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[HiroVoid]

I'm pretty sure David Gaider's already stated they're not going to make some other way to do it....of course, that was after DAO I believe, and plans certainly change.

[Cutlasskiwi]

HiroVoid wrote...

I'm pretty sure David Gaider's already stated they're not going to make some other way to do it....of course, that was after DAO I believe, and plans certainly change.

Indeed. Of couse things could have changed.

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

 

[Kavatica]

Maker, no. I have no desire to play as my lover's bastard son. That would feel so warped if you played through as a warden in love with Alistair. Meet? Yes. Kill? Maybe. Play? No. I could see the appeal if you played a male warden and the baby was yours, though.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jasmine96 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

 

Wow. My respect for David Gaidner, while by no means low, just jumped a few notches.

That being said, I'm still not convinced that there isn't a magical hand wave to introduce the OGB as a major character in the franchise at some point.

Unless of course DA3 goes completely off the deep end and doesn't follow up on anything to do with Morrigan, or Flemeth, the events of Wtich Hunt and/or the OGB.

If DA3 doesn't deal with any of these elements, I forsee... danger.

[Davillo]

I am pretty sure that our Morrigan is going to try to do the same thing with OGB that Flemeth has been doing for centuries. She wanted it so she can than later possess it and than maybe she would be able to defeat FLemeth. Or maybe she will train the OGB to defeat flemeth once and for all I'm pretty sure that dark ritual is cannon for DA series too so yall play through without it don't really matter.

[Urzon]

The OGB is too big of a plot device to be made into a playable character, not to mention it might be extremely overpowered. Unless of course, it somehow turned out to be a warrior or rogue since it is afraid of its own magic.

Which could be understandable. If it ever used that magic it might draw the attention of the creepy old Magisters of Tevinter that might want to worship him/her, or they might want to enslave it to try and gain the power of a Old God themselves. Most likely to use against the Qunari and then the rest of Thedas.

Or worse(maybe?), it could draw the attention of Flemeth.

[Lord Gremlin]

Wulfram wrote...

Having the soul survive anyway would be a bad thing. It would take away a lot from what's perhaps DA:O's biggest choice.

I'd rather see them just give up on the whole import thing and treat the Dark Ritual as canon than that.

Not necessarily. See, you've made the choice to participate in that ritual or not. Even if it's been done anyway if your Warden didn't participate he's not responsible.
Which may have a huge impact, such as Warden order being at one point blamed for the rise of Old God or not.

[Lord Gremlin]

Urzon wrote...

The OGB is too big of a plot device to be made into a playable character, not to mention it might be extremely overpowered. Unless of course, it somehow turned out to be a warrior or rogue since it is afraid of its own magic.

Which could be understandable. If it ever used that magic it might draw the attention of the creepy old Magisters of Tevinter that might want to worship him/her, or they might want to enslave it to try and gain the power of a Old God themselves. Most likely to use against the Qunari and then the rest of Thedas.

Or worse(maybe?), it could draw the attention of Flemeth.

So, it's Dragon vs Dragon battle fought in multiple realms simultaneously?
That sounds good actually. The more you think about it, the more sense it makes. After all, old god baby won't necessarily manifest his/her power instantly. Maybe it happens on 21st birthday or something?
Becoming overpowered in the very end of the game can be very satisfying. Reminds me of a game called Singularity. In the very end of it you become grossly, extremely overpowered and steamroll a huge horde of toughest enemies. It feels very good.

[PinkShoes]

at this point i hate the damn thing. So many people are liek "ooh i wann aplay as itt" well you cant. It wasnt cannon. At most i think we will get a mention about it.

[Tatinger]

Urzon wrote...

The OGB is too big of a plot device to be made into a playable character, not to mention it might be extremely overpowered. Unless of course, it somehow turned out to be a warrior or rogue since it is afraid of its own magic.

Which could be understandable. If it ever used that magic it might draw the attention of the creepy old Magisters of Tevinter that might want to worship him/her, or they might want to enslave it to try and gain the power of a Old God themselves. Most likely to use against the Qunari and then the rest of Thedas.

Or worse(maybe?), it could draw the attention of Flemeth.

I don't get why magic necessarily has to enter the picture on it -- whether they're afraid of their own magic or not.  It has all the makings of classic Greek myth.  Hercules, Jason, Perseus, etc., etc., all were "god babies" (or demigods, if you prefer that term) and weren't "overpowered" in the stories and tales told about them (they all did die, after all; Jason and Hercules were both murdered by their wives, Medea and Deianeira, respectively; Perseus by his cousin, Megapenthes).  Being the child of god does not necessarily make you all-knowing and all-powerful. If anything, it just puts a bigger bullseye on your chest.  The tales told about Hawke, or The Warden, could very easily enter demi-god status and I don't recall anybody complaining about either of their heroes being too overpowered.  Seriously, think about some of the stuff they were able to pull off.  It was mythic and that's why all the NPCs in the Dragonverse talk about them all the time.

With all that said, you've just submitted an idea for a very intriguing storyline: the OGB, and the allies s/he has befriended, on the run from the Trevinter Magisters and/or Flemeth.  To me, that's a nice twist on the Dragon Age stories we've been told so far -- your character being reactionary rather than proactive and, as far as I'm concerned, it makes for a more sympathetic character or, at least, a different one than the ones we've seen up until this point. 

Modifié par Tatinger, 12 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

That being said, I'm still not convinced that there isn't a magical hand wave to introduce the OGB as a major character in the franchise at some point.

Unless of course DA3 goes completely off the deep end and doesn't follow up on anything to do with Morrigan, or Flemeth, the events of Wtich Hunt and/or the OGB.

If DA3 doesn't deal with any of these elements, I forsee... danger.

And I would be annoyed if it did lol

Everyone seems to think that what they liked most about DA:O and/or DA2 is by default the most important aspect(s) of those games.  I never even played Witch Hunt.  I have very little interest in Morrigan, and I hope she goes off and raises her baby in a safe and happy environment, never to be seen or heard from again.  

I do find Flemeth an interesting character and wouldn't mind seeing her again, but no biggie if we don't.

[El Dude 9]

They Could just make the old god baby an origin so if you did it you play as him if you didn't you play as like hawks child or a really important new dude(t)

[Shadow Fox]

Isn't the OGB male though so you can't play as it from just a mechanical standpoint.

[HiroVoid]

No. It just means the OGB origin would be male only.

[babymoon]

I'd rather encounter the old god baby (and Morrigan) at some point. It could definitely be awesome.

[Aiddon]

I say make the child canon, players be damned. That was SUCH an interesting plot point that'd be a crime against writing not to follow through with it. An Old God reborn into a new body and raised by a Witch of the Wilds? That screams fascinating sub plot and an intriguing future companion at the least. It'd also tie into whatever Flemeth is up to.

[El Dude 9]

This is how they can do it I dont know if someone already said this. Just recon (IDK if this is the right word) The fact that its a guy its such a small piece of dialog that if I wasn't told it was there I wouldn't know. They should not have him/her in DA3 but instead in DA4. They should have origins so if you did the DR then you choose that origin. This Origin would make read all of your character characteristics so if you were a dwarf you would be a half dwarf as the OGB. It would also read your class so if your warden was a rouge it would make a half rouge half mage class. Also you would get a special tree for the OGB kinda like the blood tree in Wardens Keep. I hope this makes sense if it does tell me what you think I know it's not perfect but its a way to start off. I hope we see it's character as a PC.