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[Warlord_Thuran]

Right, first of all it should be noted that this is pure speculation. I don't have specific numbers, but that isn't the purpose of this thread, rather it is more of a thought experiment if you will.

From what we have seen so far, there are a LOT of concerns regarding the quality of ME3 even prior to release, from the 3 game modes, to the ending being bad, to the RPG elements having been mostly removed, even in RPG mode through the use of auto-dialogue.

Now, we can all agree that ME3 is one of the most anticipated RPG's ever made, we all have our Shepards and we are all waiting with baited breath to see the storyline reach it's epic armaggedon-like climax where we finally get to throw down against the reapers and end it.

However, with great hype comes usually great disappointment, especailly when it is related to characters that players have grown to actually give a damn about and in the case of Shepard have come to regard as "their Shepard" rather than just "the guy you play in that game.". There is a lot of emotional investment for a lot of players with this.

So, for many it will probably be crushing to see all of this come to naught and have the final, arguably most important, chapter ruined in favour of cooporate greed and "catering to the casual CoD mass".

However, Bioware simply making a bad game wouldn't be all that alarming, hell, most people i've talked to agree that ME2 was not all that good a game, but forgave it's flaws, especially in the story department, due to it being mostly and interlude and buildup to the finale. But, Bioware is also a company whose current reputation is one of making the best RPGs out there and one of the few companies that truly get how to tell great stories and keep improving the RPG genre which has lately been invaded by the MMO wave.

More importantly, ME2 can be considered to have been the last "good" game that bioware have made, with DA2 being largely recognised as a steaming pile of junk that had forsaken the classic RPG elements of the original, and Swtor apparently losing players fairly fast. That means that if ME3 fails to be a good game, it owuld be 3 games in a row that have not lived up to expectations.

Already I have heard people say that they are not planning to buy DA3 simply because they don't feel the series is worth bothering with anymore after DA2, and if the same happens with mass effect, that would lead to the 2 main franchises of the company comitting brutal suicide for the sake of trying to appeal to casuals. This in turn could in the worst case create general distrust in the company and it's future games and lead to the RPG playerbase abandoning it, since the company cannot be trusted to make proper games anymore.

So, the question to speculate is the following: Could ME3 sucking effectively kill off any goodwill amongst it's customers and leads to the idea that the company has compromised it's qualities and it's franchices crashed and burned? Could ME3 be the game that kills off Bioware's credibility as a game company and deter it's core customers from buying Bioware games in the future?

[DownClown]

Let's see.

CLUCK NO! (Reaperized Miranda!)

I honestly don't see how people can get so offended at a game as not to buy it, even before it comes out. And i liked DA2 enough to beat it like six times lol

Modifié par DownClown, 05 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[RoboticWater]

For may people, it will mean the end of Bioware if ME3 is bad but if it is I won't just quit with them entirely, that's a little to far considering Bioware games aren't complete failures (I haven't played DA 2 though). I may be more cynical about the rest of their games though.

Modifié par BlahDog, 05 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[graciegrace]

million preorders...

I think their next game will suffer from DA2 and ME3's gigantic fall in quality though...

[izmirtheastarach]

tl/dr. It's going to be a huge moneymaker, regardless of all the flack.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Meltemph]

It's not a bioware game or forum without these kind of topics. I remember seeing these with NWN, it's such a joy to see such level headed topics.

[SLPr0]

If ME3 does "suck" I doubt it will tank BioWare entirely, but, I can safely say that if it sucks, and Bethesda puts out Fallout 4 using their new Creation engine they used with Skyrim, I'll probably be putting Bethsoft back at the top of my list of developers.

BioWare and Bethsoft have always been a neck and neck race for me, I think BioWare tells stories better, but Bethsoft tends to make better RPG's, if Bethsoft was to somehow get their story telling more compelling, BioWare would very quickly become a second rate developer in comparison.

[DarkPsylocke26]

No because if you believe everything you see on youtube is your downfall.

[laststarfighter]

Besthsoft is a prime example of what you are talking about, they are still a financial success. ME3 has already done extremely well as a pre order and I seriously doubt that the number if disenchanted fans that ME3 created will not be the majority. As long as Bioware/EA makes money they'll be fine. As for the goodwill....games have short memories and are easily soothed by future promises.

[Eragondragonrider]

I think if a lot of the stuff is true for ME3 then yes sale will hurt for Bioware, but there will people that still buy their games blindly. Same with any company Blizzard, Bethesda and so on. I think more people will wait until reviews come out before the buy the next installment but I don't see their sales hurting enough to force EA to close shop on BioWare.

Modifié par Eragondragonrider, 05 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Seker666]

BlahDog wrote...

For may people, it will mean the end of Bioware if ME3 is bad.

I don't think people will quit because it bad but rather because they are making mistakes a veteran company shouldn't (mainly EA's fault in my oppinion) and leaving the types of games they do best. Like they've established themselves by making rpg's and their recent games dont reflect that.

[Il Divo]

No. In my opinion, people will always jump at the opportunity to play a good game, because it's about the entertainment factor. Even if people think everything about Bioware from ME2 onwards has been terrible, they will jump the moment they see a game which they think fits their fun criteria. I think the ones saying that they won't touch DA3 are in actuality saying that they don't see Bioware making it in a style that will appeal to them. But if it had the quality of DA:O, there wouldn't be any hesitation.

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[DJStarstryker]

I don't know. I thought Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy IX were going to be Square Enix's undoing. But then they put out FFX, FFX-2, FFXIII, and the Dissidia games, which I all like.

You just have to realize you shouldn't blindly buy everything a company makes. Buy it on if you think it has potential to be good or not.

[FoxShadowblade]

graciegrace wrote...

million preorders...

I think their next game will suffer from DA2 and ME3's gigantic fall in quality though...

Your "gigantic fall in quality" makes me want to buy their next games. DA2 was rushed and as such lacked much of what ME3 will have, so I'll give to a fair point on half of that, but ME3 will without a doubt be a game of amazing quality.

BioWare will have fans, with or without the hardcore RPG-purists they've had for a long time. Mass Effect has brought more casual gamers into their market that are here to stay, and even made hardcore shooter fans become hardcore RPG fans(like myself)

Despite the general feeling of the forum, the 'casual gamers' are always the bigger portion of the fanbase, and I can guarentee most of them will love the game, regardless of how many dialogue choices there are, how the combat is, or if the inventory system is really good.

So to OP: No, it will not be anything less than a success for BioWare, and I wish them well in their future games, as I will remain a loyal fan of their work.

[RoboticWater]

SLPr0 wrote...

If ME3 does "suck" I doubt it will tank BioWare entirely, but, I can safely say that if it sucks, and Bethesda puts out Fallout 4 using their new Creation engine they used with Skyrim, I'll probably be putting Bethsoft back at the top of my list of developers.

BioWare and Bethsoft have always been a neck and neck race for me, I think BioWare tells stories better, but Bethsoft tends to make better RPG's, if Bethsoft was to somehow get their story telling more compelling, BioWare would very quickly become a second rate developer in comparison.

Open world and story-telling don't mix. Linearity is the only way to tell good stories so I doubt Beth would start having good stories just like that.

Modifié par BlahDog, 05 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

laststarfighter wrote...

Besthsoft is a prime example of what you are talking about, they are still a financial success. ME3 has already done extremely well as a pre order and I seriously doubt that the number if disenchanted fans that ME3 created will not be the majority. As long as Bioware/EA makes money they'll be fine. As for the goodwill....games have short memories and are easily soothed by future promises.

Thing is, they can't depend solely on pre-orders. DA2 is a prime example. They did well with sales out the door yes, but saw a severe drop afterwards. When you are following a successful product it makes things easier, but burn your customers and they'll be hesitant the second time around. With ME3 being the last of the trilogy they'll get away with some of it. Although it will effect their sales for following releases of any of their titles if it's poorly recieved. DA3 is going to be a much tougher sell than the DA2 ever was.

[JasonPogo]

I think if ME3 fails in the same way DA2 did it will go a long way to hurting Biowares cred these days. However that said I don't think ME3 will be bad as all these people are thinking it will be. I am kinda pissed there is no sunshine and rainbow endings in it ME3 but I don't think that will equal ME3 being a bad game.

[Jacen987]

Very doubtful. Mass Effect III will probably win GOTY. Will it deserve it? Against titles like AC3,GTA5,Diablo 3, MaxPayne3,......

Well, lets put it this way? Did ME2 deserve GOTY?

[Itkovian]

See, the thing is that no matter what game they make, it will always anger a bunch of people. This is unavoidable... you can't please everyone.

Then those people angered by this or that design choice will then flock to the forums and flood them with complaints. This is a natural negative bias, as the people who are content do not bother posting on the forums... but those who are displeased are much more likely to do so.

And of course, on top of that you will have the malicious trolls who do their best to spark and fan the flames.

The forums around ME2 release were exactly like this. As were they when DAO was released (and DA2, naturally), as well as ME1.

As such, any prediction that is based on forum reactions is inherently wrong, as the forums are the worst place to learn how a given game is truly being received (same goes for any user review sites, for the exact same reasons cited above).

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Homebound]

DA2 was Bioware's undoing. ME3 is their chance for redemption. get your facts straight op.

[RoboticWater]

Seker666 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

For may people, it will mean the end of Bioware if ME3 is bad.

I don't think people will quit because it bad but rather because they are making mistakes a veteran company shouldn't (mainly EA's fault in my oppinion) and leaving the types of games they do best. Like they've established themselves by making rpg's and their recent games dont reflect that.

Well, I find that Bioware is a very experimental company that does many "tests" with their games. This is why I believe they are so prone to release DLC.  ME has evolved greatly since its inception, in some ways good and in other bad but that shouldn't define Bioware as a company. If they do release a new IP, i think Bioware will do a great job with it considering the ammount of experiments that they have done on ME. Now this is all speculation on my part but I tihnk that any complete faliure with Bioware is just an opportunity for them to learn.   

[laststarfighter]

I think the success of SWtoR has a lot more to do with Biowares success than DA or ME

[GnusmasTHX]

Far from it.