Aesieru wrote...
Razgaros wrote...
I could never take this series seriously since I can't even get a camera on my helmet to record reaper threats, when my cell phone, 200 years earlier could do so.
Even with that, it's unlikely they'd believe it.
D.Kain wrote...
I dunno. I can't think of a better ending, seems fine to me.
Like I can say that DA2 sucks, imo. But that is because I can say what exactly to change in every plot point I don't like to make it better. When it comes to ME3, I think one should think of a more interesting plot that everyone will like more, THEN say ME3 plot sucks, and then I will agree.
Cirreus wrote...
Ah yes, one of the original endings hinted at in ME2, Dark Engery. Basicly this game "could have" ended with the reapers being revealed as savors of the galaxy from inherent destruction of Dark Engery. It doesn't really matter what dark engery is (plot device / dark matter in reality), but the reapers we're gathering a force to save the galaxy/universe would have been a bolder story & more statifying one for all customers. Plus it could have allowed for more than one ending.
What EA/Bioware has done here is close Mass Effect down. What other genre franchise has done this ? Can you imagine if the Star Wars the Old Rebublic had no hyperspace, no light sabers or force powers ? Stark Trek with no warp drive, phasers or captain's chair ? Mass Effect without the Citadel, Normandy or Mass Effect Relays .... oh wait.
xtorma wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Razgaros wrote...
I could never take this series seriously since I can't even get a camera on my helmet to record reaper threats, when my cell phone, 200 years earlier could do so.
Even with that, it's unlikely they'd believe it.
they believed saren betrayed the council by hearing an audiofile, and never asked for authentication.
Modifié par M.for.Murderousness, 04 mars 2012 - 10:22 .
TheBlackBaron wrote...
Arcadian Legend wrote...
What I want to know is why a lot of you actually willingly read the endings before getting your hands on the game.
This.
Also, I just can't understand why Shepard not getting to live happily ever after making blue babies with Liara "destroys your immersion". I mean, seriously? What the **** did you expect? This is a series that's about the impending galactic genocide at the hands of a race of machine-gods that have done this every 50,000 years for god knows how long. Did you honestly think things weren't going to get ****ed up and lead to a mixed bag of an ending? Or does that really not matter, and the only thing that ever did was that virtual Shepard gets to virtual **** his virtual space waifu until the virtual end of virtual time when everything was all said and done?
Hexxys wrote...
Everything about the ending stings. The anime-esque scenario where a child = lynchpin character. The "choices" it gives you, that really don't change the end result that much. The LORE behind those choices (we create machines that routinely destroy organic life so that life can't advance to the point where they create machines that destroy organic life hurrrr hurrrrr). The "grandpa was just telling his grandson a story" thing added insult to injury as well.
It's poorly written, poorly voice acted, and unfit to be the ending for such an immersive universe.
Don't believe me? Listen for yourself:
Severian75 wrote...
Aesieru, after reading a few different threads about the endings and how people feel about them, I have noticed that where you were initially a possible reasoned counter-point provider, you've become nothing more than someone hell-bent on insulting anyone who finds the endings displeasurable in any thread on the topic. Comments such as the above are about the most non-personally attacking you seem to manage at this point. Please return to statements about the story and refrain from further statements about the reading habits, dying brain cells, and "idiocy" of anyone who does not like the endings presented by the Drew-less BW.
I'd also like to point out two things here. The first is that "good" and "bad" are subjective. You may find the story to be "good" while others find it to be "bad". I would hazard a guess that what makes it "bad" for most who feel that way is their disappointment. That leads me to the next point: this is a game for the purpose of entertainment. However valid the story may or may not be from a literary standpoint, BW should probably have considered the fact that this is a game played for many hours by many different people that was specifically designed to elicit emotional connection to the protagonist, their companions, and the universe in which it is set. Producing an ending that basically ammounts to "ah, yes, connection; we have dismissed this aspect" is understandably dissappointing, and thus "bad" for those who feel as much. This is a game. They have built up to this ending through multiple installements, creating a feeling of hope, only to toss all hope out of the window with a borrowed story concept that has shown itself to be unpopular at least twice in the past (BSG and Matrix).
Frankly, whatever my opinion on the endings (which I've not fully formed; I'll do so once I've played the game myself), it doesn't seem like good, sound business or enjoyable story-telling.
M.for.Murderousness wrote...
Hey Aesieru--I can't even believe I remember this--weren't you the guy who had a huge hate-thread dedicated to him on the old forums, back before ME2 launched?
Sparatus wrote...
I could never take a universe with magical blue space lesbians seriously.
Aesieru wrote...
xtorma wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Razgaros wrote...
I could never take this series seriously since I can't even get a camera on my helmet to record reaper threats, when my cell phone, 200 years earlier could do so.
Even with that, it's unlikely they'd believe it.
they believed saren betrayed the council by hearing an audiofile, and never asked for authentication.
Yeah when I saw that without video, i was sure they'd say it was forged, but they didn't.
Aesieru wrote...
Sorry but your opinion towards it Treo, is not factual.
Aesieru wrote...
M.for.Murderousness wrote...
Hey Aesieru--I can't even believe I remember this--weren't you the guy who had a huge hate-thread dedicated to him on the old forums, back before ME2 launched?
Potentially, I had one for ME1 actually.
I'm not very considerate when it comes to dealing with people who are ignorant.
Huge in the regards of like maybe 20 - 30 pages, not 400 type huge.
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Sorry but your opinion towards it Treo, is not factual.
nothing here is factual, including your opinion, but at least our opinions about this is supported by the reaction on this plot, not only this time, but also when battlestar galactica and the matrix was concluded. And at least with those two other franshises it was a bit more original and it fit the tone and lore of their respective universes, and their reasoing behind the plot was more thought out and developed.
you havent had any reasonable argument to why this plot ISNT bad either.
Mass effect on the other hand is a game where gamers are supposed to create their own storyline to a degree, e where promised that our choices would influence the ending in a meaningful way, but it only seems to be dependant on a choice you make in the end, and then your GaW score determines how many of your squadmates survive on that unknown planet.
this was there last game so they could have made the endings way more different without thinking about having to tie it up later.
the tech singularity was a stupid idea in this universe considering the options they had.
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
M.for.Murderousness wrote...
Hey Aesieru--I can't even believe I remember this--weren't you the guy who had a huge hate-thread dedicated to him on the old forums, back before ME2 launched?
Potentially, I had one for ME1 actually.
I'm not very considerate when it comes to dealing with people who are ignorant.
Huge in the regards of like maybe 20 - 30 pages, not 400 type huge.
id say you are the one who is ignorant, not me or anyone else that shares the opinion that the endings suck.
xtorma wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Razgaros wrote...
I could never take this series seriously since I can't even get a camera on my helmet to record reaper threats, when my cell phone, 200 years earlier could do so.
Even with that, it's unlikely they'd believe it.
they believed saren betrayed the council by hearing an audiofile, and never asked for authentication.
Aesieru wrote...
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Sorry but your opinion towards it Treo, is not factual.
nothing here is factual, including your opinion, but at least our opinions about this is supported by the reaction on this plot, not only this time, but also when battlestar galactica and the matrix was concluded. And at least with those two other franshises it was a bit more original and it fit the tone and lore of their respective universes, and their reasoing behind the plot was more thought out and developed.
you havent had any reasonable argument to why this plot ISNT bad either.
Mass effect on the other hand is a game where gamers are supposed to create their own storyline to a degree, e where promised that our choices would influence the ending in a meaningful way, but it only seems to be dependant on a choice you make in the end, and then your GaW score determines how many of your squadmates survive on that unknown planet.
this was there last game so they could have made the endings way more different without thinking about having to tie it up later.
the tech singularity was a stupid idea in this universe considering the options they had.
You can't just say "it's stupid because I think so" and then roll with that.
We had a huge thread a thread a week before that which was discussing it and I participated there with thousands upon thousands of words in regards to the posts I made, so yes, I made logical points and people agreed. You isolate yourself here, well done.
Treopod wrote...
Knowing the endings and the general plot, i personally have a hard time feeling immersed in this universe anymore.
I mean Mass effect was ever since i played the first game, a setting which i would love to live inside, especially since it is meant to be the future of our real timeline. i loved the aliens, the technology and the characters etc.
But now that i know about the endings, the universe doesnt feel mature, logical or even well thought-out enough for me to enjoy the setting anymore, a place where highly intelligent races assume that AI:s always must be evil, all while being completley ignorant to much more logical and easier solutions.
it seems the whole plot behind the basic lore is based on stupid reasoning and clichés, and it makes the main badguys seem silly rather than intimidating.
for me, this makes it less enjoyable to play the first two ME games as well, in fact i was working hard on a new perfect character to bring through the whole trilogy but now i simply cant take this setting serious, its almost like i dont want to be there anymore so i stopped playing.
I realize we dont need anymore whining topics, but im wodnering if these endings ruined the franchise for other people so much that they cant even enjoy the earlier games as well?
it seems to have happened to me, even though i wish i could ignore it.
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Sorry but your opinion towards it Treo, is not factual.
nothing here is factual, including your opinion, but at least our opinions about this is supported by the reaction on this plot, not only this time, but also when battlestar galactica and the matrix was concluded. And at least with those two other franshises it was a bit more original and it fit the tone and lore of their respective universes, and their reasoing behind the plot was more thought out and developed.
you havent had any reasonable argument to why this plot ISNT bad either.
Mass effect on the other hand is a game where gamers are supposed to create their own storyline to a degree, e where promised that our choices would influence the ending in a meaningful way, but it only seems to be dependant on a choice you make in the end, and then your GaW score determines how many of your squadmates survive on that unknown planet.
this was there last game so they could have made the endings way more different without thinking about having to tie it up later.
the tech singularity was a stupid idea in this universe considering the options they had.
You can't just say "it's stupid because I think so" and then roll with that.
We had a huge thread a thread a week before that which was discussing it and I participated there with thousands upon thousands of words in regards to the posts I made, so yes, I made logical points and people agreed. You isolate yourself here, well done.
do you even read? i told you specifically why the plot is bad, because the justification for creating the reaper cycle is WEAK because of the multiple options that exist to avoid the tech singularity issue that make much more sense than what they did, it makes the whole basis for the story weak and shallow.
and i didnt read that thread so obviously if you want to be taken seriously you can repost your arguments here, otherwise nothing you say is worth listening too.
Aesieru wrote...
http://social.biowar...ndex/9613255/14
Here, go look there.
Modifié par Treopod, 04 mars 2012 - 11:41 .
Treopod wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
http://social.biowar...ndex/9613255/14
Here, go look there.
i read through most of the thread, and its closed now so i will have to adress it here.
there was not any valid argument as to why the Reapers motivation was justified, really they believe they are preventing an tech singularity which they deem to be a bad thing, the point is that a tech singularity if achieved by organics themselves, by improing their own dna through technology and gene manipulation and enhancers, they would not have any need for sentient AI:s. so they would never create them.
Also if the Reapers are the transcended organics with uploaded minds of that Society that feared AI:s, why didnt they let them selves have free will?
Cause its obvious that they must have wiped out the AI:s of their time since they still exist, so why did they basically turn themselves into AI:s by limiting their own programming and taking away their free will?
If they didnt do that they would have achieved a tech singularity in a positive way, by organics doing it through their own will, i dont see how that is bad.
Especially since there truly isnt any need to upload themselves into machine bodies, keeping the organic bodies and improving it with gene therapy and small mechanical enchancements would do the same thing while still retaining their organic free will.
Aesieru wrote...
Logically, when the Reapers were created it was by the people who were a hairs breath from being exterminated and the galaxy controlled by AI's. I imagine that in the many times they continued this cycle they saw more AI's. I know the Protheans did the exact same thing the Reapers are afraid of.
Also AI's have an ability to expand and evolve with intelligence as well as maintain numerous things at once that organics will never be able to do themselves, genetic engineering can't change that.
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