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[AKofC]

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Modifié par AKofC, 05 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[I_Jedi]

The story is told by a senile old man. Did you really expect it to make sense in the slightest?

[kelton312]

I lol'd ^

[Mr.House]

Space magic.

[MJF JD]

once grandpa finished talking about the lesbian shower scene he kind of just glazed over the ending.

[Aesieru]

It exploded because it was trying to accelerate that asteroid with the element zero dark energy and it was failing and the kinetic force impacted on it transfered to the relay and so it was broke and the current energy build up detonated on itself causing that devastating supernova.

But, if the energy explosion came not from a self destruct but from merely destroying the capacity for the relay to function after it transferred the beam, or merely overloading the systems, then it would have no charge to detonate and would just explode.

[Efesell]

I thought they just sort of overload in the endings.

Not..destroyed and forced to release a ton of energy in one spot.

[curly haired boy]

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

it's the difference between a building blowing up and a building collapsing as the result of a controlled demolition

in a word, no.

[AKofC]

Aesieru wrote...

It exploded because it was trying to accelerate that asteroid with the element zero dark energy and it was failing and the kinetic force impacted on it transfered to the relay and so it was broke and the current energy build up detonated on itself causing that devastating supernova.

But, if the energy explosion came not from a self destruct but from merely destroying the capacity for the relay to function after it transferred the beam, or merely overloading the systems, then it would have no charge to detonate and would just explode.

You sure? I thought it was because of Indoctrination. 

[SovereignWillReturn]

I_Jedi wrote...

The story is told by a senile old man. Did you really expect it to make sense in the slightest?

+9001

[OdanUrr]

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

[Juniper Mucius]

It's canon. One is an explosion due to an outside force, the other is a self-contained self-destruct of sorts.

[WizenSlinky0]

I_Jedi wrote...

The story is told by a senile old pedophile. Did you really expect it to make sense in the slightest?

Fixed that for you.

[Aesieru]

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

Oh that's easy.

Relays are molecularly shielded. The problem is, a significant kinetic energy impact could cause damage because kinetic energy isn't a type of plasma, heat or energy type of "energy" as people think as much as kinetic force. Any impact from kinetics while impart whatever that kinetic object's mass was based  on its acceleration.

They explained this pretty well actually.

[AKofC]

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

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In...Indoctrination...?

[Aesieru]

AKofC wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

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In...Indoctrination...?

ENCHANTMENT!

[xtorma]

Aesieru wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

Oh that's easy.

Relays are molecularly shielded. The problem is, a significant kinetic energy impact could cause damage because kinetic energy isn't a type of plasma, heat or energy type of "energy" as people think as much as kinetic force. Any impact from kinetics while impart whatever that kinetic object's mass was based  on its acceleration.

They explained this pretty well actually.

That was not well written and kinda hard to understand.

[AKofC]

Oh lets make a huge thing in space but make sure it's shielded from exploding stars and the like, but don't bother with shielding it from kinetic stuff because out there in space, there is no way anything is ever going to bump into it ever.

[Aesieru]

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

Oh that's easy.

Relays are molecularly shielded. The problem is, a significant kinetic energy impact could cause damage because kinetic energy isn't a type of plasma, heat or energy type of "energy" as people think as much as kinetic force. Any impact from kinetics while impart whatever that kinetic object's mass was based  on its acceleration.

They explained this pretty well actually.

That was not well written and kinda hard to understand.

Sigh.

Kinetic Force is the one type of energy that an "energy field" could not stop because a kinetic application of force differs in how it transfers the inherent force within it.

For instance, the only reason mass effect shields work is not because they block or deflect the bullets, it is because they lower the mass and acceleration of them in a manageable way to the point that it is no longer a threat. This drains energy though from its power source which is why shields aren't permanent. This is also why no energy field type shield ever existed and they used armor albation that peeled off after being shot by energy or laser beams so as to stop it from overheating the structure below.

We're off track now though.

An asteroid has significant kinetic mass and when accelerated generates a kinetic force that can destroy a relay.

A giant supernova is only imparting radiation, gamma, heat, and plasma at everything around it, anything significantly shielded from that such as a relay that is shielded to such a degree that you can't even break a tiny piece off of it with a laser drill of extreme intensity, is going to survive.

This was explained.

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Logically there's no way you could protect it from significant kinetic objects beyond its own mass. Just can't happen.

If it tried to lower the mass of an asteroid the asteroid would prove too large to encompass and it couldn't stop it.

An object in motion stays in motion until acted upon by an equal and opposite force.

Modifié par Aesieru, 05 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Vaenier]

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

It was on the outer blast of a nova, maybe not even its star went nova, but a nearby one.

[Efesell]

AKofC wrote...

Oh lets make a huge thing in space but make sure it's shielded from exploding stars and the like, but don't bother with shielding it from kinetic stuff because out there in space, there is no way anything is ever going to bump into it ever.

It probably is designed to withstand the odd bit of debris.

That does not mean it was designed to withstand an asteroid fired directly at it.

One that was larger than the relay itself, as I recall.

Modifié par Efesell, 05 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[Aesieru]

Vaenier wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

It was on the outer blast of a nova, maybe not even its star went nova, but a nearby one.

And a nova is composed of types of non kinetic energy.

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Arrival Scene

Modifié par Aesieru, 05 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[Vaenier]

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

It was on the outer blast of a nova, maybe not even its star went nova, but a nearby one.

And a nova is composed of types of non kinetic energy.

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Arrival Scene

Also kinetic energy. particles have kinetic energy, more kinetic energy would be released from a nova than an asteroid do 88 mph.

[Aesieru]

Vaenier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Because if a Mass Relay explodes, as seen in the ending, shouldn't it pretty much wipe out the system it's in? 

Arrival is canon. Since you're talking about sense, explain to me how a relay can survive the blast of a supernova but gets obliterated by an asteroid.

It was on the outer blast of a nova, maybe not even its star went nova, but a nearby one.

And a nova is composed of types of non kinetic energy.

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Arrival Scene

Also kinetic energy. particles have kinetic energy, more kinetic energy would be released from a nova than an asteroid do 88 mph.

Except the energy isn't concentrated so much as split across a massive radius. An asteroid is a strike-type weapon and everything from that impact is transferred.

[Efesell]

Also that Asteroid was aimed right at the big glowy weak spot. Critical Hit.