like sovereign said in mass effect 1.

[Obro]

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

This is the dumbest ****ing reason they could have think of. I mean really? Kill them just so someone else doesnt kill them? Really? REALLY? What was all the talk with Sovereign in the first ME all about then?

Was he just bull****ting?

Use your brains and you'll see that this was in line with what he was mentioning. We already proved this in a huge thread.

Oh yes you're right because Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding translates to "our reason is so bat**** retarded you wouldn't believe it even if I told you"

Modifié par Obro, 04 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[darkangelvxvx]

 So... The Reapers took over the Geth in the first 2 games, to prevent the Geth from taking over the galaxy.  But in turn, The Reapers will ultimately extinguish all advanced life in the galaxy, to prevent this from happening.
In the end, they'll allow "non-evolved" life to continue on...



Did I just watch a Wachowski Brother's film?  Seriously?  The ending to this game feels just as slipshaw as the ending to that horrible film!













*For those who want to read  Here's the Architect's speech word-for-word*

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****."*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bull****!"*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.  

Modifié par darkangelvxvx, 04 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Kanon777]

Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

This is the dumbest ****ing reason they could have think of. I mean really? Kill them just so someone else doesnt kill them? Really? REALLY? What was all the talk with Sovereign in the first ME all about then?

Was he just bull****ting?

Use your brains and you'll see that this was in line with what he was mentioning. We already proved this in a huge thread.

Oh yes you're right because Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding translates to "our reason is so bat**** retarded you wouldn't believe it even if I told you"

He said they couldnt understand because the reapers are above any sense of morality and the only thing organics can think of is their desire of self-preservation. The reapers believe we must die for the rest of the galaxy to be safe from AI (the other non space faring lifeforms).

Its like trying to tell a pig/cow before being slaugther that its dying for a greater good (feeding others), you dont expect it to just undrstand it and accept it. Thats the reapers perspective...

[Kanon777]

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So... The Reapers took over the Geth in the first 2 games, to prevent the Geth from taking over the galaxy.  But in turn, The Reapers will ultimately extinguish all advanced life in the galaxy, to prevent this from happening.
In the end, they'll allow "non-evolved" life to continue on...

Did you forget legion himself said the reapers were just using the Geth.  DID YOU EVEN PLAY MASS EFFECT 2?

This board is just crazy...

Modifié par tobito113, 04 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Obro]

^
So reapers perspective is that creatures who achieved space travel/art/science/ect don't understand the meaning of sacrifice? Are you kidding me?

[darkangelvxvx]

tobito113 wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So... The Reapers took over the Geth in the first 2 games, to prevent the Geth from taking over the galaxy.  But in turn, The Reapers will ultimately extinguish all advanced life in the galaxy, to prevent this from happening.
In the end, they'll allow "non-evolved" life to continue on...

Did you forget legion himself said the reapers were just using the Geth.  DID YOU EVEN PLAY MASS EFFECT 2?

This board is just crazy...

My understanding was that the Geth that sided with the reapers WANTED to be given a future, not that they were being used.  There is a difference.

[Vaenier]

So the Geth are just minding their own business building the best computer ever when one day a Reaper appears. "Hello Geth, I need you to help me kill all organics in the galaxy."
The Geth looked and asked "Why should we kill all organics? We are happy to stay here and just build our computer and be left alone."
The Reaper replies "Because if you dont help me, AI like you will kill all organic life in the galaxy."
The Geth thought long and hard to reach consensus. "So you wish us AI to exterminate all organic life in the galaxy to prevent AI from exterminating all organic life in the galaxy?"
"Yes."
"No."
"I will give you a awsome ship and let you heng with us."
"Deal."

[Kanon777]

darkangelvxvx wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So... The Reapers took over the Geth in the first 2 games, to prevent the Geth from taking over the galaxy.  But in turn, The Reapers will ultimately extinguish all advanced life in the galaxy, to prevent this from happening.
In the end, they'll allow "non-evolved" life to continue on...

Did you forget legion himself said the reapers were just using the Geth.  DID YOU EVEN PLAY MASS EFFECT 2?

This board is just crazy...

My understanding was that the Geth that sided with the reapers WANTED to be given a future, not that they were being used.  There is a difference.

The geth are the same as Saren, they never knew what the reapers real intentions where. They would get the Protean/Colectors treatment (at best).

[Kanon777]

Vaenier wrote...

So the Geth are just minding their own business building the best computer ever when one day a Reaper appears. "Hello Geth, I need you to help me kill all organics in the galaxy."
The Geth looked and asked "Why should we kill all organics? We are happy to stay here and just build our computer and be left alone."
The Reaper replies "Because if you dont help me, AI like you will kill all organic life in the galaxy."
The Geth thought long and hard to reach consensus. "So you wish us AI to exterminate all organic life in the galaxy to prevent AI from exterminating all organic life in the galaxy?"
"Yes."
"No."
"I will give you a awsome ship and let you heng with us."
"Deal."

Yeah lets forget that the geth NEVER KNEW NEW WHAT THE REAPERS ACTUALLY WANTED....

[Aesieru]

Obro wrote...

^
So reapers perspective is that creatures who achieved space travel/art/science/ect don't understand the meaning of sacrifice? Are you kidding me?

You achieved it by fumbling with technology you barely understood, we're copy cats in that regard, we just happened to expand quick.

And yes, there is a much larger realm of existence beyond that which Humanity knows, and Humanity would never kill itself to save hundreds of trillions of potential lives.