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[thepaladin1]

evil-pineapples wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

WHY would you encourage such behavior from developers? This is not aimed at Bioware if other develops see a market what do you think they would do? Seriously guys?

I sincerely doubt people would purchase alternate ending DLC for any other game than Mass Effect 3. This is a unique series. Who would buy an alternate ending for, say, Halo or Assassin's Creed?

Having said that, I would prefer that this DLC be made available for free, of course.

50 dollars gets you a glimpse of master chiefs face ending! *edit or put your face on master chief ending!

Modifié par thepaladin1, 05 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[evil-pineapples]

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If you people want to have a happy sunshine ending then plug your ears and write a fanfic.

I think I made a pretty good case for why this isn't a happy sunshine ending. You're choosing between the short term and the long term. Neither ending is "right" and neither ending is a perfect solution, but it allows the fans to get what they want and it's more emotionally satisfying either way you choose.

 It's also boring and uninspired. At least with the current endings there's and element of shock. 

I don't think it's boring. It's the natural culmination of the preceding events in the series. Throughout Mass Effect, you've been conditioned to believe that you're in control of things. This ending brings that trend to its logical conclusion. You're basically making the most important choice in galactic history, but it's entirely IN YOUR HANDS, whereas with the canon ending things happen that you have no control over.

 When the world goes to hell nobody has control. 

You had control over the outcome of the Suicide Mission in ME2. I'd say that's no more far-fetched than having control over something like this.

Mass Effect is about control and player choice.

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If you people want to have a happy sunshine ending then plug your ears and write a fanfic.

I think I made a pretty good case for why this isn't a happy sunshine ending. You're choosing between the short term and the long term. Neither ending is "right" and neither ending is a perfect solution, but it allows the fans to get what they want and it's more emotionally satisfying either way you choose.

 It's also boring and uninspired. At least with the current endings there's and element of shock. 

I don't think it's boring. It's the natural culmination of the preceding events in the series. Throughout Mass Effect, you've been conditioned to believe that you're in control of things. This ending brings that trend to its logical conclusion. You're basically making the most important choice in galactic history, but it's entirely IN YOUR HANDS, whereas with the canon ending things happen that you have no control over.

 When the world goes to hell nobody has control. 

You had control over the outcome of the Suicide Mission in ME2. I'd say that's no more far-fetched than having control over something like this.

Mass Effect is about control and player choice.

 You still have choice, it's not Biowares fault you don't like the choice presented. 

[evil-pineapples]

Eterna5 wrote...
 You still have choice, it's not Biowares fault you don't like the choice presented. 

(I shortened the quote because it was becoming too big.)

If BioWare knows what's good for them, they'll do this for their fan base. It would take minimal effort - just a new ending scenario - and it would get the hordes of irate fans to calm down and forgive what they currently perceive as an unforgivable creative decision.

Again, I don't see why they WOULDN'T do this.

[Sargerus]

Petitions DOESN'T work, remember a week ago the petition requesting the From Ashes DLC to be released for free?

http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

[evil-pineapples]

Sargerus wrote...

Petitions DOESN'T work, remember a week ago the petition requesting the From Ashes DLC to be released for free?

http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

From Ashes was planned as a paid DLC from the start, though. We're requesting something that would require very minimal development effort, that is essentially already written, and that would please a huge amount of irate fans.

[evil-pineapples]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

so the developers go into script-->storyboard--->animatic---->modelling till they render and programmers patch it....they should do all this work for free? Bioware does not owe use anything. Their mistakes are their own and not ours. the idea of "free alternate dlc" is one that i do not support.

I didn't say it had to be free. I'd prefer that it be free, obviously - who wouldn't - but I would gladly pay for a better ending. Gladly.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 05 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[AdrynBliss]

It won't happen no matter how many people sign up. They fixed a broken ending once already, to provide alt endings here is to admit they screwed up again. This would basically freak the hell out of shareholders/investors.
On top of that if creating alt endings is an admission of screwing up in the first place then making people give them money for rectifying what was their screw up to begin with would make the internet explode.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 05 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 You still have choice, it's not Biowares fault you don't like the choice presented. 

(I shortened the quote because it was becoming too big.)

If BioWare knows what's good for them, they'll do this for their fan base. It would take minimal effort - just a new ending scenario - and it would get the hordes of irate fans to calm down and forgive what they currently perceive as an unforgivable creative decision.

Again, I don't see why they WOULDN'T do this.

 Bioware won't give into QQ, sorry. This is how they wanted to end their series, you either need to respect that or buy your games elsewhere. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 05 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Oh petitions work. Once you hit a certain number of signatures people start to take notice.

Of course, none of the people who care, care enough to put the effort needed to gather those kinds of signatures. Because that kind of stuff takes a hell of a lot of work. If you truly want to be an activist with petitions you can't just post a link and say "sign this please!". You'll get...251 signatures.

[evil-pineapples]

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 You still have choice, it's not Biowares fault you don't like the choice presented. 

(I shortened the quote because it was becoming too big.)

If BioWare knows what's good for them, they'll do this for their fan base. It would take minimal effort - just a new ending scenario - and it would get the hordes of irate fans to calm down and forgive what they currently perceive as an unforgivable creative decision.

Again, I don't see why they WOULDN'T do this.

 Bioware won't give into QQ, sorry. This is how they wanted to end their series, you either need to respect that or buy your games elsewhere. 

I respect your point of view, but you don't speak for the company. If someone from BioWare wants to come on here and say that, I'll accept their words, but they have not commented either way on the issue.

Also, I think Dragon Age 2 proves that BioWare will give into QQ when it's loud enough. They have a fan base to please. It's really in everyone's best interest.

AdrynBliss wrote...

It won't happen no matter how many people sign up. They fixed a broken ending once already, to provide alt endings here is to admit they screwed up again. This would basically freak the hell out of shareholders/investors.
On top of that if creating alt endings is an admission of screwing up in the first place then making people give them money for rectifying what was their screw up to begin with would make the internet explode.

Mass Effect 3 is going to sell very well. The shareholders have nothing to worry about.

[evil-pineapples]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Oh petitions work. Once you hit a certain number of signatures people start to take notice.

Of course, none of the people who care, care enough to put the effort needed to gather those kinds of signatures. Because that kind of stuff takes a hell of a lot of work. If you truly want to be an activist with petitions you can't just post a link and say "sign this please!". You'll get...251 signatures.

After a sufficient amount of time has passed, I plan to compile all signatures (only the people who replied explicitly stating that they supported this idea) and e-mail BioWare staff with the petition.

[Juniper Mucius]

AdrynBliss wrote...

It won't happen no matter how many people sign up. They fixed a broken ending once already, to provide alt endings here is to admit they screwed up again. This would basically freak the hell out of shareholders/investors.
On top of that if creating alt endings is an admission of screwing up in the first place then making people give them money for rectifying what was their screw up to begin with would make the internet explode.

Uh.  Their shareholders won't care.  They'll see it as "more money" being made for the company, and more money being made for them.  In fact, the shareholders would *love it* if this were an actual tactic to make more money.

[Cruce]

Count me in.

[Olueq]

They can make it a dlc. Why not?

[Homebound]

how about we petition for a better game?...unless if u guys r ok with buying less than what you want that is.

[thepaladin1]

Gamers we are our own worse enemy:blink:

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 You still have choice, it's not Biowares fault you don't like the choice presented. 

(I shortened the quote because it was becoming too big.)

If BioWare knows what's good for them, they'll do this for their fan base. It would take minimal effort - just a new ending scenario - and it would get the hordes of irate fans to calm down and forgive what they currently perceive as an unforgivable creative decision.

Again, I don't see why they WOULDN'T do this.

 Bioware won't give into QQ, sorry. This is how they wanted to end their series, you either need to respect that or buy your games elsewhere. 

I respect your point of view, but you don't speak for the company. If someone from BioWare wants to come on here and say that, I'll accept their words, but they have not commented either way on the issue.

Also, I think Dragon Age 2 proves that BioWare will give into QQ when it's loud enough. They have a fan base to please. It's really in everyone's best interest.

 Thats the thing, there is no issue. Bioware made those endings and some people don't like them. That's all there is to it, Bioware isn't going to spend development time creating your perfect ending just to appease you. 

[jellobell]

I'd buy it.

[AdrynBliss]

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

[nocbl2]

Signed, but I'd prefer an update or something for 40c.

[Hexxys]

If it's free, sure why not. An alternate ending DLC is almost guaranteed. Unified outrage is an extremely rare thing in gaming, and it's extremely persuasive to developers. Remember the time Blizzard was going to implement Real ID on their forums?

[evil-pineapples]

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. A large number of people are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 05 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[ciaweth]

Shareholders don't give a crap unless profits don't meet or exceed target estimates.