I hear you. I'm saddened by Mordin's death but I'm glad he's able to die while doing something he can feel proud of. It's a good death. Same for Thane and Anderson (I'm not quite clear on the circumstances surrounding this one but the death scene was very well done). The only one I'm mad about is Legion and that's only because his death is completely invalidated by the "best" ending.Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
While I won't defend Bioware over my views on the endings, I will say that I have no issues with them killing off characters, especially non-LI characters that had their voice actors replaced. I think this is fair in this case. Mordin is old Salarians don't live much past 40 and I believe he's 50.
Same goes for Thane, he's dieing of an incurable desease.
To have these characters go out as heroes doing what they believe in makes them well worth saving in ME2.
You should respect Bioware's vision in this scenario. Bioware has given you choice, you can choose to save one or the other, regarding Mordin and Wrex. Even if that means in some scenarios going back to a previous game.
Other characters that die unavoidably you either knew they were going to die in ME2, or they had limited screen time with the player. They all go out for heroic and worthy reasons. It wouldn't be war without some loss.
Want to Save Tali? Or Wrex? Peace between Geth/Quarians. Here's how.
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Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
Kyzo wrote...
About the Geth/Quarian thing, what about people who romanced Tali and reprogrammed the heretics in Legion's loyalty mission. Do we still need to do all that stuff to get some sort of peace between the two races?
It's irrelivent, because for the geth to live, shepard has to die. But yeah there are a couple of sidequests you can do in ME3 that should sort you out so long as you got a high reputation and other things right like (Tali didn't get exiled and you resolved the conflct with legion and tali peacefully in ME2)
Reprogramming the Geth backfires and makes it harder on you but yields more overall war assets if you still resolve peacefully. You will have some but less Quarian fleets but more Geth fleets and more overall.
I've actually been thinking about how big of a dick move it is to convince the Geth to help you fight their former masters just to kill them all after you win
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jellobell wrote...
I hear you. I'm saddened by Mordin's death but I'm glad he's able to die while doing something he can feel proud of. It's a good death. Same for Thane and Anderson (I'm not quite clear on the circumstances surrounding this one but the death scene was very well done). The only one I'm mad about is Legion and that's only because his death is completely invalidated by the "best" ending.Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
While I won't defend Bioware over my views on the endings, I will say that I have no issues with them killing off characters, especially non-LI characters that had their voice actors replaced. I think this is fair in this case. Mordin is old Salarians don't live much past 40 and I believe he's 50.
Same goes for Thane, he's dieing of an incurable desease.
To have these characters go out as heroes doing what they believe in makes them well worth saving in ME2.
You should respect Bioware's vision in this scenario. Bioware has given you choice, you can choose to save one or the other, regarding Mordin and Wrex. Even if that means in some scenarios going back to a previous game.
Other characters that die unavoidably you either knew they were going to die in ME2, or they had limited screen time with the player. They all go out for heroic and worthy reasons. It wouldn't be war without some loss.
Yeah Legions is really unfair. I suppose there is a reason Bioware only introduced Legion at the very end of ME 2 though, lot of fans fell in love with Legion ultimately represents the True Geth and his real purpose is to make the player aware of the heretics and that the other Geth are not like that.
tbh the whole peace scenario with Geth is invalidated by the Destroy ending. What happens to the Normandy almost mocks players for the false hope that they are rewarded for picking the only ending were Shepard might live and might get to see his crew again.
I guess Bioware wants to shoehorn most people into picking Synthesis. In fact I start to wonder if the guide is wrong and Synthesis is the best ending. The dialog with the Guardian / Catalyst seems to make you feel guitly about picking Destroy... sorta gives this like you can do this if you really want I can't stop you kinda vibe. Or you can control you or you can pick Synthesis can you see your life without Synthetics.
Now you have both Joker's happiness, EDI, Legion's sacrifice and the Geth weighing in your design to sacrifice Shepard or not. With Control ending leaving some concern that Shepard may eventually become corrupted as the new master and at some point when neccessary is going to reap.
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One of the most important things to me concerning ME3 was the ability to unite the Quarian and Geth. Unfortunately, I rewrote the Heretics, so I'm gonna have to squeeze every drop out of ME3 to get the points required.
By memory you need to sacrifice an elite Quarian group to save the Admiral - don't do that and you you can't make peace.
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Ah that does kind of suck. I did expect to do some work to get them to work together but not too much. I proved myself enough to not get Tali exiled and resolved the Tali/Legion arguement with a renegade response.spnccarman wrote...
Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
Kyzo wrote...
About the Geth/Quarian thing, what about people who romanced Tali and reprogrammed the heretics in Legion's loyalty mission. Do we still need to do all that stuff to get some sort of peace between the two races?
It's irrelivent, because for the geth to live, shepard has to die. But yeah there are a couple of sidequests you can do in ME3 that should sort you out so long as you got a high reputation and other things right like (Tali didn't get exiled and you resolved the conflct with legion and tali peacefully in ME2)
Reprogramming the Geth backfires and makes it harder on you but yields more overall war assets if you still resolve peacefully. You will have some but less Quarian fleets but more Geth fleets and more overall.
I've actually been thinking about how big of a dick move it is to convince the Geth to help you fight their former masters just to kill them all after you win
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Might be more rewarding if I do manage to get them to work together.
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spnccarman wrote...
Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
Kyzo wrote...
About the Geth/Quarian thing, what about people who romanced Tali and reprogrammed the heretics in Legion's loyalty mission. Do we still need to do all that stuff to get some sort of peace between the two races?
It's irrelivent, because for the geth to live, shepard has to die. But yeah there are a couple of sidequests you can do in ME3 that should sort you out so long as you got a high reputation and other things right like (Tali didn't get exiled and you resolved the conflct with legion and tali peacefully in ME2)
Reprogramming the Geth backfires and makes it harder on you but yields more overall war assets if you still resolve peacefully. You will have some but less Quarian fleets but more Geth fleets and more overall.
I've actually been thinking about how big of a dick move it is to convince the Geth to help you fight their former masters just to kill them all after you win
It actually makes the endings quite interesting (in an imagination sort of way).
You can effectively wipe out a combination of most other species in the galaxy - leaving humanity the dominant race.
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The simplest way to make a better ending imo is to add the "Shepard breathing" movie to the Synthesis ending.Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
jellobell wrote...
I hear you. I'm saddened by Mordin's death but I'm glad he's able to die while doing something he can feel proud of. It's a good death. Same for Thane and Anderson (I'm not quite clear on the circumstances surrounding this one but the death scene was very well done). The only one I'm mad about is Legion and that's only because his death is completely invalidated by the "best" ending.Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
While I won't defend Bioware over my views on the endings, I will say that I have no issues with them killing off characters, especially non-LI characters that had their voice actors replaced. I think this is fair in this case. Mordin is old Salarians don't live much past 40 and I believe he's 50.
Same goes for Thane, he's dieing of an incurable desease.
To have these characters go out as heroes doing what they believe in makes them well worth saving in ME2.
You should respect Bioware's vision in this scenario. Bioware has given you choice, you can choose to save one or the other, regarding Mordin and Wrex. Even if that means in some scenarios going back to a previous game.
Other characters that die unavoidably you either knew they were going to die in ME2, or they had limited screen time with the player. They all go out for heroic and worthy reasons. It wouldn't be war without some loss.
Yeah Legions is really unfair. I suppose there is a reason Bioware only introduced Legion at the very end of ME 2 though, lot of fans fell in love with Legion ultimately represents the True Geth and his real purpose is to make the player aware of the heretics and that the other Geth are not like that.
tbh the whole peace scenario with Geth is invalidated by the Destroy ending. What happens to the Normandy almost mocks players for the false hope that they are rewarded for picking the only ending were Shepard might live and might get to see his crew again.
I guess Bioware wants to shoehorn most people into picking Synthesis. In fact I start to wonder if the guide is wrong and Synthesis is the best ending. The dialog with the Guardian / Catalyst seems to make you feel guitly about picking Destroy... sorta gives this like you can do this if you really want I can't stop you kinda vibe. Or you can control you or you can pick Synthesis can you see your life without Synthetics.
Now you have both Joker's happiness, EDI, Legion's sacrifice and the Geth weighing in your design to sacrifice Shepard or not. With Control ending leaving some concern that Shepard may eventually become corrupted as the new master and at some point when neccessary is going to reap.
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... going back and killing the hereticsIcinix wrote...
NubXL wrote...
One of the most important things to me concerning ME3 was the ability to unite the Quarian and Geth. Unfortunately, I rewrote the Heretics, so I'm gonna have to squeeze every drop out of ME3 to get the points required.
By memory you need to sacrifice an elite Quarian group to save the Admiral - don't do that and you you can't make peace.
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I'd have to go back too far. Hours and hours of time, including the ending, all N7 missions, LotSB and Arrival. I'll deal with it, or wait for a save editor.curelightwounds wrote...
... going back and killing the hereticsIcinix wrote...
NubXL wrote...
One of the most important things to me concerning ME3 was the ability to unite the Quarian and Geth. Unfortunately, I rewrote the Heretics, so I'm gonna have to squeeze every drop out of ME3 to get the points required.
By memory you need to sacrifice an elite Quarian group to save the Admiral - don't do that and you you can't make peace.
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jellobell wrote...
So wait, you either have to kill the heretics or sacrifice some Quarians? Which ones exactly?
Nameless ones I believe. Which makes them unimportant. QWIB QWIB I'm here to save you!
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1.Whats the minimum amount of points needed to get peace between the Quarians and the Geth?
2.When do we get Legion's mission fo ME3?
3.When can I do the N7 mission's on Rannoch?
4.How much P/R reputation is needed for peace talks?
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The_Other_M wrote...
If this is true....even though I get 0pts for rewriting the heretics, I have just enough potential points to achieve peace. BUT.....WTF I have to choose between Mordin or Wrex??!!!
There's no 3rd or 4th option, no negotiations, no alternate paths/actions; just one lives, one dies....Goddammit BioWare, that's a pretty ****ty choice.
mordin didnt have long left anyway , i don't know how old rex is , but i am sure he had a looot longer.
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Me shisask , me help, reapers all choke and die!
Reapers...you leave!
Pan to engineering, engineer adams looks down.......god damn vorcha crapped on the floor again.
Liara enters her office...looks down....well he seems to be getting closer to the bathroom with each attempt.
Ashley enters the female latrine...shisask this isn't the galley.
garrus enters the forward battery....turns around and leaves
garrus enters war room , opens com link to omega
Shepard walks into the galley...gavorn? what are you doing here?
shepard calls a crew meeting....where is shisask?
Garrus whistles.
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I'll just try with my current import and if Kal'Reegar is indeed part of that elite squadron, than I'll just replay ME2. No problem with playing through the game a 9th time
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Also I want a DLC where it replaces the loading screens just a queue of the avatars of people who let Tali die and I can just falcon punch them all day and night.
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It is sad that you have to choose one of them, but not unexpected.
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You need to do BOTH missions.pinoy_sav wrote...
wait....so when we go save the admiral we also need to do another mission to destroy a geth squadron ? or we need to choose one ?
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Drone223 wrote...
@OP just a few thing I want to ask
1.Whats the minimum amount of points needed to get peace between the Quarians and the Geth?
2.When do we get Legion's mission fo ME3?
3.When can I do the N7 mission's on Rannoch?
4.How much P/R reputation is needed for peace talks?
1) 5 minimum.
2) Its not a loyalty mission. He needs your help. I'm not sure of the timeline of those mission.
3) When Rannoch becomes available to you, I think.
4) Pretty high. Better rank into those points early.
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Not sure what you're asking. Elaborate?jellobell wrote...
So wait, you either have to kill the heretics or sacrifice some Quarians? Which ones exactly?
