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[Tazzmission]

Abaddon_86 wrote...

Whitney f*ckin Houston? Are sey f*ckin serious???

yea i didnt care for the song either

[Efesell]

JC! The nets going.. THE NETS GOING BLACK

[Abaddon_86]

Aside from Whitney f*uckin Houston... this whole ending's so much worse than what I feared would happen, even after reading all the spoilers... So even knowing what would happen, this is just so much worse. Seriously, wtf where they thinking?

Modifié par Abaddon_86, 04 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Hexxys wrote...

You're saying the same thing he is, you're just phrasing it in a way that diminishes the contradiction.

There's no contradiction. The idea is to pave the way for organic life to continue over and over in the same vein from planet-bound to spacefaring and no further than that, because to allow it to develop uninhibited risks the development of a technological apocalypse that would end all organic life, not just the organic civilization currently at the apex of the Reaper's prescribed development routine. They're wiping out all the developed civilizations to "save" the ones that haven't developed yet. It's a system designed to ensure that organic life in general endures eternally, without end. The cost is the life that prevails in the now.

It's the logical conclusion of the kind of mindset that gives birth to organizations like Cerberus, if you allow yourself to take the thought process behind it all the way. The races being exterminated by the Reapers are a "necessary sacrifice" for the good of the galaxy, in this case because they, apparently, will eventually destroy themselves along with every other organic race anyway. The Reapers instigate their own periodic "End Times" to prevent that from ever happening.

The "contradiction" is one you're supposed to see--it's the thought running through Shepard's mind when he listens to the explanation and dismisses it.

The real question is whether or not the Reapers' logic should be considered valid enough that it overrides the free will and survival rights of billions upon billions of sentient beings.

[Efesell]

Also, once again, the music is from the stream. Come on guys.

[YorickMori]

Why does the Guardian say that synthetics rebel against their creators, yet the Quarians made peace with the Geth? And aren't the Reapers synthetic too? So why do they want to protect organic life? Where is the sociopathic, murderous Sovereign from Mass Effect 1? Suddenly they are the good guys?


By the way, there is no Whitney Huston in-game, I think that's obvious. The Lion King soundtrack from the credits is enough proof for that.

Modifié par YorickMori, 04 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[AdmiralCheez]

That was nowhere near as bad as the internet made it out to be.

[Butthead11]

YorickMori wrote...

Why does the kid say that synthetics rebel against their creators, yet the Quarians made peace with the Geth?

And why would i be afraid of races like the geth when Organics just managed to wipe out a race of Robot gods harvesting the galaxy. 

[Tazzmission]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

That was nowhere near as bad as the internet made it out to be.

i know right?

[Aargh12]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

That was nowhere near as bad as the internet made it out to be.

The Internet is raging because all the endings look similar, not because they are that weak.

[Hexedcoder]

Butthead11 wrote...

Deus ex

Destroy Helios, Merge with Helios, Control Helios

[Adragalus]

Efesell wrote...

Also, once again, the music is from the stream. Come on guys.

Yeah, I've heard the OST. There is so Whitney Houston, relax.

[marstor05]

well if there are any survivors they have plenty of vegitation to munch on.

[Hexxys]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

You're saying the same thing he is, you're just phrasing it in a way that diminishes the contradiction.

There's no contradiction. The idea is to pave the way for organic life to continue over and over in the same vein from planet-bound to spacefaring and no further than that, because to allow it to develop uninhibited risks the development of a technological apocalypse that would end all organic life, not just the organic civilization currently at the apex of the Reaper's prescribed development routine. They're wiping out all the developed civilizations to "save" the ones that haven't developed yet. It's a system designed to ensure that organic life in general endures eternally, without end. The cost is the life that prevails in the now.

It's the logical conclusion of the kind of mindset that gives birth to organizations like Cerberus, if you allow yourself to take the thought process behind it all the way. The races being exterminated by the Reapers are a "necessary sacrifice" for the good of the galaxy, in this case because they, apparently, will eventually destroy themselves along with every other organic race anyway. The Reapers instigate their own periodic "End Times" to prevent that from ever happening.

The "contradiction" is one you're supposed to see--it's the thought running through Shepard's mind when he listens to the explanation and dismisses it.

The real question is whether or not the Reapers' logic should be considered valid enough that it overrides the free will and survival rights of billions upon billions of sentient beings.

I fully understand what the reapers' intentions were.  That doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, they're still doing what the guy you originally quoted said they are doing.  The reaper's existence is a contradiction to their goals.  The only difference is they have self-imposed limits, and have arbitrarily decided that future AI's wouldn't reach a similar conclusion (if at all).

They're still synthetic life killing off organic life so that organic life can't create synthetic life that kills off organic life.

Modifié par Hexxys, 04 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

That was nowhere near as bad as the internet made it out to be.

Nothing is ever as bad or good as the Internet makes it out to be. Ever. It's like a law of physics or something.

Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 and Big Rigs are merely exceptions that prove the rule.

[I_Jedi]

marstor05 wrote...

well if there are any survivors they have plenty of vegitation to munch on.

No way it has problems.

[AkiKishi]

I'm speechless and not in a good way. It's different to the ending I saw (obviously he was locked into the destroy ending at some point). But everything else plays out the same Joker, the crash, the hatch etc.

If you do it right the kid lays out all the options in that scene.

[Garrus30]

Aargh12 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

That was nowhere near as bad as the internet made it out to be.

The Internet is raging because all the endings look similar, not because they are that weak.

Not really, in the 400+ thread you read that some people complain about  that the endings aren't different, that the ending was badly written->weak ending or that some thing doesn't make any sense.

Modifié par Garrus30, 04 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Efesell]

See the real twist is that the story being told isn't even a true one. It's all psycho food delusions.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Hexxys wrote...

They're still synthetic life killing off organic life so that organic life can't create synthetic life that kills off organic life.

The way it was worded, the sarcasm laced throughout the statement, strongly implied that the concept makes no inherent sense. It does make sense, which is why I called it on oversimplifying the idea; if anything, the Reapers' motivation for Reaping is the least potentially offensive aspect of the ending.

[Aesieru]

I_Jedi wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

well if there are any survivors they have plenty of vegitation to munch on.

No way it has problems.

You never learn..

Reported for VIOLATING CODE OF CONDUCT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU AGREED TO.

STOP SPAMMING IMAGES THAT MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB..

[Eradyn]

Abaddon_86 wrote...

Whitney f*ckin Houston? Are they f*ckin serious???

It's not really in the game.

[AkiKishi]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

They're still synthetic life killing off organic life so that organic life can't create synthetic life that kills off organic life.

The way it was worded, the sarcasm laced throughout the statement, strongly implied that the concept makes no inherent sense. It does make sense, which is why I called it on oversimplifying the idea; if anything, the Reapers' motivation for Reaping is the least potentially offensive aspect of the ending.

The Dark Judges were originally a group of lawkeepers from a parallel dimension. They were led by Judge Death, who had determined that all crime was committed by the living. Thus, by his logic, all life was a crime. Originally mortal, the four Judges encountered Phobia and Nausea (the Sisters of Death) in a cave. The Sisters were death cultists and mass murderers with supernatural powers, and the four Dark Judges became undead beings, subsequently murdering the entire population of their world.

There is a difference between making sense and being sensible.

[I_Jedi]

Aesieru wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

well if there are any survivors they have plenty of vegitation to munch on.

No way it has problems.

You never learn..

Reported for VIOLATING CODE OF CONDUCT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU AGREED TO.

STOP SPAMMING IMAGES THAT MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB..

Enlighten me.

[Demon Velsper]

Tazzmission wrote...

 another poster found this

any ideas guys?

Assume that they just pull a Dragon Age: Origins and put you back to a time before you destroy/merge/control Helio... I mean the Guardian.