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Meltemph wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Gatt9 wrote...
In the end, if they made a major deviation from the RPG style with ME3
What's the RPG style?
(just trying to make the thread interesting)
Oh jeeze Alan. I know you know where THAT question will lead.
MonkeyLungs wrote...
Graunt wrote...
So much silliness in this thread.
1. "Most of the people" who claim ME2 wasn't a good game, or "let it slide" just because it was a bridge either a) just love to complain to complain because everyone else is orwouldn't know what a good game was if it bit them on the face. The second game was superior in almost every single way possible other than the main plot; which was ok since it was more episodic in nature and had more focus on the characters themselves.
2. DA2 is terribly underrated and it's almost like a meme or fad to trash talk it just for the sake of trash talking; not because it's actually as bad as so many would make it out to be. You would think it was the world's worst game, when really it was just a game that failed miserably to live up to expectations and one that was rushed by at least six months. The game wouldn't have received nearly as much flak if it had been a new series by another developer or if it was simply called Dragon Age: Sidestory or something similar.
1. Mass Effect 2 only outclasses ME1 in two ways: texture pop in, overall graphical fideltiy. That's it. Even the gameplay of Mass Effect 1 is better. Opinions and all that but seriously Mass Effect 1 is the champion and Mass Effect 2 is a just a really bright contender that got beat down but still shines in it's own way.
2. DA 2 was an insult to fans of DA:O. They butchered their own lore, trashed the gameplay, and stripped away several layers of choice in an attempt to action up their game.
Cainne Chapel wrote...
YankeeBravo wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Wake me up when dialogue choice equates to something being an "RPG".
Are you kidding me?
Name one RPG that didn't have a dialogue system.
Depth of dialogue and choice have been two of the basic hallmarks of an RPG for a very, very long time.
Yankee... Dont know how to break this too ya, but thats an argument you're NOT going to win.
I've been playing the Video Game equivalent of "RPGs" since Dragon Warrior on NES... 'interactive" dialogue and Choice has only been a relatively recent deal honestly. and there are STILL games labeled RPGs (Specifically JRPGS) that DONT give you much choice other than what the storyline has laid out.
So No I wouldnt say those are hallmarks of an RPG for a very very long time.
Which brings us back to the "what is and isn't an RPG" debate which no one and i mean NO ONE ever wins.
Modifié par YankeeBravo, 05 mars 2012 - 06:16 .
Warlord_Thuran wrote...
Right, first of all it should be noted that this is pure speculation. I don't have specific numbers, but that isn't the purpose of this thread, rather it is more of a thought experiment if you will.
From what we have seen so far, there are a LOT of concerns regarding the quality of ME3 even prior to release, from the 3 game modes, to the ending being bad, to the RPG elements having been mostly removed, even in RPG mode through the use of auto-dialogue.
Now, we can all agree that ME3 is one of the most anticipated RPG's ever made, we all have our Shepards and we are all waiting with baited breath to see the storyline reach it's epic armaggedon-like climax where we finally get to throw down against the reapers and end it.
However, with great hype comes usually great disappointment, especailly when it is related to characters that players have grown to actually give a damn about and in the case of Shepard have come to regard as "their Shepard" rather than just "the guy you play in that game.". There is a lot of emotional investment for a lot of players with this.
So, for many it will probably be crushing to see all of this come to naught and have the final, arguably most important, chapter ruined in favour of cooporate greed and "catering to the casual CoD mass".
However, Bioware simply making a bad game wouldn't be all that alarming, hell, most people i've talked to agree that ME2 was not all that good a game, but forgave it's flaws, especially in the story department, due to it being mostly and interlude and buildup to the finale. But, Bioware is also a company whose current reputation is one of making the best RPGs out there and one of the few companies that truly get how to tell great stories and keep improving the RPG genre which has lately been invaded by the MMO wave.
More importantly, ME2 can be considered to have been the last "good" game that bioware have made, with DA2 being largely recognised as a steaming pile of junk that had forsaken the classic RPG elements of the original, and Swtor apparently losing players fairly fast. That means that if ME3 fails to be a good game, it owuld be 3 games in a row that have not lived up to expectations.
Already I have heard people say that they are not planning to buy DA3 simply because they don't feel the series is worth bothering with anymore after DA2, and if the same happens with mass effect, that would lead to the 2 main franchises of the company comitting brutal suicide for the sake of trying to appeal to casuals. This in turn could in the worst case create general distrust in the company and it's future games and lead to the RPG playerbase abandoning it, since the company cannot be trusted to make proper games anymore.
So, the question to speculate is the following: Could ME3 sucking effectively kill off any goodwill amongst it's customers and leads to the idea that the company has compromised it's qualities and it's franchices crashed and burned? Could ME3 be the game that kills off Bioware's credibility as a game company and deter it's core customers from buying Bioware games in the future?
That took longer then I thought it would. Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 05 mars 2012 - 06:10 .
DownClown wrote...
Let's see.
CLUCK NO! (Reaperized Miranda!)
I honestly don't see how people can get so offended at a game as not to buy it, even before it comes out. And i liked DA2 enough to beat it like six times lol
Taking the negativity on the BSN seriously is a major mistake. The BSN is dominated by a small but very vocal group of malcontents who naysay anything and everything Bioware does. ME3 could turn out to be the greatest game in history and the BSN would still be crapping all over it.Warlord_Thuran wrote...
Right, first of all it should be noted that this is pure speculation. I don't have specific numbers, but that isn't the purpose of this thread, rather it is more of a thought experiment if you will.
From what we have seen so far, there are a LOT of concerns regarding the quality of ME3 even prior to release, from the 3 game modes, to the ending being bad, to the RPG elements having been mostly removed, even in RPG mode through the use of auto-dialogue.
Now, we can all agree that ME3 is one of the most anticipated RPG's ever made, we all have our Shepards and we are all waiting with baited breath to see the storyline reach it's epic armaggedon-like climax where we finally get to throw down against the reapers and end it.
However, with great hype comes usually great disappointment, especailly when it is related to characters that players have grown to actually give a damn about and in the case of Shepard have come to regard as "their Shepard" rather than just "the guy you play in that game.". There is a lot of emotional investment for a lot of players with this.
So, for many it will probably be crushing to see all of this come to naught and have the final, arguably most important, chapter ruined in favour of cooporate greed and "catering to the casual CoD mass".
However, Bioware simply making a bad game wouldn't be all that alarming, hell, most people i've talked to agree that ME2 was not all that good a game, but forgave it's flaws, especially in the story department, due to it being mostly and interlude and buildup to the finale. But, Bioware is also a company whose current reputation is one of making the best RPGs out there and one of the few companies that truly get how to tell great stories and keep improving the RPG genre which has lately been invaded by the MMO wave.
More importantly, ME2 can be considered to have been the last "good" game that bioware have made, with DA2 being largely recognised as a steaming pile of junk that had forsaken the classic RPG elements of the original, and Swtor apparently losing players fairly fast. That means that if ME3 fails to be a good game, it owuld be 3 games in a row that have not lived up to expectations.
Already I have heard people say that they are not planning to buy DA3 simply because they don't feel the series is worth bothering with anymore after DA2, and if the same happens with mass effect, that would lead to the 2 main franchises of the company comitting brutal suicide for the sake of trying to appeal to casuals. This in turn could in the worst case create general distrust in the company and it's future games and lead to the RPG playerbase abandoning it, since the company cannot be trusted to make proper games anymore.
So, the question to speculate is the following: Could ME3 sucking effectively kill off any goodwill amongst it's customers and leads to the idea that the company has compromised it's qualities and it's franchices crashed and burned? Could ME3 be the game that kills off Bioware's credibility as a game company and deter it's core customers from buying Bioware games in the future?
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