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[Frenor]

From someone who hasn't played the games perspective.

The relays blow up.

Damn.

Thankfully the galaxy has been building its own ftl drivecores that aren't symbiotic with the Reapers like the relays so Arcturus Station is only 3 days travel. Sure it may take 22 years to travel from the widest length of the edge of the galaxy to the other but even then beyond the convience of the relays space travel is still exceedingly available.

From what I can tell aslong aslong its A. Not left behind Reaper tech. B. Stolen reaper tech (Geth being stupid/EDI being unlucky.) then its still quite functional since it was reverse engineered. Hell I'm sure once people recover enough and start looking over the destroyed relay remains people will start building their own soon enough.

All in all space travel would go back to just being slow and less of a leasurely jaunt. No more three hour trips to Illium  but a sudden boom in the importance of space lanes and defence against piracy would go WAY through the roof.

Our stranded friends on the Normandy are smart enough to know how to ration away food for our dextro amino friends and considering the amount of left behind beacons we discovered in ME and ME2 I don't think they have to worry about theirs fading out anytime soon.

Does it suck that we don't get to see the people we've been playing with for the past five years ish enjoying new lives and settling into this new world? For sure. We wan't blue children. We wan't adopted children and we wan't to see true final outcomes for our companions. But you got work with what you get.

Just remember its not "The Dark Ages" for space travel (Having the means to go to the moon for the past fifty years and not establishing a base on it is. *Badda bing.*). An even the epilogue itself says it still has one more story for the Shepard.

Its not great, but good things do have to come to a end. It just sucks when they do.

[SteelEagleShane]

I was reading your post but I can't get past wan't. That is not a word and you do it so consistently that it vexes me. It is want. Want.

But yes, agreed for the most part.

[DRSH]

I support Rescue of the Normandy Crew DLC . We will think, we will create and we will find a way to get them back!

[Frenor]

SteelEagleShane wrote...

I was reading your post but I
can't get past wan't. That is not a word and you do it so consistently
that it vexes me. It is want. Want.

But yes, agreed for the most part.

Ah yes, "want" The bastard child of the old english wan't. We have dismissed this use.

Modifié par Frenor, 05 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[dw99027]

It's the Dark Age of intergalactic society, and that alone. Much like our society for some reason losing the capacity for fast long distance travel and instant long range communication. Dark Ages? No. Severely crippling? Yes.

[Bleachrude]

Um, this may sound silly but my understanding was that _ONLY_ the relays are down.

Er, aren't the FTL comm buoys built by the council races STILL active. Isn't there still Eezo everywhere? Didn't the codex say that the comm buoys operate on the same principle as the mass relays themselves?

Maybe I'm missing something (anyone want to jump in and tell me what I'm missing) but wasn't the whole reason why they didn't build new relays was because there was no reason to for various reasons (economic, political) instead of just using the existing relays?

If the relays are gone, why exactly couldn't they build their own?

[Frenor]

Bleachrude wrote...

Um, this may sound silly but my understanding was that _ONLY_ the relays are down.

Er, aren't the FTL comm buoys built by the council races STILL active. Isn't there still Eezo everywhere? Didn't the codex say that the comm buoys operate on the same principle as the mass relays themselves?

Maybe I'm missing something (anyone want to jump in and tell me what I'm missing) but wasn't the whole reason why they didn't build new relays was because there was no reason to for various reasons (economic, political) instead of just using the existing relays?

If the relays are gone, why exactly couldn't they build their own?

Because being capable of building communcations that can travel those distances that quickly is alot easier then building something that can create a mass effect "track" to send a ship.

[Zeppex]

If anything they could further the technology, when people are in dire situations is when they tend to shine. Instead of using the massive relays, they could develop something like in Star Trek, not warp, I think it's called slipstream drive. If I correctly its supremely faster then warp or it essentially does what the Mass Relays do except it does it on a ship scale.

[Hexxys]

It's not like the medieval dark ages, correct.

It is, however, the dark ages for a galactic civilization that was based around the technology. The Protheans were much more advanced for their age compared to the modern races, and they still only "kind of" understood how the relays worked. And that's with the relays there, readily available for reverse engineering. With all of the resources a galactic civilization has at its disposal.

But now... the relays have been destroyed, and the citadel-- the center of galactic society-- is gone with them. The galaxy is back to being bits and pieces isolated from eachother. The only relay that MIGHT still be intact is the conduit, which is of course the Prothean mini-prototype mass relay.

IMO at best, the modern races are probably a couple thousand years away from rebuilding their first mass relays. At worst, they're hundreds of thousands of years away because they have nothing to reverse engineer anymore.

[Bleachrude]

Frenor wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Um, this may sound silly but my understanding was that _ONLY_ the relays are down.

Er, aren't the FTL comm buoys built by the council races STILL active. Isn't there still Eezo everywhere? Didn't the codex say that the comm buoys operate on the same principle as the mass relays themselves?

Maybe I'm missing something (anyone want to jump in and tell me what I'm missing) but wasn't the whole reason why they didn't build new relays was because there was no reason to for various reasons (economic, political) instead of just using the existing relays?

If the relays are gone, why exactly couldn't they build their own?

Because being capable of building communcations that can travel those distances that quickly is alot easier then building something that can create a mass effect "track" to send a ship.

True, it's HARDER but I'm not seeing the dark ages at all..

If every bit of EEzo had disappeared, then yes this would be a problem...but given that eezo still is around, the races have a leg-up in that they have the understanding of how the mass relays work...They may not have the material science to BUILD one but this isn't like the Dark ages where actual knowledge was lost (a lot of the knowledge in how rome worked such as the creation of roads and sewer systems were lost).

What it did seems to be a case of simply making space travel not as "easy" as it was before...

(Hell, I'm not even sure why people think Tali and Garrus would starve on earth...why the hell  wouldn't earth NOT have dextro foods? There would be restaurants/embassies that would have to cater to turian visitors given that the Turians were one of the more important citadel races. This isn't a random planet that they are stranded on...and similarly, Arcturus station is only 3 days away...)

[gearseffect]

Frenor wrote...

SteelEagleShane wrote...

I was reading your post but I
can't get past wan't. That is not a word and you do it so consistently
that it vexes me. It is want. Want.

But yes, agreed for the most part.

Ah yes, "want" The bastard child of the old english wan't. We have dismissed this use.

LMFAO!!! I dismiss the Princess Bride Ending, I dissmiss BW and their stupidity if they end things like this I will not buy ANY DLC, If BW thinks that using autodialogue around 75% of the time is a great idea I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC!

If Bioware wants to cater to shooter fans with Action Mode and the standard ME Dialogue Wheel, suffers for it I WILL NOT BUY DLC!
If I can not ask Anderson at the start of ME3 "Why the F*ck are you here your part of the Council." If I can't choose how I  reply to him resigning I will NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC!

I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC for this Abomination of ME3. Maybe than BW may figure out how bad they messed things up, but I doubt it, because enough people will pay for Happy DLC!
Sorry I hold BW responsible for the stupidity in these ending I hold BW as the main party at fault. MR H. Should not have let thise great series end like this and nither should the other people at BW who worked on ME1 and ME2.

[Zeppex]

They don't have to reverse engineer anything. Progress has to be made by the races themselves. Why always dependent on the Reaper Tech. Without the Reaper Tech they might accomplish to create something that surpasses the Mass Relays.

[Bleachrude]

Hexxys wrote...


IMO at best, the modern races are probably a couple thousand years away from rebuilding their first mass relays. At worst, they're hundreds of thousands of years away because they have nothing to reverse engineer anymore.

Um, no.

The citadel races know exacty the science of how the mass relays work. The mass comm system works on a similar principle. They just haven't been able to "scale up" so to speak in being able to create one that can propagate matter rather than the energy of a ftl comm.

 

[Warhawk137]

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62134320

[Juniper Mucius]

Frenor wrote...

SteelEagleShane wrote...

I was reading your post but I
can't get past wan't. That is not a word and you do it so consistently
that it vexes me. It is want. Want.

But yes, agreed for the most part.

Ah yes, "want" The bastard child of the old english wan't. We have dismissed this use.

I'm American, and used to use the British ways of spelling many things.  Going into the field of anthropology, however, I cannot do that.  Apparently anthropology has different termonology based on what part of the world you're in.  If I'm using British English, my peers here in the states or elsewhere may get confused and what I'm writing may be rendered "giberish".

It was funny though, because I had someone message me on a social networking site, "hey, you spelled favorite wrong."  I replied, "'favourite' is the correct spelling in other parts of the world."  She apparently didn't believe me.  /facepalm

Then there's the surging debate about the gods damned Oxford comma.  Makes me want to Saren myself.

[Bleachrude]

Warhawk137 wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62134320

Thank you...

I thought I was the only one that realized this...People seem intent on thinking that this is the end of galactic civilization but I don't think many people realized just how unreal the speed of ME ftl was even outside of the relay system...

As you mentioned, the biggest problem is the discharge of the eezo core...

If anything, we would see an explosion of exploration and science development as people would be trying to push even farther out AND how long you can go before discharge... 

[Frenor]

Warhawk137 wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62134320

Fully agree.

[Hexxys]

Bleachrude wrote...

Hexxys wrote...


IMO at best, the modern races are probably a couple thousand years away from rebuilding their first mass relays. At worst, they're hundreds of thousands of years away because they have nothing to reverse engineer anymore.

Um, no.

The citadel races know exacty the science of how the mass relays work. The mass comm system works on a similar principle. They just haven't been able to "scale up" so to speak in being able to create one that can propagate matter rather than the energy of a ftl comm.

They're not even CLOSE to knowing "exactly" how they work.  If they did, they would have built more.  The Protheans would have as well.

The Protheans were "almost" there.  The modern races aren't even close.

[Bleachrude]

The biggest change for the ME individual is that you no longer can simply say "oh, I'm going to Palaven this Sunday, head to Earth on Tuesday, be in Noveria on Thursday and be in Sukesh on Saturday"

The Elcor would actually be the least affected since as per codex, their economy is mostly internal and true others would be suffering from the loss of easy shipping...but on earth, the silk road pre modern times took about 2 years from Italy to China and that had a huge influence over the world never mind how damn dangerous the route was..

[Warhawk137]

Bleachrude wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62134320

Thank you...

I thought I was the only one that realized this...People seem intent on thinking that this is the end of galactic civilization but I don't think many people realized just how unreal the speed of ME ftl was even outside of the relay system...

As you mentioned, the biggest problem is the discharge of the eezo core...

If anything, we would see an explosion of exploration and science development as people would be trying to push even farther out AND how long you can go before discharge... 

I believe the usual was around 40 or 50 hours of flight, or thereabouts, but the Normandy could go significantly longer than that, so expensive small ships built specifically for scouting are certainly a possibility.

One thing I'm not sure I mentioned in that post is that, in the vein of agreeing with your last point regarding exploration, there are roughly two dozen star systems (some of them binary systems) within 1 day's travel of earth (some just a few hours away), according to Mass Effect conventional FTL speed.  There's certainly not a dearth of exploration and perhaps colonization potential.

[Bleachrude]

Hexxys wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Hexxys wrote...


IMO at best, the modern races are probably a couple thousand years away from rebuilding their first mass relays. At worst, they're hundreds of thousands of years away because they have nothing to reverse engineer anymore.

Um, no.

The citadel races know exacty the science of how the mass relays work. The mass comm system works on a similar principle. They just haven't been able to "scale up" so to speak in being able to create one that can propagate matter rather than the energy of a ftl comm.

They're not even CLOSE to knowing "exactly" how they work.  If they did, they would have built more.  The Protheans would have as well.

The Protheans were "almost" there.  The modern races aren't even close.

Game says you're wrong...Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive, miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space. Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on the network. The networks connect across regions by communications lasers through the mass relays.

[Zeppex]

the point of the relays was to make it easier for the Reapers to pwn the Galaxy. But the real evil or hindrance to them was to stall progress, even though it did make the tech for the races better. In the end if you already had the means to scour then entire galaxy. There would be no need to further the tech, but based on the endings, my conclusion is the races have come up with a tech not leech of one.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Even without mass relays, a straight trip using FTL from one end of the galaxy to the other would only take 23 years, and nobody realistically needs to do that. What you will see at the end of ME3 is a lot of expansion shrinking, colony worlds becoming more independent from both the Citadel worlds and the System Alliance. Also, the SA will likely be no more, as many colony clusters who are in close proximity will decide to form their own governments, especially in the Traverse. Earth, being rebuilt, will have to deal with a massive immigration influx of Turians and Asari refugees who currently don't have the means to make it home.

It's a huge hiccup in the world of galactic progress, but the chains of destiny have been broken, and all civilizations are free to chart their futures for themselves, and not on the pre-determined route made for them.

[Warhawk137]

Also, I believe I mentioned it in that post, there was, according to Aethyta, some discussion regarding construction of new mass relays. Considering the comm buoys were already a preliminary exercise in the field, to suggest that the citadel races (of course now we're gonna need a new name for them, but whatever) weren't close can't really be true. The comm buoys demonstrate that they have the concept down. The reason why they didn't go further into the field was probably basic economics - it's expensive, and with the relay network there wasn't much need. A lot of the relay network was still unexplored, so it's not like they were pressed for space to expand.

[meteor0L]

gearseffect wrote...

Frenor wrote...

SteelEagleShane wrote...

I was reading your post but I
can't get past wan't. That is not a word and you do it so consistently
that it vexes me. It is want. Want.

But yes, agreed for the most part.

Ah yes, "want" The bastard child of the old english wan't. We have dismissed this use.

LMFAO!!! I dismiss the Princess Bride Ending, I dissmiss BW and their stupidity if they end things like this I will not buy ANY DLC, If BW thinks that using autodialogue around 75% of the time is a great idea I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC!

If Bioware wants to cater to shooter fans with Action Mode and the standard ME Dialogue Wheel, suffers for it I WILL NOT BUY DLC!
If I can not ask Anderson at the start of ME3 "Why the F*ck are you here your part of the Council." If I can't choose how I  reply to him resigning I will NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC!

I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DLC for this Abomination of ME3. Maybe than BW may figure out how bad they messed things up, but I doubt it, because enough people will pay for Happy DLC!
Sorry I hold BW responsible for the stupidity in these ending I hold BW as the main party at fault. MR H. Should not have let thise great series end like this and nither should the other people at BW who worked on ME1 and ME2.

i was just about to write how suprised i am by the fact that noone cried about the game and really said things related to op. then you came in here. man, this forum seems to have more immature users than every other. its even worse than the bf3 battlelog forum (which is REALLY hard to achieve btw).
the only thing i see here whenever i log in is stupid bioware bashing, end even if someone creates a topic to discuss something, childish bioware bashers flood it with offtopic flames.

you know what? cancel your preorder, don't buy the game, never buy a bioware game again, WE DON'T CARE!

OP:
i wouldn't call it dark ages either, its more like... the slow and painfull phase of rebuilding, which is always part of large scale war. but since its a "galaxywide war" and not a worldwide war, they have to rebuild mass relays instead of bridges and streets ^^

Modifié par meteor0L, 05 mars 2012 - 08:07 .