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[Treopod]

 Knowing the endings and the general plot, i personally have a hard time feeling immersed in this universe anymore.

I mean Mass effect was ever since i played the first game, a setting which i would love to live inside, especially since it is meant to be the future of our real timeline. i loved the aliens, the technology and the characters etc.

But now that i know about the endings, the universe doesnt feel mature, logical or even well thought-out enough for me to enjoy the setting anymore, a place where highly intelligent races assume that AI:s always must be evil, all while being completley ignorant to much more logical and easier solutions.

it seems the whole plot behind the basic lore is based on stupid reasoning and clichés, and it makes the main badguys seem silly rather than intimidating.

for me, this makes it less enjoyable to play the first two ME games as well, in fact i was working hard on a new perfect character to bring through the whole trilogy but now i simply cant take this setting serious, its almost like i dont want to be there anymore so i stopped playing.

I realize we dont need anymore whining topics, but im wodnering if these endings ruined the franchise for other people so much that they cant even enjoy the earlier games as well?
it seems to have happened to me, even though i wish i could ignore it. 

Modifié par Treopod, 04 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[Bentebent]

You can always pretend it never happened, like Matrix-fans do. I don't really feel it retroactively ruined ME1 and ME2 but it certainly ruined any potential the universe might have had.

[curly haired boy]

on the contrary, i feel energized that the galaxy is finally free from reaper influence. we still have enormously interesting species and storylines in the universe, and now they can develop any way they want.

i'm ****ing psyched.

[AkiKishi]

"Space Magic"

[Tazzmission]

:sigh: no it DID NOT ruin the franchise

i can argue space magic was in alot of scfi tv shows one being farscape

[RogueBot]

I can empathize. 

Modifié par RogueBot, 04 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[eye basher]

I've never had a problem with it because i never immerse myself in games after all is just a game i play it for the gameplay the story has never really mattered to me.

[GBGriffin]

 

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: no it DID NOT ruin the franchise

i can argue space magic was in alot of scfi tv shows one being farscape

Heh. Except for basically destroying the namesake of the series, the mass relays, in all but possibly one of the endings, and that's just a start.

eye basher wrote...

I've never had a problem with it because i never immerse myself in games after all is just a game i play it for the gameplay the story has never really mattered to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but itsn't playing an RPG for the gameplay sort of like going to a professional sports event for the concession stand?

[XX55XX]

I say it's even worse than the ending for the Matrix.

[Tazzmission]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: no it DID NOT ruin the franchise

i can argue space magic was in alot of scfi tv shows one being farscape

Heh. Except for basically destroying the namesake of the series, the mass relays, in all but possibly one of the endings, and that's just a start.

how so? you do realize by destroying all relays the reapers cant come back right?

its explained in arrival and im suprised people didnt think of this at all


and no the name sake is not destroyed so just go away already

[GBGriffin]

Tazzmission wrote...

by destroying all relays

and no the name sake is not destroyed 

Uh....did you think that "Mass Effect" referred to something other than the relays? Perhaps the "mass (as in great) effect" we could have on the story through our choices? Oh, wait...

[eye basher]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: no it DID NOT ruin the franchise

i can argue space magic was in alot of scfi tv shows one being farscape

Heh. Except for basically destroying the namesake of the series, the mass relays, in all but possibly one of the endings, and that's just a start.

eye basher wrote...

I've never had a problem with it because i never immerse myself in games after all is just a game i play it for the gameplay the story has never really mattered to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but itsn't playing an RPG for the gameplay sort of like going to a professional sports event for the concession stand?

Nope a game can have the best storyline in history but if the gameplay is crap i won't waste time with it i won't suffer threw bad gameplay just for a story im sorry if i want good story i'll read a book games i just do that for fun.

[curly haired boy]

GBGriffin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

by destroying all relays

and no the name sake is not destroyed 

Uh....did you think that "Mass Effect" referred to something other than the relays? Perhaps the "mass (as in great) effect" we could have on the story through our choices? Oh, wait...

of course it means something other than the relays. it's element zero, and it doesn't just power the relays, it powers conventional FTL flight, weapons, hovercraft, etc.

that said, the only thing that gets destroyed is reaper technology. that means ACTUAL REAPER TECHNOLOGY, not all eezo everywhere. your gun will still work, your FTL drive still works, your hover-fridge still bounces nicely.

[Aesieru]

I have found that anyone with a modicum of intelligence that tries to actually understand the game by use of the books, comics, and or games as well as the related codex has had no real issue understanding it. There are many threads with intelligent discussion that are less about how bad it supposedly is and more about but was it really necessary, and while it obviously was, at least they understand the story itself.

People come in here, see one thing, take it out of context, then assume tons of things, then argue and bicker about nothing.

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Also Griffin, mass effect relates to the use of running an electrical current through element zero to achieve mass-less state.

[Treopod]

I personally have no problem with the dark and depressing mood of the ending, the destruction of the mass relays and death of billions of people doesnt bother me cause they can always rebuild something similar given enough time.

i could even live with the sad fate for Shepard and his crew (although it was a **** move to not allow those fans who wanted closure and reunion with their LI to get that)

the main problem for me is that the main plot feels "dumbed down", ie i expected Mass Effects overall story to be deeper than this, the reasoning behind the villian and this tech singularity feels like a far to simple and uninteresting plot device. its also a cliché.

I mean even today anyone with decent IQ could realize how easily avoidable this problem with the sentient AI:s and tech singularity is, and how stupid the justification behind the Reaper cylcle is.
and now you are telling me that a hyper advanced race who created mass relays and reapers couldnt think of any better solution than this? laughable and unrealistic.

Dark energy had the potential to be much better.

[GBGriffin]

Aesieru wrote...


Also Griffin, mass effect relates to the use of running an electrical current through element zero to achieve mass-less state.

Ah, I was misinformed then. Thanks.

[Treopod]

Aesieru wrote...

I have found that anyone with a modicum of intelligence that tries to actually understand the game by use of the books, comics, and or games as well as the related codex has had no real issue understanding it. There are many threads with intelligent discussion that are less about how bad it supposedly is and more about but was it really necessary, and while it obviously was, at least they understand the story itself.

People come in here, see one thing, take it out of context, then assume tons of things, then argue and bicker about nothing.

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Also Griffin, mass effect relates to the use of running an electrical current through element zero to achieve mass-less state.

Even when you fully understand the plot, you cannot get away from the fact that these endings are cliché, have bad reasoning and are shallow. 

[Aesieru]

GBGriffin wrote...

Aesieru wrote...


Also Griffin, mass effect relates to the use of running an electrical current through element zero to achieve mass-less state.

Ah, I was misinformed then. Thanks.

Understandable, though this was explained within 1 minute of starting Mass Effect 1 by the opening cinematic text.

[Aesieru]

Treopod wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I have found that anyone with a modicum of intelligence that tries to actually understand the game by use of the books, comics, and or games as well as the related codex has had no real issue understanding it. There are many threads with intelligent discussion that are less about how bad it supposedly is and more about but was it really necessary, and while it obviously was, at least they understand the story itself.

People come in here, see one thing, take it out of context, then assume tons of things, then argue and bicker about nothing.

---

Also Griffin, mass effect relates to the use of running an electrical current through element zero to achieve mass-less state.

Even when you fully understand the plot, you cannot get away from the fact that these endings are cliché, have bad reasoning and are shallow. 

If you can prove you understand the Technological Singularity and how the series built up to that from the beginning through subtle plots meant to be uncovered by you, and then you can prove that you understand the over-arching plot itself, then I will listen to your counter points about how it is bad.

I've yet to see any reasonable counter points.

[Dudeman315]

GBGriffin wrote...

eye basher wrote...

I've never had a problem with it because i never immerse myself in games after all is just a game i play it for the gameplay the story has never really mattered to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but itsn't playing an RPG for the gameplay sort of like going to a professional sports event for the concession stand?

Not 100%--some of us like spreadsheets and number crunching:wizard:-- but with the gameplay of ME2 compared to other TPS on the market it is like tapeing a black garbage bag to your tv to watch the Super Bowl when you have free tickets to the super bowl and live next door to the stadium that it is hosting it.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Sparatus wrote...

I could never take a universe with magical blue space lesbians seriously.

[Quionic]

 I know how you feel OP, the endings feel like it's a fanfic written by a 12 year old.

[Aesieru]

Quionic wrote...

 I know how you feel OP, the endings feel like it's a fanfic written by a 12 year old.

I'm beginning to wonder if you ever read any of the lore of ME, because it seems you didn't.

[D.Kain]

I dunno. I can't think of a better ending, seems fine to me.

Like I can say that DA2 sucks, imo. But that is because I can say what exactly to change in every plot point I don't like to make it better. When it comes to ME3, I think one should think of a more interesting plot that everyone will like more, THEN say ME3 plot sucks, and then I will agree.