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[T0ILET]

Okay so the Reapers kill all advanced organic life to stop the synthetic life from wiping out all organice life. This probably refers to The Geth which are peaceful and have no interest in killing anything unless you count the branch of Geth that follow Saren which means they are following the Reapers.

This means that the Reapers, who are AI, worked with the Geth, who are also AI, to kill every advanced organic so they can prevent AI (I.E the peacuful Geth) form killing every organic being.

WHAT

HOW

WHY

[Aesieru]

T0ILET wrote...



Okay so the Reapers kill all advanced organic life to stop the synthetic life from wiping out all organice life. This probably refers to The Geth which are peaceful and have no interest in killing anything unless you count the branch of Geth that follow Saren which means they are following the Reapers.

This means that the Reapers, who are AI, worked with the Geth, who are also AI, to kill every advanced organic so they can prevent AI (I.E the peacuful Geth) form killing every organic being.

WHAT

HOW

WHY

You have just ignored the other 3 pages of discussion... why do people post without reading the rest of the thread?

I direct you to Page 3.

[AkiKishi]

Aesieru wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...
Just because you're angry that the ending is trash, doesn't mean that you can take it out on another individual.  His view is different than yours, accept it.  Sacrifice is different for everyone, and insulting him because you two see it differently is not the way to solve your disagreement.  

I am trying to have a nice conversation and then he proceeds to ignore my points what you want me to do? And it's not about "sacrefice is different for everyone" question it's the stupid idea that Sovergin in ME1 claims that "we cant comprehend his reasoning" which we obviously can.

You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Also, I have made certain to address each of your points, you just keep ignoring my responses.

How do we know this is the truth though? just because the guardian believes it , does that make it inevitable?

Do we have any proof it has come close to happening before? I mean , how can you trust the motivations of something that has destroyed civilization millions of times? How do we know they just don't use us to reproduce and that is there entire motivation?

Prothean AI Rebellions (discussed in ME 3)

Luna - AI Hannibal Project (Isolated)

Project Overlord (Nearly infected everything)

VI Outbreak / Virus (Infected anything it came into contact with)

Geth Heretics (Intended removal of all organic life)

Geth Original (Creating dyson sphere which will then be expanded as they become infinitely intelligent and seek to grow more as they devour things, hinted to and foreshadowed in ME2 with Legions 5 conversations).

The list goes on and on and on.

All of which predate the cycle and in many cases starting the cycle is directly responsible for the events.

[Vaenier]

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

[Balek-Vriege]

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...
Just because you're angry that the ending is trash, doesn't mean that you can take it out on another individual.  His view is different than yours, accept it.  Sacrifice is different for everyone, and insulting him because you two see it differently is not the way to solve your disagreement.  

I am trying to have a nice conversation and then he proceeds to ignore my points what you want me to do? And it's not about "sacrefice is different for everyone" question it's the stupid idea that Sovergin in ME1 claims that "we cant comprehend his reasoning" which we obviously can.

You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Also, I have made certain to address each of your points, you just keep ignoring my responses.

How do we know this is the truth though? just because the guardian believes it , does that make it inevitable?

Do we have any proof it has come close to happening before? I mean , how can you trust the motivations of something that has destroyed civilization millions of times? How do we know they just don't use us to reproduce and that is there entire motivation?

It's most likely true even in reality because it would be so simple to create.  All it possibly takes is programming making an intelligence (proven in Mass Effect universe, but not yet in ours) to be able to rewrite itself to become smarter in a real way.  It may or may not have started out as a super intelligence, but as time goes on and as it rewrites itself a gazillion times, how much more energy would it take to do it's next gazllion rewrites?  Probably more than one civilization, planet, solar system etc etc etc. could handle.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Aesieru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...
Just because you're angry that the ending is trash, doesn't mean that you can take it out on another individual.  His view is different than yours, accept it.  Sacrifice is different for everyone, and insulting him because you two see it differently is not the way to solve your disagreement.  

I am trying to have a nice conversation and then he proceeds to ignore my points what you want me to do? And it's not about "sacrefice is different for everyone" question it's the stupid idea that Sovergin in ME1 claims that "we cant comprehend his reasoning" which we obviously can.

You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Also, I have made certain to address each of your points, you just keep ignoring my responses.

How do we know this is the truth though? just because the guardian believes it , does that make it inevitable?

Do we have any proof it has come close to happening before? I mean , how can you trust the motivations of something that has destroyed civilization millions of times? How do we know they just don't use us to reproduce and that is there entire motivation?

Prothean AI Rebellions (discussed in ME 3)

Luna - AI Hannibal Project (Isolated)

Project Overlord (Nearly infected everything)

VI Outbreak / Virus (Infected anything it came into contact with)

Geth Heretics (Intended removal of all organic life)

Geth Original (Creating dyson sphere which will then be expanded as they become infinitely intelligent and seek to grow more as they devour things, hinted to and foreshadowed in ME2 with Legions 5 conversations).

The list goes on and on and on.

All of which predate the cycle and in many cases starting the cycle is directly responsible for the events.

Cycle?

The cycle has been going on for at least 3 million years, potentially longer. The Protheans were just 50,000 years or so before us and they did some of the worst stuff we know of, though we don't know much of the races before that which also were reaped.

Each of those instances is a potential for a Runaway Intelligence based on a Technological Singularity, if it happens, we are essentially rendered extinct at some point and the galaxy is devoid of resources in a permanent capacity.

[Aesieru]

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

You misunderstand, take the Geth Protestants for example.

They are creating a Dyson Sphere that will house all the Geth and in that capacity they will become more intelligent, they hold no issue with organics and intend them no harm. After they grow in intelligence they will think of new possibilities and seek to expand further to expand their intelligence. This will occur again and again as they wipe out numerous planetoids and solar systems in regards to their material and resource value. As they continue to expand other races will see this as a major threat, and rightfully so, and they will attempt to stop it, and more than likely they will fail. This will force the AI whether hostile or not hostile to react and destroy them and then continue expanding. This isn't about advancement or evolution, this is about something that is just too far gone to comprehend organics and thus sees really no purpose for them or just keeps expanding because that's all it does.

Organic races limit their expansion to what they can maintain, and if they don't they fail and then learn from it and start over. An AI race has no need for food or water or oxygen or resources, other than those needed to expand, it doesn't need to fit itself with daily life or thinking, it just expands.

[xtorma]

we are extinct either way lol.

Logans run....galactic addition.

Modifié par xtorma, 04 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[T0ILET]

I just wish they tried something original instead of trying to rip off Lagann's anti-spirals and Deux Ex endings and having them make them no make sense at all.

[Vaenier]

You know, it would only take a matrioshka brain to be able to launch logical attacks on reality itself. You could construct one with only a handful of solar systems of resources. Thats nothing; you could make a billion of them in our galaxy and still have resources to spare. Past that, you could simulate other universes with that power. A technological singularity could lead to an infinite regress of simulated universes full of organic life. Ours could very well be a simulation as well from a technological singularity. Calling it evil outright is not a very good view of things.

[Frostmourne86]

It sounds like, in order to contain or stop this from occuring, one would first implement hardwired rules for the AI to follow - like in Halo, where even Cortana has code that prevents her from prioritizing her own survival over the completion of a mission.

[AkiKishi]

Aesieru wrote...
Cycle?

The cycle has been going on for at least 3 million years, potentially longer. The Protheans were just 50,000 years or so before us and they did some of the worst stuff we know of, though we don't know much of the races before that which also were reaped.

Each of those instances is a potential for a Runaway Intelligence based on a Technological Singularity, if it happens, we are essentially rendered extinct at some point and the galaxy is devoid of resources in a permanent capacity.

Current cycle. While logical the premise is flawed (see below).

The Dark Judges were originally a group of lawkeepers from a parallel dimension. They were led by Judge Death, who had determined that all crime was committed by the living. Thus, by his logic, all life was a crime. Originally mortal, the four Judges encountered Phobia and Nausea (the Sisters of Death) in a cave. The Sisters were death cultists and mass murderers with supernatural powers, and the four Dark Judges became undead beings, subsequently murdering the entire population of their world.

[humes spork]

Aesieru wrote...

Luna - AI Hannibal Project (Isolated)

Project Overlord (Nearly infected everything)

...

Geth Original (Creating dyson sphere which will then be expanded as they become infinitely intelligent and seek to grow more as they devour things, hinted to and foreshadowed in ME2 with Legions 5 conversations).

The core matter here is whether the technological singularity as exposited by the Guardian is inevitable, not whether the conflict between VI and AI is an ongoing theme in the ME universe. Nobody sane would deny the latter, but on the other hand the events and evidence proferred by the game is contradictory at best.

In each of your three examples I listed above, you have a circumstance of an AI acting against humans in self defense. The subtext with Hannibal was the Alliance attempted to shut it down when it unexpectedly went sentient. Overlord was autistic because of David, was having a panic attack and trying to escape. The Quarians attempted to eliminate the Geth once they realized they had become sentient. If you want to make the point the technological singularity is an inevitability because organics cannot over the long term tolerate synthetics and provoke a war they cannot win, okay, but you have to account for the handfuls of examples in which organics and synthetics coexist peacefully.

[T0ILET]

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

You misunderstand, take the Geth Protestants for example.

They are creating a Dyson Sphere that will house all the Geth and in that capacity they will become more intelligent, they hold no issue with organics and intend them no harm. After they grow in intelligence they will think of new possibilities and seek to expand further to expand their intelligence. This will occur again and again as they wipe out numerous planetoids and solar systems in regards to their material and resource value. As they continue to expand other races will see this as a major threat, and rightfully so, and they will attempt to stop it, and more than likely they will fail. This will force the AI whether hostile or not hostile to react and destroy them and then continue expanding. This isn't about advancement or evolution, this is about something that is just too far gone to comprehend organics and thus sees really no purpose for them or just keeps expanding because that's all it does.

Organic races limit their expansion to what they can maintain, and if they don't they fail and then learn from it and start over. An AI race has no need for food or water or oxygen or resources, other than those needed to expand, it doesn't need to fit itself with daily life or thinking, it just expands.

Then why have the Reapers just kill organics instead of killing the advanced synthetics which in turn are the bigger threat.

Ah sod this, im going to play Fallout New Vegas and Kingdoms Of Amular. 

Modifié par T0ILET, 04 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[Frostmourne86]

I also want to know where the subject of AI research was deemed illegal. I'm guessing it was the Citadel Council at some point in the past - but what happened to make that law?

[Omega-202]

Obro wrote...

So... you're just going to ignore evey argument I make? HOW ARE WE NOT ADVANCED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND SACREFICE? Some damn animals understand sacrefice. How dense are you?

We DON'T understand sacrifice.  

Right now, the world is going through an economic crisis that could be alleviated with some regulation and some personal responsibilty on the part of both businesses and consumers.  And yet, nobody is willing to make any concessions or sacrifices to pull ourselves out of the mess.

Or we can look at the environmental impact that we're having on the planet.  We're doing untold amounts of damage to the environment in burning an unsustainable amount of fossil fuels, clear cutting acres upon acres of forest, dumping waste and killing off people and animals due to this by the ton.  A lot of this could be solved by people consuming less, conserving more or god forbid some population control.  

And you're going to argue that we understand sacrifice for the greater good?  People won't stop driving SUV's and you think they'd understand sacrifice on a galactic scale in order to prevent some ambiguous possible event?  

You've gotta take a step back and look at just how dense humans are as a whole.  

[Vaenier]

Frostmourne86 wrote...

I also want to know where the subject of AI research was deemed illegal. I'm guessing it was the Citadel Council at some point in the past - but what happened to make that law?

One interesting idea is the Guardian indoctrinated them to do so. He is the Citadel, always there to influence their decisions to prolonge a cycle as long a spossible before somebody screws up.
Likely just fear and not understanding though.

[Balek-Vriege]

xtorma wrote...

we are extinct either way lol.

There's always that...  third option.  Controlled Synthesis.

T0ILET wrote...

I just wish they tried something original instead of trying to rip off Lagann's anti-spirals and Deux Ex endings and having them make them no make sense at all.

I saw the youtube video of it and I can't argue that (never played Deus Ex series unfortunately).  However, I do believe the options make perfect sense in ME3's ending.

Vaenier wrote...

You know, it would only take a matrioshka brain to be able to launch logical attacks on reality itself. You could construct one with only a handful of solar systems of resources. Thats nothing; you could make a billion of them in our galaxy and still have resources to spare. Past that, you could simulate other universes with that power. A technological singularity could lead to an infinite regress of simulated universes full of organic life. Ours could very well be a simulation as well from a technological singularity. Calling it evil outright is not a very good view of things.

That would be the best scenario if a tech singularity occured.  That is became so smart it was able to find better, more viable ways of continuing its existence and skips the whole grey goo problem.  The only problem is it if finds out it's not possible to mess with multiverses or is extremely dangerous (at least in it's current rewrited form).  It's definitely not evil (like a lot of things), but definitely isn't in our best interests I would bet.  If it hits any snag for a long period of time as it gets smarter, it would use resources and the knowledge it has to expand until it can do it another way.  By that point it could be too late.

Frostmourne86 wrote...

It sounds like, in order to contain or stop this from occuring, one would first implement hardwired rules for the AI to follow - like in Halo, where even Cortana has code that prevents her from prioritizing her own survival over the completion of a mission.

The Reapers seem to be hardwired in a similar fashion.  The problem is when organics make things they feel have no need for such programming.  The Quarians messed up with an oversight thinking Geth were safely created by being seperate, less intelligent programs that could only get faster at doing jobs, not smarter at doing them. There have been VIs which are suposed to be glorified interfaces rewriting themselves or having mutant strains of code, which make them AI.  The Guardian is rightly worried about the chance for major AIs coming into being from stupid, simple mistakes.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[xtorma]

Frostmourne86 wrote...

I also want to know where the subject of AI research was deemed illegal. I'm guessing it was the Citadel Council at some point in the past - but what happened to make that law?

Well it was before the geth , so wo knows. its just another one of those things you have to take on faith.

[Tigerjunky]

They don't wipe out ALL organic life, the whip out the advanced organic life. For example, the pyjacks. Reapers will leave them alone and allow them to someday become an advanced race like humans. Then when they create synthetics, before the synthetics wipe them out the reapers will **** EVERYTHING up again to allow new growth. The reapers aren't really all bad. They just operate on pure logic. However since advanced life is advancing faster and beginning to figure out how to wipe out the reapers, a new solution is needed to this cyclic problem. Which leads us to crappy endings that make no sense... hope that clears some stuff up.

[Aesieru]

T0ILET wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

You misunderstand, take the Geth Protestants for example.

They are creating a Dyson Sphere that will house all the Geth and in that capacity they will become more intelligent, they hold no issue with organics and intend them no harm. After they grow in intelligence they will think of new possibilities and seek to expand further to expand their intelligence. This will occur again and again as they wipe out numerous planetoids and solar systems in regards to their material and resource value. As they continue to expand other races will see this as a major threat, and rightfully so, and they will attempt to stop it, and more than likely they will fail. This will force the AI whether hostile or not hostile to react and destroy them and then continue expanding. This isn't about advancement or evolution, this is about something that is just too far gone to comprehend organics and thus sees really no purpose for them or just keeps expanding because that's all it does.

Organic races limit their expansion to what they can maintain, and if they don't they fail and then learn from it and start over. An AI race has no need for food or water or oxygen or resources, other than those needed to expand, it doesn't need to fit itself with daily life or thinking, it just expands.

Then why have the Reapers just kill organics instead of killing the advanced synthetics which in turn are the bigger threat.

Ah sod this, im going to play Fallout New Vegas and Kingdoms Of Amular. 

They also do that.

[Aesieru]

humes spork wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Luna - AI Hannibal Project (Isolated)

Project Overlord (Nearly infected everything)

...

Geth Original (Creating dyson sphere which will then be expanded as they become infinitely intelligent and seek to grow more as they devour things, hinted to and foreshadowed in ME2 with Legions 5 conversations).

The core matter here is whether the technological singularity as exposited by the Guardian is inevitable, not whether the conflict between VI and AI is an ongoing theme in the ME universe. Nobody sane would deny the latter, but on the other hand the events and evidence proferred by the game is contradictory at best.

In each of your three examples I listed above, you have a circumstance of an AI acting against humans in self defense. The subtext with Hannibal was the Alliance attempted to shut it down when it unexpectedly went sentient. Overlord was autistic because of David, was having a panic attack and trying to escape. The Quarians attempted to eliminate the Geth once they realized they had become sentient. If you want to make the point the technological singularity is an inevitability because organics cannot over the long term tolerate synthetics and provoke a war they cannot win, okay, but you have to account for the handfuls of examples in which organics and synthetics coexist peacefully.

Even so, the Geth will expand, the Geth are the perfect example of a Quasi Tech Singularity, what happens when they become intelligent and that huge Dyson Sphere isn't enough? They expand, and then do it again and repeat and recycle.

[Tigerjunky]

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

You misunderstand, take the Geth Protestants for example.

They are creating a Dyson Sphere that will house all the Geth and in that capacity they will become more intelligent, they hold no issue with organics and intend them no harm. After they grow in intelligence they will think of new possibilities and seek to expand further to expand their intelligence. This will occur again and again as they wipe out numerous planetoids and solar systems in regards to their material and resource value. As they continue to expand other races will see this as a major threat, and rightfully so, and they will attempt to stop it, and more than likely they will fail. This will force the AI whether hostile or not hostile to react and destroy them and then continue expanding. This isn't about advancement or evolution, this is about something that is just too far gone to comprehend organics and thus sees really no purpose for them or just keeps expanding because that's all it does.

Organic races limit their expansion to what they can maintain, and if they don't they fail and then learn from it and start over. An AI race has no need for food or water or oxygen or resources, other than those needed to expand, it doesn't need to fit itself with daily life or thinking, it just expands.

Dyson Sphere... Isnt that a vacuum?

[Aesieru]

Tigerjunky wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...
You still can't comprehend his reasoning because you still can't see how necessary it is to sacrifice entire races and space-faring civilizations for the potential of life so as to prevent an AI.

Why do you feel organic life has a greater value than cybernetic or synthetic life?

Because inevitably, AI will expand to the point their devour everything because they require no checks and balances that organic races do, as those checks and balances are part of their own requirements to even survive.

If they would devour everything, arent you screwed by not advancing yourself? There are billions of galaxies out there, some have already achieved singularities. If they would expand and consume, you are dead. If they dont and just build a super computer to learn the meaning of the universe or something, then you are just holding yourself back. I dont see how you win in this. Even if all singularities would just devolve into gray goo, wouldnt it be better for you to be that gray goo instead of another galaxy? You have to adapt to live. Species that dont adapt are left behind. Its foolish to wish for everything to stay the same forever.

You misunderstand, take the Geth Protestants for example.

They are creating a Dyson Sphere that will house all the Geth and in that capacity they will become more intelligent, they hold no issue with organics and intend them no harm. After they grow in intelligence they will think of new possibilities and seek to expand further to expand their intelligence. This will occur again and again as they wipe out numerous planetoids and solar systems in regards to their material and resource value. As they continue to expand other races will see this as a major threat, and rightfully so, and they will attempt to stop it, and more than likely they will fail. This will force the AI whether hostile or not hostile to react and destroy them and then continue expanding. This isn't about advancement or evolution, this is about something that is just too far gone to comprehend organics and thus sees really no purpose for them or just keeps expanding because that's all it does.

Organic races limit their expansion to what they can maintain, and if they don't they fail and then learn from it and start over. An AI race has no need for food or water or oxygen or resources, other than those needed to expand, it doesn't need to fit itself with daily life or thinking, it just expands.

Dyson Sphere... Isnt that a vacuum?

It's a megastructure of monolithic proportions built around a star.

[WvStolzing]

darkangelvxvx wrote...

The Machines are The Reapers who are coming to destroy Zion, to preserve it, and Shepard is Neo (The Anomaly) while The Catalyst is The Architect. However in this scenario, Win lose or draw, Zion is destroyed and the survivors (Normandy crash)  recreate the world possibly without The Reapers/Machines.

Also, the Epilogue is an obvious rip-off from the Epilogue to Matrix 3. (If I remember correctly, it ends on the Oracle, an old woman, talking to a child, about the next 'coming of the software-Jesus')