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Obro wrote...

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They we're not viable for memorializing  of their collective consciousnes in reaper form for some reason - but still had their uses.


they were viable enought to warn the next generation that brought to the reaper downfall 


Do you realize how evil and terrible the Protheans actually were? ME3 explains how terrible a race they were. They even created an AI Race merely to enslave it and which caused a rebellion on their own, this pissed off the Reapers.


did not play ME3 it's not out yet


Hinted it with other subtle notices throughout the other games, but understandable.

The question then, is why you're in a thread with people who've ever read the script, seen the game, played the game somehow, or have pieced everything together with all the facts. Spoilers are to be expected.

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History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes.

Just look at all the attempts to understand indoctrination and you'll see everyone always failed anyway.



History repeats itself if people don't know it. If everyone was informed and knew that "X thing 1000 years ago made Y happen that casued Z amount of damage and destruction" then you can bet there is a really really small chance of it happening again.

Why arent the scientists trying to make gold out of lead anymore? Because it's documented and common knowledge that you cant. Same thing with mixing certain ingredients in chemistry you just DONT DO THEM cause it's documented that they god boom.


ninja edit:

I was here at first to discuss the ending which I unfortunately saw on youtube.

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And as i already said, your idea is implausible.
There will be bloodshed either way as the galaxy won't stand for this, even if they will destroy the creators that won't exactly give them any support - from galaxy point of view the are just some genocidal machines.
We would have a galaxy under total control of reapers living in fear - which ain't no better than whats currently happening.
No scratch that, it's worse actully - the way there is now all the races are allowed 50k yrs of freedom.
You idea is just a simple opression.


They don't need support. The galaxy onle needs to realize that the Reapers are the end result of their AI research. And you know what? That might actually lead the galaxy it-self to build AI with failsafes to prevent such an uprising. In that event, maybe the reapers will gradually realize they don't even need to intervene that often anyway.

The way I see it, wiping out entire races of organics to preserve their tissue material is the worse solution compared to simply keeping the synethic development in-check.

Also, I am not debating the ethics of what reapers do now vs. what they should be doing. I am only talking about what is more effective toward the goal of preserving organic races which seems to be the very reason why they take the time visit evey 50k.

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Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

Turel11234 wrote...
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They we're not viable for memorializing  of their collective consciousnes in reaper form for some reason - but still had their uses.


they were viable enought to warn the next generation that brought to the reaper downfall 


Do you realize how evil and terrible the Protheans actually were? ME3 explains how terrible a race they were. They even created an AI Race merely to enslave it and which caused a rebellion on their own, this pissed off the Reapers.


did not play ME3 it's not out yet


For some it is, otherwise we learned it other ways, the people in this thread have spoiled a lot of info to them in some form. That's why we're discussing this, we assume those coming into the discussion in this part of the forum and this thread would know something about the game.

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Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes.

Just look at all the attempts to understand indoctrination and you'll see everyone always failed anyway.



History repeats itself if people don't know it. If everyone was informed and knew that "X think 1000 years ago made Y happen that casued Z amount of damage and destruction" then you can bet there is a really really small chance of it happening again.

Why arent the scientists trying to make gold out of lead anymore? Because it's documented and common knowledge that you cant. Same thing with mixing certain ingredients in chemistry you just DONT DO THEM cause it's documented that they god boom.


ninja edit:

I was here at first to discuss the ending which I unfortunately saw on youtube.


Actually, alchemy is still attempted, and some technologies have lead to some possibilities for molecular rearrangement, but that's very far off.

People still make mistakes and they make them after a period of not thinking about them, just look at the news lol.

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Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes.

Just look at all the attempts to understand indoctrination and you'll see everyone always failed anyway.



History repeats itself if people don't know it. If everyone was informed and knew that "X think 1000 years ago made Y happen that casued Z amount of damage and destruction" then you can bet there is a really really small chance of it happening again.

Why arent the scientists trying to make gold out of lead anymore? Because it's documented and common knowledge that you cant. Same thing with mixing certain ingredients in chemistry you just DONT DO THEM cause it's documented that they god boom.


ninja edit:

I was here at first to discuss the ending which I unfortunately saw on youtube.


Actually, alchemy is still attempted, and some technologies have lead to some possibilities for molecular rearrangement, but that's very far off.


It was just an example. Yes I know alchemy is still atempted and that people still try to make gold from lead ...and those people are uninformed that you cant.

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Aesieru wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

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the more and more i think about it the more i think these endings are brilliant.... I still hate them... but they are brilliant in a way


In which way are they brilliant? They don't make logical sense, no?


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*POINTS AT THREAD*

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As far as I can see, there is no answer on this thread to the question as to why doesn't the reaper race eliminate synthetic life instead rather than eliminating organics.

The elimination of organics goes contrary to their very wish to preserve it.


Actually they make each race into a Reaper so it does get preserved.

As for synthetics, it's very possible for spur of the moment rebellions to occur at any time and potentially if the organic race was advanced enough past a certain point, they could seize all that advanced technology through a virus or some sort and potentially fight off the reapers.

Worse is the fear that an AI might advance beyond the stagnation prison of the relays and LEAVE the confines of the galaxy or relays, thus allowing them to go off and deplete the galaxy and potentially other galaxies at their behest. That is the real danger the possibility for them to stealthily leave.


There's actually a solid point to be made in what Ninja stated.  If they're trying to preserve life, then they should simly kill off Synthetics when they arise.  Not simply kill everyone that has the ability to create them and "Start over."  

The "depleting resources of the galaxy"  bit is kinda morose at best.


The entire story, It reminds me of a twisted "Garden of Eden" complex.  The Reapers are trying to establish a perfect balance so that nothing ever falters, nothing ever goes out of balance, while they leave the apples right in the middle of the garden with a big sign on the tree that says, "Don't eat these, or we'll come kill you."


People come and eat the apples, and POOF, Reapers come, and reset the garden.  Which ultimately dithers the balance of life.

The apples in this case are "Synthetics" and "The Mass Relays"

My ultimate question is... What if the Geth ultimately become peaceful?  What if The Reaper's logic is flawed?  What if Legion is actually able to convince the others to commune with humanity(organic/Galactic life)?  

I dunno it just sounds really disheveled to me.

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Maybe and thereby causing a technological dark ages like Warhammer 40K and Dune.  The Reapers risk exposure to being overtaken though by those who don't believe in what the Reapers say or by the AI themselves.  Also there's the problem of races hiding their AI advancements or knowledge of how to overthrow from the Reapers.  The same way Cerberus and others hide AI advancements from the eyes of the Council.

The other point to this is whether the creators of the Guardian and the Reapers believed in genetic diversity, or a mercifully merciless end to races instead of controlling them.  Moral and logistical considerations do lean towards the "stay hidden, lay a trap and clean up when necessary" plan.

Basically it comes down to knowledge is power and ignorance is bliss.
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Oh this is a good one. But the flaw here is that if what you say is true with respect to synethtic development, then it would also be true with respect to organic development i.e. an Organic race might become superior enough to best the reapers.

So if your argument is valid, it causes problems to the premise that reapers visit every 50k years. When the reapers visit
1) it might be too late
2) the organics might be superior to them

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Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes.

Just look at all the attempts to understand indoctrination and you'll see everyone always failed anyway.



History repeats itself if people don't know it. If everyone was informed and knew that "X think 1000 years ago made Y happen that casued Z amount of damage and destruction" then you can bet there is a really really small chance of it happening again.

Why arent the scientists trying to make gold out of lead anymore? Because it's documented and common knowledge that you cant. Same thing with mixing certain ingredients in chemistry you just DONT DO THEM cause it's documented that they god boom.


ninja edit:

I was here at first to discuss the ending which I unfortunately saw on youtube.


Actually, alchemy is still attempted, and some technologies have lead to some possibilities for molecular rearrangement, but that's very far off.


It was just an example. Yes I know alchemy is still atempted and that people still try to make gold from lead ...and those people are uninformed that you cant.


Or they disbelieve it or found reason they can.

Now just swap that with trying to make an AI, and there we go, point proven.

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God dammit you guys are stupid...
The reapers kill SPACE FARING CIVILIZATIONS, NOT ALL LIFE...

Anyone here ever played a game called Mass Effect 1?

I thought they killed only Space Faring civilizations 'cos they couldn't scan every single one of the millions of planets in the galaxy.

So what happens when EVERY civilization reaches Space Faring status and they kill them? How is that any different than a Singularity? It's only a delay.

Sure new species will evolve, but it's the same case in a Singularity.

This also means that the first race, the most intelligent race that ever existed, thought it would be a good idea to willingly massacre themselves.

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DarthCaine wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

God dammit you guys are stupid...
The reapers kill SPACE FARING CIVILIZATIONS, NOT ALL LIFE...

Anyone here ever played a game called Mass Effect 1?

I thought they killed only Space Faring civilizations 'cos they couldn't scan every single one of the millions of planets in the galaxy.

So what happens when EVERY civilization reaches Space Faring status and they kill them? How is that any different than a Singularity? It's only a delay.

Sure new species will evolve, but it's the same case in a Singularity.

This also means that the first race, the most intelligent race that ever existed, thought it would be a good idea to willingly massacre themselves.


Or that they saw the AI coming or nearly had the Singularity occur within a breath of being extinct and did something to stop it permanently.

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So what's the point of preserving the resources in the universe if using those resources only means that civilizations will advance - only to destroy themselves?

How are the reapers "incomprehensible" to humans?

Why not preserve historical events and show it to sentient beings instead of hiding it destroying everything?

Their logic seems to circle around the logical fallacy that civilizations will NOT learn from past mistakes and will, no matter what, destroy themselves.

What is this basis if that "opinion"? They're just mad machines stopping all progress because they think progress will automatically lead to negative results.


No Human or alien race will ever be able to understand that they need to die so the galaxy can live, constantly. Because they have self-preservation written into their code and while a few will commit suicide from time to time, the entirety of the race will not, especially in the painful processes that it is done in. That is why it is incomprehensible.

History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes.

Just look at all the attempts to understand indoctrination and you'll see everyone always failed anyway.

Our own history shows similar issues of lack of understanding or ignorance towards history.

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Also it should be indicated that the Protheans did exactly what the Reapers feared and intentionally at that, as well as being the worst slavers ever. So... it stands to reason that if the Reapers didn't see anything going wrong they might call it off, but I don't think they've ever had a single 50k or so years where the same thing didn't happen.

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If a child makes a mistake constantly do you just tell it not do it or do you swap his hand the next time he does it and tell him why?

If you look at galactic civilizations as a child and the Reapers as a parent they swat you (kill you) after you've made a big mistake and then let the next reverbation of you (the next race / child) try again.

The potential for an AI to somehow escape the confines of the relays is too dangerous and more than likely if the Reapers came and hurt you once and you knew what they could do, you'd not want to fear what they can do and so you'd try to rise up against them with a force, and to prevent that, they kill you too.

"No Human or alien race will ever be able to understand that they need to
die so the galaxy can live, constantly. Because they have
self-preservation written into their code and while a few will commit
suicide from time to time, the entirety of the race will not, especially
in the painful processes that it is done in. That is why it is
incomprehensible."

They will never undestand it because it's not necessary.



"History has shown that history repeats itself, unendingly, because
people forget, or move on, or think they won't make the same mistakes."

That's where the reapers could play the biggest role. History repeats itself because of ignorance in this case.
Humans and others do NOT know what has happened in this past.

"Our own history shows similar issues of lack of understanding or ignorance towards history."
It also shows the complete opposite sometimes.

"If a child makes a mistake constantly do you just tell it not do it or
do you swap his hand the next time he does it and tell him why?"

Exactly, reapers do not explain WHY they just destroy. Noone can understand what's happening because the reapers, for no reason at all, do not reveal history to them.

"If you look at galactic civilizations as a child and the Reapers as a
parent they swat you (kill you) after you've made a big mistake and then
let the next reverbation of you (the next race / child) try again."

That's the worst kind of educational system/idea and that's exactly what educational models are trying to prevent in our times. You don't just let a kid go its way if it has wronged once. Quite the opposite, you explain why what it's doing is not responsible.

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"If a child makes a mistake constantly do you just tell it not do it or
do you swap his hand the next time he does it and tell him why?"

Exactly,
reapers do not explain WHY they just destroy. Noone can understand
what's happening because the reapers, for no reason at all, do not
reveal history to them.



Thats a good one! haha...

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Teh, I can see in some form that you're actually trying to take part in the discussion though I feel you haven't a clear knowledge of the plot just yet, but I will continue because the discussion is no longer what I once labeled ignorant.

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I don't believe the Reapers want to infringe on future organic life, that is why they leave no warning, but with the use of a Vanguard it seems that they only come when necessary, potentially it's possible that one time they waited 100k or 200k years, though that's a dangerous level of technology to let advance on its own.

The point is that to prevent the caretakers from manipulating society more than it does, they leave them alone until they make a galaxy-ending mistake.

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Oh be serious. Even if the Reapers tell us why this is bad, there will always be someone who believes otherwise.
" My ancestors were plain dumb. I am very smart. I won't make such a mistake."
And BLAM!!! Very dumb mistake is made. Everyone's dead.

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Aesieru wrote...

Teh, I can see in some form that you're actually trying to take part in the discussion though I feel you haven't a clear knowledge of the plot just yet, but I will continue because the discussion is no longer what I once labeled ignorant.

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I don't believe the Reapers want to infringe on future organic life, that is why they leave no warning, but with the use of a Vanguard it seems that they only come when necessary, potentially it's possible that one time they waited 100k or 200k years, though that's a dangerous level of technology to let advance on its own.

The point is that to prevent the caretakers from manipulating society more than it does, they leave them alone until they make a galaxy-ending mistake.


And would it not be better to come and just eliminate the mistake and inform rather than come and eliminate everyone commits the mistake? I mean, whats the point in eliminating those who commit mistakes?

Do you think if the reapers came and eliminated the Geth and gave the Quarians back there homeworld with a warning and information as to who they are, the Quarians are going to go back to creating AI?

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There's actually a solid point to be made in what Ninja stated.  If they're trying to preserve life, then they should simly kill off Synthetics when they arise.  Not simply kill everyone that has the ability to create them and "Start over."  

The "depleting resources of the galaxy"  bit is kinda morose at best.


The entire story, It reminds me of a twisted "Garden of Eden" complex.  The Reapers are trying to establish a perfect balance so that nothing ever falters, nothing ever goes out of balance, while they leave the apples right in the middle of the garden with a big sign on the tree that says, "Don't eat these, or we'll come kill you."


People come and eat the apples, and POOF, Reapers come, and reset the garden.  Which ultimately dithers the balance of life.

The apples in this case are "Synthetics" and "The Mass Relays"

My ultimate question is... What if the Geth ultimately become peaceful?  What if The Reaper's logic is flawed?  What if Legion is actually able to convince the others to commune with humanity?  

I dunno it just sounds really disheveled to me.


This is what happens when you just kill of synthetics:

1.  Race progresses to a point and builds an AI that rebels.
2.  Reapers swoop in to save the day, killing them all.
3.  Race now has knowledge of the Reapers and fear their power.
4.  Race outlaws AI.
5.  Some people are not satisfied with not having AI to help them in their everyday lifes
6.  Some very smart people begin to hide AI advancement.  Some don't believe technological singularity will actually happen.  Some also study how to combat the Reapers.
7.  Eventually an AI is created that is or is close a technological singularity and guess what?  They know about the Reapers too.
8.  The AI does its best to hide itself from Reaper or Galactic eyes and ears.  It advances fast and surely far away from relay space.  Time is not an issue.
9.  When the AI are confident they're smarter and more powerful than the Reapers, or allow their presence to be known, they're confident they will win and end up winning.

Of course that whole plotline includes Reapers, which wouldn't actually exist without the Reaping.  Any volunteers? (reinforces the problems of points 5 and 6).

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ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Teh, I can see in some form that you're actually trying to take part in the discussion though I feel you haven't a clear knowledge of the plot just yet, but I will continue because the discussion is no longer what I once labeled ignorant.

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I don't believe the Reapers want to infringe on future organic life, that is why they leave no warning, but with the use of a Vanguard it seems that they only come when necessary, potentially it's possible that one time they waited 100k or 200k years, though that's a dangerous level of technology to let advance on its own.

The point is that to prevent the caretakers from manipulating society more than it does, they leave them alone until they make a galaxy-ending mistake.


And would it not be better to come and just eliminate the mistake and inform rather than come and eliminate everyone commits the mistake? I mean, whats the point in eliminating those who commit mistakes?

Do you think if the reapers came and eliminated the Geth and gave the Quarians back there homeworld with a warning and information as to who they are, the Quarians are going to go back to creating AI?


No, but the next race might.

Though the Quarians made "Not really AI" synthetics despite all the fears of AI and AI being illegal, so maybe.

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"You still have the problem of "organic" nature. People with free will do stupid things sometimes and make stupid mistakes. All it takes is that one mad scientist, on a far off world to get things started. The Reaper plan is the most efficient from a logical point of view. Their moral judgement (well their creator; judgement) is that killing off advanced organics every 50K years is the safest way possible to prevent organics from ceasing to exist. "

If we know anything about organic nature today is that it evolves preserving only the right attributes which are needed and help evolution.

A short neck doesn't help to eat leaves from a tree. This attribute is slowly eliminated through the generations.
A mad scientist doesn't help advance society if his only purpose is to destroy it. The chance of a mad scientist doing the same thing again thins out. This attribute will not stand the centuries.

However the reapers STOP that same evolution. They erase any kind of progress and actually prevents everyone from CORRECTING those very mistakes.

If some giraffes have short necks you don't eliminiate every girrafe in existence.

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Oh be serious. Even if the Reapers tell us why this is bad, there will always be someone who believes otherwise.
" My ancestors were plain dumb. I am very smart. I won't make such a mistake."
And BLAM!!! Very dumb mistake is made. Everyone's dead.


If the mistake could be corrected once, then the mistake could be corrected again.

The reapers need to only configure its vanguard to detect the anyone who will start focusing on AI development. It could then send in its fleet or work to eliminate them secretly using pawns like Saren or Kai.

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teh_619 wrote...

"You still have the problem of "organic" nature. People with free will do stupid things sometimes and make stupid mistakes. All it takes is that one mad scientist, on a far off world to get things started. The Reaper plan is the most efficient from a logical point of view. Their moral judgement (well their creator; judgement) is that killing off advanced organics every 50K years is the safest way possible to prevent organics from ceasing to exist. "

If we know anything about organic nature today is that it evolves preserving only the right attributes which are needed and help evolution.

A short neck doesn't help to eat leaves from a tree. This attribute is slowly eliminated through the generations.
A mad scientist doesn't help advance society if his only purpose is to destroy it. The chance of a mad scientist doing the same thing again thins out. This attribute will not stand the centuries.

However the reapers STOP that same evolution. They erase any kind of progress and actually prevents everyone from CORRECTING those very mistakes.

If some giraffes have short necks you don't eliminiate every girrafe in existence.


The problem is that it's not a mistake you can come back from... an AI Technical Singularity is a 1 time end. There is nothing else after that.

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darkangelvxvx wrote...

There's actually a solid point to be made in what Ninja stated.  If they're trying to preserve life, then they should simly kill off Synthetics when they arise.  Not simply kill everyone that has the ability to create them and "Start over."  

The "depleting resources of the galaxy"  bit is kinda morose at best.


The entire story, It reminds me of a twisted "Garden of Eden" complex.  The Reapers are trying to establish a perfect balance so that nothing ever falters, nothing ever goes out of balance, while they leave the apples right in the middle of the garden with a big sign on the tree that says, "Don't eat these, or we'll come kill you."


People come and eat the apples, and POOF, Reapers come, and reset the garden.  Which ultimately dithers the balance of life.

The apples in this case are "Synthetics" and "The Mass Relays"

My ultimate question is... What if the Geth ultimately become peaceful?  What if The Reaper's logic is flawed?  What if Legion is actually able to convince the others to commune with humanity?  

I dunno it just sounds really disheveled to me.


This is what happens when you just kill of synthetics:

1.  Race progresses to a point and builds an AI that rebels.
2.  Reapers swoop in to save the day, killing them all.
3.  Race now has knowledge of the Reapers and fear their power.
4.  Race outlaws AI.
5.  Some people are not satisfied with not having AI to help them in their everyday lifes
6.  Some very smart people begin to hide AI advancement.  Some don't believe technological singularity will actually happen.  Some also study how to combat the Reapers.
7.  Eventually an AI is created that is or is close a technological singularity and guess what?  They know about the Reapers too.
8.  The AI does its best to hide itself from Reaper or Galactic eyes and ears.  It advances fast and surely far away from relay space.  Time is not an issue.
9.  When the AI are confident they're smarter and more powerful than the Reapers, or allow their presence to be known, they're confident they will win and end up winning.

Of course that whole plotline includes Reapers, which wouldn't actually exist without the Reaping.  Any volunteers? (reinforces the problems of points 5 and 6).


That sounds like a better plot than what we actually have tbh.  Even though its the plot of iRobot.

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No, but the next race might.

Though the Quarians made "Not really AI" synthetics despite all the fears of AI and AI being illegal, so maybe.


Exactly, the next race might and when they do, or when they start down that path, the reapers just come in and intervene.

The only argument you can make at this point is that when they come to eliminate, the created race might be too advanced to rival their own. That it-self is highly unlikely because such a thing couldn't happen so fast. BUT, if did grant such a premise, then the reapers could run in to the same problem with just Organics i.e. when it comes, they might be too advanced.

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Oh be serious. Even if the Reapers tell us why this is bad, there will always be someone who believes otherwise.
" My ancestors were plain dumb. I am very smart. I won't make such a mistake."
And BLAM!!! Very dumb mistake is made. Everyone's dead.


But that's why we have stopped killing each other with clubs.
That's why we've stopped being SO imperialistic.

...That's why we use condoms to prevent AIDS.
We actually learn from our mistakes. That's why human civilization is still here.
It doesn't take a mad scientist to stop thousands of sane ones.

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Aesieru wrote...

No, but the next race might.

Though the Quarians made "Not really AI" synthetics despite all the fears of AI and AI being illegal, so maybe.


Exactly, the next race might and when they do, or when they start down that path, the reapers just come in and intervene.

The only argument you can make at this point is that when they come to eliminate, the created race might be too advanced to rival their own. That it-self is highly unlikely because such a thing couldn't happen so fast. BUT, if did grant such a premise, then the reapers could run in to the same problem with just Organics i.e. when it comes, they might be too advanced.


AI's can advance faster than Humans because of the fact that everything in the AI is meant for advancement Humanity is a community not a single entity of many programs. Community's don't all work together, they don't all think the same thing, and they have needs and food and bathrooms and relaxation and breaks. They can't just constantly work 100% all the time at rapid-pace to evolve themselves constantly.

Organic races can be measured and stopped, an AI can pop up and destroy everything. Imagine if the Overlord virus was ever actually properly broadcast...