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[Eagle301]

Maybe it is just me, but does it seem to anyone else like it is kind of dumb for them to throw in all this extra stuff about the Reapers at the end? I don't understand why Bioware has to put in a reason to justify the Reapers' actions that they can't just be evil.

What's wrong with the Reapers being evil merely for the sake of being evil?

[Dark Specie]

Because For teh evil lulz gets boring?

[Efesell]

Eh, evil just for the sake of evil isn't very interesting in a main villain.

I may not fully agree with the reasoning they have, but I prefer that they actually have reasons instead of just "Eh why not"

[Juniper Mucius]

Name one person in history that had an army that were "evil" for the sake of being evil. Sovereign said from the beginning that we couldn't understand them, and that this is our "salvation through destruction".

Evil is also religiously inspired. Many Christians would say I'm evil because I'm a bisexual nontheist alone. Evil is defined by society and culture. You expect millenia old species to have the same moral outlook as a modern human society that is dominated by the Abrahamic faiths?

[Ballz Noble]

There is always a sufficient reason why things exist. If not it would be a pop theory where things just come out of no where.

No substance, no plot and no ground for the story to break its self off.

[dw99027]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Name one person in history that had an army that were "evil" for the sake of being evil. Sovereign said from the beginning that we couldn't understand them, and that this is our "salvation through destruction".

Evil is also religiously inspired. Many Christians would say I'm evil because I'm a bisexual nontheist alone. Evil is defined by society and culture. You expect millenia old species to have the same moral outlook as a modern human society that is dominated by the Abrahamic faiths?

Agreed on the first part. Many tidbits in the first two games hint to them serving a higher purpose. The Reapers were created by the writers to be just that. 

[Taleroth]

I thought the ME2 justification was sufficient.

[xtorma]

It's fiction. the reapers are not evil, because that is the way they decided to write it. You don't have to like thier art....but there it is.

[corkey sweet]

i actually agree with the idea that bioware came up with regarding the reapers. now all they have to do is not mess up the ending. OH, WAIT A SECOND......LOl

[shin-zan]

I think they are. The justification they give for their existence isn't a good one, just because the reaper's creators thought they were necessary doesn't make it so.

[Juniper Mucius]

Look at comic books. Almost every villain used to be "evil for the fun of it". Then we grew up as a society and realized the world is a shade of gray, not just black and white. Now almost every villain has a purpose and belief. Even the Joker does often times.

Making the Reapers say, "lol, we're evil just cause," would be moronic. I like their reasoning. I think what they do is evil, even if they don't. I think National Socialists are scum that should be purged from existence. They believe they are good. Stop thinking they aren't evil because they say they aren't. That's not how it works.

[Sylvanpyxie]

Because For teh evil lulz gets boring?

Being evil for the sake of being evil is proving to be a diminishing quality in bad guys.

It seems now a days there needs to be some kind of moral grey area for everything the bad guys do. Simply because being evil isn't seen as "viable".

I honestly quite miss it.

[SuperVulcan]

I really thought reapers harvested all life for energy, fuel or something. I figured that they were kind of similar to Galactus or something.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I really thought reapers harvested all life for energy, fuel or something

I'm glad i'm not the only one.

Reapers require organic matter to create new Reapers, we know this. Why did they have to become magical guardians of organic life that live in a constant paradox? Why couldn't they very well be space bugs that needed us to live?

Heck, they could even have been a giant Galactic Library, harvesting organics to add their cultures and experiences to achives, due to some pre-historic old school prgramming that their creators put upon them.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 05 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[OdanUrr]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I really thought reapers harvested all life for energy, fuel or something

I'm glad i'm not the only one.

Reapers require organic matter to create new Reapers, we know this. Why did they have to become magical guardians of organic life that live in a constant paradox? Why couldn't they very well be space bugs that needed us to live?

This would've made more sense.

[granyte]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I really thought reapers harvested all life for energy, fuel or something

I'm glad i'm not the only one.

Reapers require organic matter to create new Reapers, we know this. Why did they have to become magical guardians of organic life that live in a constant paradox? Why couldn't they very well be space bugs that needed us to live?

Heck, they could even have been a giant Galactic Library, harvesting organics to add their cultures and experiences to achives, due to some pre-historic old school prgramming that their creators put upon them.

this would have been better

[SuperVulcan]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I really thought reapers harvested all life for energy, fuel or something

I'm glad i'm not the only one.

Reapers require organic matter to create new Reapers, we know this. Why did they have to become magical guardians of organic life that live in a constant paradox? Why couldn't they very well be space bugs that needed us to live?

I agree, why couldn't they just be simple, evil consuming monsters? The whole thing with 'salvation through destruction' could have very well interpreted as them destroying a species individuality and making them a reaper with the rest. The reapers should have been the threat that they try to prevent, sort of.

Modifié par SuperVulcan, 05 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Guglio08]

"There's no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms. The enemies we fight are only in relative terms, constantly changing with the times."

[HairyMadDog1010]

Dark Specie wrote...

Because For teh evil lulz gets boring?

[The Rime Scheme]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Name one person in history that had an army that were "evil" for the sake of being evil. Sovereign said from the beginning that we couldn't understand them, and that this is our "salvation through destruction".
 

So don't make them straight evil, but don't explain them either. Keep hinting that it's beyond our comprehension, and leave it at that. Don't say we can't understand it and yet somehow have us understand it.

Too much amibiguous retconning plothole DEM crap for me too handle lately, sorry. I just feel like the whole series has done a 180, now.

[Eterna]

Because it's boring.

[KMYash]

Dark Specie wrote...

Because For teh evil lulz gets boring?

Tell that to the Joker and I don't mean Jeff

[WizenSlinky0]

Because if they were evil they wouldn't leave organics left to rebuild.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Because the Reapers are a sentient life form in a fictional world adhering to some semblance of the rules of the real world. In the real world, there's no such thing as pure good and evil. Even the most sinister people in history had some noble goals, or used severely misguided logic to reach their horrific conclusions. The Reapers people evil for the sake of evil would be unbelievable, unrewarding and lazy writing.

[Hexxys]

Efesell wrote...

Eh, evil just for the sake of evil isn't very interesting in a main villain.

I may not fully agree with the reasoning they have, but I prefer that they actually have reasons instead of just "Eh why not"

I'm going to have to disagree here.  True chaotic evil characters can be some of the most entertaining.  Heath Ledger's Joker, for example, is a modern example of how it can be pulled off to great effect.