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[Cainne Chapel]

I would agree with Dragoon.

To me personally I dont care WHAT kind of game they make as long as its enjoyable, because I owe know fealty to a certain genre of gaming.

I love RPGs, truly I do, but I also play action, adventure, Strategy, FPS, sports, driving, etc etc. It all comes down to what one finds enjoyable and no game will ever be perfect. Close? maybe, but not perfect.

Besides its not like the ME series is the first action game Bioware has made... has everyone forgotten Shattered Steel or MDK2? I mean its only been 16 years since SS and a little over 10 for MDK

Granted a majority of their games have been classified as RPGs, but heck most of them were different enough at their time of release (KoTOR, JE) that I wouldnt have right off the bat said they were RPGs from the get go (I still have friends who did not play RPGs at ALL, fall in love with KoToR, big SW fans though.)

So really we shouldnt be slaves to a genre, but enjoy a good game to enjoy a good game. RPG or not

[Bleachrude]

*Shrug*...seems more like they might be heading towards the "adventure" side of the videogame landscape...

[Sonintega]

Bioware's generating far more good will than they are siphoning. The multiplayer demonstrates that the gameplay is solid, and every story related video I've seen is top notch. Even with all of the DLC nonsense (which I will inevitably itch to purchase) Bioware stands at the top of their field in delivering a strong story-telling experience bolstered by engaging gameplay and interactive narrative. Everybody needs to stop being so proud of being panicky and nitpicking. If you look at the last page of the book you lose all context for the novel. If you spend too much think about things they should've done you'll lose sight of everything that is there, which by all appearances is truly great, considering the previews and reviews from sites that are coming in that aren't constantly obsessing over negative details. Relax. Enjoy. And if you still think you could've done it better, there's always fan-fiction.

[Rrezz]

just play the damned game and enjoy. its not going to undo Bioware.

[Cainne Chapel]

Sonintega wrote...

Bioware's generating far more good will than they are siphoning. The multiplayer demonstrates that the gameplay is solid, and every story related video I've seen is top notch. Even with all of the DLC nonsense (which I will inevitably itch to purchase) Bioware stands at the top of their field in delivering a strong story-telling experience bolstered by engaging gameplay and interactive narrative. Everybody needs to stop being so proud of being panicky and nitpicking. If you look at the last page of the book you lose all context for the novel. If you spend too much think about things they should've done you'll lose sight of everything that is there, which by all appearances is truly great, considering the previews and reviews from sites that are coming in that aren't constantly obsessing over negative details. Relax. Enjoy. And if you still think you could've done it better, there's always fan-fiction.

Now I'm an information hog as much as any other net-surfer, but even I dont get WANTING to spoil something for yourself that you have the least bit interest in playing.

having played ME1 and ME2, I would never WANT to read all the spoilers or the leaked script, etc.  I'd much rather enjoy the game as a whole.  So I dont get that practice of ruining something for yourself and THEN complaining you dont like it.  That just seems....backwards to me.  Now I like knowing as much about what i'm buying as anyone else, but thats like reading the cliff notes of a book you're eagerly awaiting.  Kinda ruins the point ya know?

I dont mind learning general things like basic plot, voice actors, gameplay additions, etc.  But (especially in a story driven game) I would never want to ruin the core of the experience for myself.

[Alchemist4]

Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I play, so if there isn't anymore ME games in the future, this is it for me.

[Unfallen_Satan]

Short answer "yes" with an "if." Long answer "no" with a "but."

[JonathonPR]

Bioware will remain but the fan base will change. If they cannot adapt to the new base while competing with rivals they will disappear. If their core talent is unwilling to be involved with the new direction of their games and they cannot replace them then they will disappear. companies can survive horrible setbacks. Enron still exists as a withered shell in Texas I think.

[Sonintega]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Sonintega wrote...

Bioware's generating far more good will than they are siphoning. The multiplayer demonstrates that the gameplay is solid, and every story related video I've seen is top notch. Even with all of the DLC nonsense (which I will inevitably itch to purchase) Bioware stands at the top of their field in delivering a strong story-telling experience bolstered by engaging gameplay and interactive narrative. Everybody needs to stop being so proud of being panicky and nitpicking. If you look at the last page of the book you lose all context for the novel. If you spend too much think about things they should've done you'll lose sight of everything that is there, which by all appearances is truly great, considering the previews and reviews from sites that are coming in that aren't constantly obsessing over negative details. Relax. Enjoy. And if you still think you could've done it better, there's always fan-fiction.

Now I'm an information hog as much as any other net-surfer, but even I dont get WANTING to spoil something for yourself that you have the least bit interest in playing.

having played ME1 and ME2, I would never WANT to read all the spoilers or the leaked script, etc.  I'd much rather enjoy the game as a whole.  So I dont get that practice of ruining something for yourself and THEN complaining you dont like it.  That just seems....backwards to me.  Now I like knowing as much about what i'm buying as anyone else, but thats like reading the cliff notes of a book you're eagerly awaiting.  Kinda ruins the point ya know?

I dont mind learning general things like basic plot, voice actors, gameplay additions, etc.  But (especially in a story driven game) I would never want to ruin the core of the experience for myself.

I'm the same way about spoilers, and I've learned far more details that I would've liked not to know here in the "spoiler free" section than from the regulated coverage provided by IGN, Gamespot, or Gameinformer (cus they could get sued if they break embargo, so they don't point out anyting too intense). So I've only looked into opening material, gameplay generalities, preview impressions, stage setting details really. Nothing too intense, aside from the occasional jerk on this site that seems intent on ruining the experience for others.

[Gatt9]

So, the question to speculate is the following: Could ME3 sucking effectively kill off any goodwill amongst it's customers and leads to the idea that the company has compromised it's qualities and it's franchices crashed and burned? Could ME3 be the game that kills off Bioware's credibility as a game company and deter it's core customers from buying Bioware games in the future?

No, it's the combination of DA2 and a potentially bad ME3 that would do it. People forgive one bad game, but two in a row and intentionally shifting genres to exclude your fanbase without telling them what you're doing, letting them find out after they bought the game, that's disasterous.

In the end, if they made a major deviation from the RPG style with ME3, without telling anyone, and expressely avoiding the auto-dialogue thread, that's going to generate an enourmous amount of ill-will.

We will find out Tuesday if they deviated significantly, but I question their ability to continue if they did.

[Savber100]

If Bioware wants to make its own Uncharted game, it can go make such games.

Just stop butchering the franchises that were promised as RPGs etc...

[ref]

Will it be a financial success? You bet, will it be praised from every big review site? Yep. Will a ton of fans be upset with the ending? Oh yes

[Cainne Chapel]

Savber... Mass Effect was never promished as an RPG

It was ALWAYS an RPG-action hybrid.

and whats wrong with Uncharted? Glorious series. Not an RPG no, but what does that matter? a Good game is a good game.

and Gatt9, Revulsion of DA2 is NOT universal, trust me. Its FAR from being the worst game ever made, but it IS exceedingly average. Even so Neither will cause bioware to crumble.

Heck if you look at BSN long enough you can make arguments that neither ME1 or ME2 are worth the praise that they BOTH received.

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hell, some early RPGs didn't even have dialogue, let alone choices.

I can definitely deal with no dialogue or choices. I sound like a broken record with this, but Dark Souls really had neither and I consider it one of my favorite games. I'd just rather not see that 2/3rds of the way through a science fiction epic, built on the understanding that I have a great deal of control over Shepard and his dialogue. It dramatically changes the context of my interactions with the game, and not for the better (imo).

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[ValendianKnight]

You guys realize that ME2 had the same EXACT type of topics coming out before it's release? You know, saying Bioware sold out, that it was going to be terrible, and that they would lose all their "hardcore" fans? I clearly remember this. See how that turned out? Many consider it far superior to the first, and even those that don't, can't say it's all that bad with a straight face either, especially if they are still following the series.

I'm sure Bioware will be just fine, and will continue to make good games for those who enjoy them.

[Cainne Chapel]

ValendianKnight wrote...

You guys realize that ME2 had the same EXACT type of topics coming out before it's release? You know, saying Bioware sold out, that it was going to be terrible, and that they would lose all their "hardcore" fans? I clearly remember this. See how that turned out? Many consider it far superior to the first, and even those that don't, can't say it's all that bad with a straight face either, especially if they are still following the series.

I'm sure Bioware will be just fine, and will continue to make good games for those who enjoy them.

But Valendian! I've been a fan of  bioware for YEARS and if they make certain choices I PERSONALLY dont like they have no RIGHT to keep operating as a business due to me pulling my own personal support!

[FoxShadowblade]

ValendianKnight wrote...

You guys realize that ME2 had the same EXACT type of topics coming out before it's release? You know, saying Bioware sold out, that it was going to be terrible, and that they would lose all their "hardcore" fans? I clearly remember this. See how that turned out? Many consider it far superior to the first, and even those that don't, can't say it's all that bad with a straight face either, especially if they are still following the series.

I'm sure Bioware will be just fine, and will continue to make good games for those who enjoy them.

Now now, don't you be bringing logic onto the internet. 

[Severyx]

Funny, the only people I've seen concerned are the loud minority here on these forums.

BioWare's a great developing team. Regardless of your speculated issues, they aren't going to be knocked down a notch by a bunch loud people.

[Graunt]

So much silliness in this thread.

1. "Most of the people" who claim ME2 wasn't a good game, or "let it slide" just because it was a bridge either a) just love to complain to complain because everyone else is or wouldn't know what a good game was if it bit them on the face.  The second game was superior in almost every single way possible other than the main plot; which was ok since it was more episodic in nature and had more focus on the characters themselves.

2. DA2 is terribly underrated and it's almost like a meme or fad to trash talk it just for the sake of trash talking; not because it's actually as bad as so many would make it out to be.  You would think it was the world's worst game, when really it was just a game that failed miserably to live up to expectations and one that was rushed by at least six months.  The game wouldn't have received nearly as much flak if it had been a new series by another developer or if it was simply called Dragon Age: Sidestory or something similar.

[MonkeyLungs]

Graunt wrote...

So much silliness in this thread.

1. "Most of the people" who claim ME2 wasn't a good game, or "let it slide" just because it was a bridge either a) just love to complain to complain because everyone else is or wouldn't know what a good game was if it bit them on the face.  The second game was superior in almost every single way possible other than the main plot; which was ok since it was more episodic in nature and had more focus on the characters themselves.

2. DA2 is terribly underrated and it's almost like a meme or fad to trash talk it just for the sake of trash talking; not because it's actually as bad as so many would make it out to be.  You would think it was the world's worst game, when really it was just a game that failed miserably to live up to expectations and one that was rushed by at least six months.  The game wouldn't have received nearly as much flak if it had been a new series by another developer or if it was simply called Dragon Age: Sidestory or something similar.

1. Mass Effect 2 only outclasses ME1 in two ways: texture pop in, overall graphical fideltiy. That's it. Even the gameplay of Mass Effect 1 is better. Opinions and all that but seriously Mass Effect 1 is the champion and Mass Effect 2 is a just a really bright contender that got beat down but still shines in it's own way.

2. DA 2 was an insult to fans of DA:O. They butchered their own lore, trashed the gameplay, and stripped away several layers of choice in an attempt to action up their game.

Modifié par MonkeyLungs, 05 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[lucidfox]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As their games appeal to others instead of myself then I will back away and buy other titles, such as life.

Fixed.

[AlanC9]

Gatt9 wrote...
In the end, if they made a major deviation from the RPG style with ME3

What's the RPG style?

(just trying to make the thread interesting)

[Meltemph]

AlanC9 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
In the end, if they made a major deviation from the RPG style with ME3

What's the RPG style?

(just trying to make the thread interesting)

Oh jeeze Alan.  I know you know where THAT question will lead.

[AlanC9]

MonkeyLungs wrote...
1. Mass Effect 2 only outclasses ME1 in two ways: texture pop in, overall graphical fideltiy. That's it. Even the gameplay of Mass Effect 1 is better. Opinions and all that but seriously Mass Effect 1 is the champion and Mass Effect 2 is a just a really bright contender that got beat down but still shines in it's own way.

Yep. Opinion. My opinion is that you're completely wrong about this. But who cares?

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...
1. Mass Effect 2 only outclasses ME1 in two ways: texture pop in, overall graphical fideltiy. That's it. Even the gameplay of Mass Effect 1 is better. Opinions and all that but seriously Mass Effect 1 is the champion and Mass Effect 2 is a just a really bright contender that got beat down but still shines in it's own way.

Yep. Opinion. My opinion is that you're completely wrong about this. But who cares?

Agreed.