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[WizenSlinky0]

evil-pineapples wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Oh petitions work. Once you hit a certain number of signatures people start to take notice.

Of course, none of the people who care, care enough to put the effort needed to gather those kinds of signatures. Because that kind of stuff takes a hell of a lot of work. If you truly want to be an activist with petitions you can't just post a link and say "sign this please!". You'll get...251 signatures.

After a sufficient amount of time has passed, I plan to compile all signatures (only the people who replied explicitly stating that they supported this idea) and e-mail BioWare staff with the petition.

And my point was unless you're being very outgoing in a lot more places than just BSN you're just wasting your time. Not enough people will see this. For petitions to work the people starting it have to literally bend over backwards to keep their cause going. But I really do wish you well with it.

[thepaladin1]

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

 I'm sure George Lucas scrambelled to re create the prequels when fans didn't like them too. 

[IR ProfessorX]

I'm in for sure, Signed.

[evil-pineapples]

thepaladin1 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

Again, I'm not saying this has to be free.

As far as George Lucas is concerned, that man is very out of touch with his fan base and he's suffered for it financially. The only way he was able to survive was by targeting a completely different group of people with his more recent projects. (Kids. Luckily for him, that's a very lucrative target audience.) He did release the original unaltered trilogy after enough people complained.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 05 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Yes

[ref]

Please. A "happy" ending should be in the game for those who want one, no reason for it not to be a CHOICE. Then all crowds can be pleased

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

Again, I'm not saying this has to be free.

As far as George Lucas is concerned, that man is very out of touch with his fan base and he's suffered for it financially. The only way he was able to survive was by targeting a completely different group of people with his more recent projects. (Kids. Luckily for him, that's a very lucrative target audience.) He did release the original unaltered trilogy after enough people complained.

 You fail to see the point. This is how the writers at Bioware wanted their trilogy to end: With great sacrifice.
 They won't give you what they want because it's not what they want. 

[evil-pineapples]

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

Again, I'm not saying this has to be free.

As far as George Lucas is concerned, that man is very out of touch with his fan base and he's suffered for it financially. The only way he was able to survive was by targeting a completely different group of people with his more recent projects. (Kids. Luckily for him, that's a very lucrative target audience.) He did release the original unaltered trilogy after enough people complained.

 You fail to see the point. This is how the writers at Bioware wanted their trilogy to end: With great sacrifice.
 They won't give you what they want because it's not what they want. 

I see your point perfectly. I don't think it's accurate.

If BioWare starts sending the message that they don't care about what people want, how do you think that is going to impact their fan base? This is exactly what George Lucas has done and it's why people view Star Wars today as a sad case of a great franchise gone wrong.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 05 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Eterna]

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

Again, I'm not saying this has to be free.

As far as George Lucas is concerned, that man is very out of touch with his fan base and he's suffered for it financially. The only way he was able to survive was by targeting a completely different group of people with his more recent projects. (Kids. Luckily for him, that's a very lucrative target audience.) He did release the original unaltered trilogy after enough people complained.

 You fail to see the point. This is how the writers at Bioware wanted their trilogy to end: With great sacrifice.
 They won't give you what they want because it's not what they want. 

I see your point perfectly. I don't think it's accurate.

If BioWare starts sending the message that they don't care about what people want, how do you think that is going to impact their fan base? This is exactly what George Lucas has done and it's why people view Star Wars today as a sad case of a great franchise gone wrong.

 Bioware does care about fan feedback,  it's probably in their minds whenever they create a new product. The Garrus and Tali romances prove this.  However, any developer that implements anything the fan wants is doomed to fail. Feedback is a form of suggestion, not a criteria.

 We could all want Bioware to add Barney as a squadmate/LI in MAss effect 3, doesn't mean it would or should be implemented for us. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 05 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[BlackAdder117]

All I can say is that fan faith in BioWare is going to drop from where I'm standing, because they're simply going to complete the game, then go searching in vain for the 'real ending. And then sudeenly realise that there isn't one.

Then the whole s-storm will start.

Edit: Oh, and If I didn't say it before in my previous post: Signed.

Modifié par BlackAdder117, 05 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[18 Brains]

Signed.

[TheStoner]

Eterna5 wrote...

If you people want to have a happy sunshine ending then plug your ears and write a fanfic.

Strawmen arguements. Arn't they fun?

[RunAwayItzJack]

+1 signed

[ciaweth]

evil-pineapples wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

When I said shareholders would basically freak out I meant in relation to future projects.
If they all but admit to screwing up the endings of their last 2 high profile SP games by fixing the ending with DLC after enough customers shout about it, then it'll make them nervous about committing to future BW projects.

I don't think that's true though. The shareholders probably won't care. If anything, this would show a major committment on BioWare's part to pleasing their fan base.

This is a very real issue right now. People are raging about this. Pre-orders have been cancelled (those are lucrative, by the way). Fans are denouncing the company. It is in BioWare's best interest from a business standpoint to fix this for the people who don't like it.

Why wouldn't they care? People are demanding FREE alternate endings that costs money for voice actors programmers. I'd care if the company I held stock with gave things away for free.

Again, I'm not saying this has to be free.

As far as George Lucas is concerned, that man is very out of touch with his fan base and he's suffered for it financially. The only way he was able to survive was by targeting a completely different group of people with his more recent projects. (Kids. Luckily for him, that's a very lucrative target audience.) He did release the original unaltered trilogy after enough people complained.

 You fail to see the point. This is how the writers at Bioware wanted their trilogy to end: With great sacrifice.
 They won't give you what they want because it's not what they want. 

I see your point perfectly. I don't think it's accurate.

If BioWare starts sending the message that they don't care about what people want, how do you think that is going to impact their fan base? This is exactly what George Lucas has done and it's why people view Star Wars today as a sad case of a great franchise gone wrong.

And yet despite that, people keep buying Star Wars stuff. To a large extent, George Lucas doesn't have to give a damn about what people think of how he's handled his franchise; he is laughing all the way to the bank.

Similarly, unless BioWare is somehow hurt--low Metacritic scores, hugely bad press, low profits--they will not have to give a damn about their reputation.  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

[evil-pineapples]

Eterna5 wrote...
 Bioware does care about fan feedback,  it's probably in their minds whenever they create a new product. The Garrus and Tali romances prove this.  However, any developer that implements anything the fan wants is doomed to fail. Feedback is suggestions for them, not a criteria.

 We could all want Bioware to add Barney as a squadmate/LI in MAss effect 3, doesn't mean it would or should implement it for us. 

The magnitude of fan outcry justifies a response on BioWare's part. This isn't a minority request. The fan base is up in arms about the way the series ended.

It's their choice to respond, of course, but it would be in their best interest.

And now I must go to bed. This has been a stimulating debate. Good night, sir.

[evil-pineapples]

ciaweth wrote...
Similarly, unless BioWare is somehow hurt--low Metacritic scores, hugely bad press, low profits--they will not have to give a damn about their reputation.  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

Bad word of mouth.

You make a compelling point about firing your customers. I hope BioWare don't choose to go down that road.

Okay, now I really do need to go to bed. Good night, everyone.

[Eterna]

ciaweth wrote...
  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

 This is just fallacy. Lots of Mass Effect 3 is fanservice. 

[ciaweth]

Eterna5 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...
  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

 This is just fallacy. Lots of Mass Effect 3 is fanservice. 

No it's not.  EA even gave a press conference about it, saying they were targeting new audiences with ME3.  Many bricks were crapped at the time.

Modifié par ciaweth, 05 mars 2012 - 05:49 .

[Eterna]

ciaweth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...
  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

 This is just fallacy. Lots of Mass Effect 3 is fanservice. 

No it's not.  EA even gave a press conference about it, saying they were targeting new audiences with ME3.

Targetting a new audience while retaining the old one is more accurate. 

[ciaweth]

Eterna5 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...
  And, if one fanbase doesn't serve them profitably enough, they'll just go after a different market segment (like they admittedly did for ME3).  That's business.  You can fire your customers.

 This is just fallacy. Lots of Mass Effect 3 is fanservice. 

No it's not.  EA even gave a press conference about it, saying they were targeting new audiences with ME3.

Targetting a new audience while retaining the old one is more accurate. 

The unspoken understanding of anyone targeting a "new audience" is that at least part of their old audience might jet.  And if you're targeting a new audience, you have to be okay with that.  "Heavy risk...but the prize..."

[MrDizazta]

See it now: Mass Effect 3 DLC: Broken Steel.

[elm]

wow this went downhill quick

[ciaweth]

elm wrote...

wow this went downhill quick

Yeah, the "prize" quote was prolly too much.  Sorry!  ;D

[Emrys Ansgar]

MrDizaztar wrote...

See it now: Mass Effect 3 DLC: Broken Steel.

Don't you mean Mass Effect 3 DLC: Broken Relay:P
Edit: I vote yes.

Modifié par Emrys Ansgar, 05 mars 2012 - 06:00 .