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[G3rman]

It wouldn't have jumpstarted humanity so quickly if they didn't heavily incorporate the technology for their own. You can't say whether they did in fact make changes and to how much of their tech they did so.

You are only assuming it just like everyone else who likes to thinks these endings are good.

[Allworkandlowpay]

G3rman wrote...

Sweet, we have ships that run on very rare resources that we no longer have the technology to find and mine!

Not to mention that the systems on these ships as well as our planets are all reverse engineered prothean *cough*reaper*cough* tech that no longer is operable.

Well this is a fine feathered morning.

Element Zero is simply a resource that can be mined. It's found primarily in asteroid fields near dying or neutron stars. Large mining operations have already been established to produce and refine said resource. the only effects the loss of the Mass Relays has on the mining is the transportation of the resources back and forth. This rises cost, little else. 

[Bleachrude]

G3rman wrote...

Sweet, we have ships that run on very rare resources that we no longer have the technology to find and mine!

Not to mention that the systems on these ships as well as our planets are all reverse engineered prothean *cough*reaper*cough* tech that no longer is operable.

Well this is a fine feathered morning.

Huh?

Eezo is and never has been a fuel source.

Eezo is more compareable to "rare" earth elements like scandium. Relatively common but hard to mine economically (different reasons though.."rare" earth elements don't usually occur in single deposits whereas Eezo is only found after a sun goes supernova)

Again, my understanding is that only tech that actually incorporates reaper tech is "gone". Thanix canons for example, are based on reaper tech but don't actually incorporate reaper tech.

[Allworkandlowpay]

G3rman wrote...

It wouldn't have jumpstarted humanity so quickly if they didn't heavily incorporate the technology for their own. You can't say whether they did in fact make changes and to how much of their tech they did so.

You are only assuming it just like everyone else who likes to thinks these endings are good.

No, we aren't. The Codex already heavily went into Element Zero in ME1. 

No Prothean/Reaper tech was used in the production/refinement of Eezo, or the drive cores/tech that use it. The major breakthrough in FTL flight came only from finding Refined Eezo stockpiles at the Mars Prothein Ruins in 2103. According to the codex, the refined Eezo, as long with recovered Prothean information only on it's application, allowed for exstenive study and experimentation. That experimentation, using solely human technologies, led to the innovation of humanities first FTL drive shortly after.

[Warhawk137]

G3rman wrote...

You are only assuming it just like everyone else who likes to thinks these endings are good.

And you're making assumptions that don't fit with the established lore just because you want the endings to be completely and horrendously bad in every way, instead of just kinda bad in a few particular respects.

[Frenor]

G3rman wrote...

It wouldn't have jumpstarted humanity so quickly if they didn't heavily incorporate the technology for their own. You can't say whether they did in fact make changes and to how much of their tech they did so.

You are only assuming it just like everyone else who likes to thinks these endings are good.

Before I answer the first part lemme clarify something.

I never said these endings were good. I'm just as disapointed that instead of gently shutting the door on Shepard and friends it a door slam. I made this thread because I wanted to point out that even if it is sucky for us seeing a good resolution that overall the galaxy isn't fubar'd as hard as the lamenting forum rage would lead people to beleive. I however can accept the endings for what they are, good or bad, a ending. When something you like, enjoy or love ends it sucks.

Humans had access to that PROTHEAN designed EZ0 and drivecores for roughly nine years before first contact with the rest of the citadel species. Note I capped prothean. This means the stuff left on Mars was disconnected from the reapers an thus wouldn't be on the same frequency. Basicly the protheans knew they failed. So they left what they could with a young species they felt would have the best chance at useing it.

[Bleachrude]

G3rman wrote...

It wouldn't have jumpstarted humanity so quickly if they didn't heavily incorporate the technology for their own. You can't say whether they did in fact make changes and to how much of their tech they did so.

You are only assuming it just like everyone else who likes to thinks these endings are good.

Well, we're simply going by what the ending has said.

1. I haven't seen anything that says that eezo has disappeared.

2. The mass relays don't actually explode..They simply shut down after spewing their energy.

3. The destroy simply states that any tech that uses reaper tech is no longer going to work. My understanding is that it actually requires having actual REAPER parts in it. Otherwise, how would it know how to **** down? For example, if I come up with a water wheel but make it horizontal and a ROB comes along and says "all chinese water wheels will no longer work", why exactly would my water wheel stop working?

[Zulmoka531]

For what it's worth, I believe the whole "Grandpa and Grandson" thing at the end kinda skews everyone's vision of technology, as it gives the impression that there is little to none.

While it was meant to be a "hopeful" thing, it seems to have caused..confusion.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Frenor wrote...
Before I answer the first part lemme clarify something.

I never said these endings were good. I'm just as disapointed that instead of gently shutting the door on Shepard and friends it a door slam. I made this thread because I wanted to point out that even if it is sucky for us seeing a good resolution that overall the galaxy isn't fubar'd as hard as the lamenting forum rage would lead people to beleive. I however can accept the endings for what they are, good or bad, a ending. When something you like, enjoy or love ends it sucks.

Humans had access to that PROTHEAN designed EZ0 and drivecores for roughly nine years before first contact with the rest of the citadel species. Note I capped prothean. This means the stuff left on Mars was disconnected from the reapers an thus wouldn't be on the same frequency. Basicly the protheans knew they failed. So they left what they could with a young species they felt would have the best chance at useing it.

Also, 

Nothing in the codex indicates it was even Prothean. As far as it reads, humanity found refined Eezo at the ruins, and the decyphered information actually just led to the Charon relay, not FTL drives. The FTL drives was something humanity made on it's own from the found Eezo.

Modifié par Allworkandlowpay, 05 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Warhawk137]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

For what it's worth, I believe the whole "Grandpa and Grandson" thing at the end kinda skews everyone's vision of technology, as it gives the impression that there is little to none.

While it was meant to be a "hopeful" thing, it seems to have caused..confusion.

Right - plenty of explanations for that.  In fact, them being the Normandy crew's descendants probably even makes the most sense, since it's a big galaxy, so the chance they'd be found and rescued is pretty much slim to none, even if galactic civilization rebounded quite quickly.

The point is, wherever that scene occurs, there is little to no technology.  But it really doesn't say anything about the state of the galaxy as a whole.

[Frenor]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Frenor wrote...
Before I answer the first part lemme clarify something.

I never said these endings were good. I'm just as disapointed that instead of gently shutting the door on Shepard and friends it a door slam. I made this thread because I wanted to point out that even if it is sucky for us seeing a good resolution that overall the galaxy isn't fubar'd as hard as the lamenting forum rage would lead people to beleive. I however can accept the endings for what they are, good or bad, a ending. When something you like, enjoy or love ends it sucks.

Humans had access to that PROTHEAN designed EZ0 and drivecores for roughly nine years before first contact with the rest of the citadel species. Note I capped prothean. This means the stuff left on Mars was disconnected from the reapers an thus wouldn't be on the same frequency. Basicly the protheans knew they failed. So they left what they could with a young species they felt would have the best chance at useing it.

Also, 

Nothing in the codex indicates it was even Prothean. As far as it reads, humanity found refined Eezo at the ruins, and the decyphered information actually just led to the Charon relay, not FTL drives. The FTL drives was something humanity made on it's own from the found Eezo.

Its mentioned humanity found ships on mars as well. "In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

[Allworkandlowpay]

Frenor wrote...
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Its mentioned humanity found ships on mars as well. "In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

Which codex entry is that from? My file has that missing. 

[Frenor]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Frenor wrote...


Its mentioned humanity found ships on mars as well. "In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

Which codex entry is that from? My file has that missing. 

It should be in a secondarie codex entry.

[Warhawk137]

Frenor wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Frenor wrote...
Before I answer the first part lemme clarify something.

I never said these endings were good. I'm just as disapointed that instead of gently shutting the door on Shepard and friends it a door slam. I made this thread because I wanted to point out that even if it is sucky for us seeing a good resolution that overall the galaxy isn't fubar'd as hard as the lamenting forum rage would lead people to beleive. I however can accept the endings for what they are, good or bad, a ending. When something you like, enjoy or love ends it sucks.

Humans had access to that PROTHEAN designed EZ0 and drivecores for roughly nine years before first contact with the rest of the citadel species. Note I capped prothean. This means the stuff left on Mars was disconnected from the reapers an thus wouldn't be on the same frequency. Basicly the protheans knew they failed. So they left what they could with a young species they felt would have the best chance at useing it.

Also, 

Nothing in the codex indicates it was even Prothean. As far as it reads, humanity found refined Eezo at the ruins, and the decyphered information actually just led to the Charon relay, not FTL drives. The FTL drives was something humanity made on it's own from the found Eezo.

Its mentioned humanity found ships on mars as well. "In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

"Several starships" - and humanity has a rather large fleet.  They obviously built quite a few from scratch.

In any case, FTL drives aren't really all that complicated, strictly speaking.  It's just pumping a huge current through an element zero core to drastically reduce mass.  It's not like you need some hyper-advanced reaper tech to do it.

[Melra]

Awesomely positive vibe here. I hope people read through it, before starting to moan uncontrollably. I can't say I enjoy the endings, but if they somehow manage to plant nice seed of hope at the end, I think I may be content with it. The Normandy thing, as said before, is probably the main reason why people are so upset.

Modifié par Melrache, 05 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Zeppex]

The point is even if all Reaper Tech is gone, do you really think that people would day all tech is gone. All is lost, we must become an agrarian culture, some might. But I think that just like the people of earth, our earth not the ME one, that they would find away to build new tech. Same goes for other places. Asari can live to be over 1000 years old, I would find it narrow minded that if in a 1000ys an Asari couldn't develop some new tech.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Melrache wrote...

Awesomely positive vibe here. I hope people read through it, before starting to mean uncontrollably. I can't say I enjoy the endings, but if they somehow manage to plant nice seed of hope at the end, I think I may be content with it. The Normandy thing, as said before, is probably the main reason why people are so upset.

I'll be even more positive.

I don't think you even have much to worry about with the crew crashlanding. I think they are just setting up ME4. Mark my words, finding out what happened to Shepard and recovering his crew will be the beginning focal point of the next ME "trilogy." Bet you find them crashlanded, build the SR-3, get Joker to pilot it, and off you go. It's just a way to ensure all your characters are in one place to start the next one off, and to add a bit of drama to it.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Zeppex wrote...

The point is even if all Reaper Tech is gone, do you really think that people would day all tech is gone. All is lost, we must become an agrarian culture, some might. But I think that just like the people of earth, our earth not the ME one, that they would find away to build new tech. Same goes for other places. Asari can live to be over 1000 years old, I would find it narrow minded that if in a 1000ys an Asari couldn't develop some new tech.

And Reaper tech is limited. It's pretty much just the Mass Relays (which can actually be rebuilt,) the Citadel (a non-issue) and Heretic Geth. Everything else works fine.

[Warhawk137]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Awesomely positive vibe here. I hope people read through it, before starting to mean uncontrollably. I can't say I enjoy the endings, but if they somehow manage to plant nice seed of hope at the end, I think I may be content with it. The Normandy thing, as said before, is probably the main reason why people are so upset.

I'll be even more positive.

I don't think you even have much to worry about with the crew crashlanding. I think they are just setting up ME4. Mark my words, finding out what happened to Shepard and recovering his crew will be the beginning focal point of the next ME "trilogy." Bet you find them crashlanded, build the SR-3, get Joker to pilot it, and off you go. It's just a way to ensure all your characters are in one place to start the next one off, and to add a bit of drama to it.

I think they'd probably go with a new main character, and try to avoid as many continuity/canon problems as they can... maybe even enforce some canon just to keep things from getting out of hand, based on who's dead and who's alive.

But I could see Shepard in an Anderson/Hackett role, which would be cool.  Say it happens 10 or 15 years down the line.

[Warhawk137]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Zeppex wrote...

The point is even if all Reaper Tech is gone, do you really think that people would day all tech is gone. All is lost, we must become an agrarian culture, some might. But I think that just like the people of earth, our earth not the ME one, that they would find away to build new tech. Same goes for other places. Asari can live to be over 1000 years old, I would find it narrow minded that if in a 1000ys an Asari couldn't develop some new tech.

And Reaper tech is limited. It's pretty much just the Mass Relays (which can actually be rebuilt,) the Citadel (a non-issue) and Heretic Geth. Everything else works fine.

And really, who would want the Citadel back anyway?

I mean... creeeeeepy.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Warhawk137 wrote...



I think they'd probably go with a new main character, and try to avoid as many continuity/canon problems as they can... maybe even enforce some canon just to keep things from getting out of hand, based on who's dead and who's alive.

But I could see Shepard in an Anderson/Hackett role, which would be cool.  Say it happens 10 or 15 years down the line.

They will start with a new character, But i'm certain the focus initially will be able recovering the SR2. None of the endings show any of the crew onboard dieing, just not leaving the capsule. They will likely have Joker be the flight commander of the SR3, have some cameo's for the old characters, and off to unknown space to find Shepard/fight unknown new enemy.

[Elios]

im loving this thread guys

i think what we well see is a boom of BIGGER ships built for long haul remember in space size isnt really an issue so think we will see cargo ships the size of Dreadnoughts
but what others have said is mostly true i think
thinking about it not having the relays will only slow things down for a wile

piracy wont be an issue other then in smaller clusters with out much gov't
once in FTL no one can find you and even if they do they can not catch you
since sensers dont work in FTL

Modifié par Elios, 05 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Frenor]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...



I think they'd probably go with a new main character, and try to avoid as many continuity/canon problems as they can... maybe even enforce some canon just to keep things from getting out of hand, based on who's dead and who's alive.

But I could see Shepard in an Anderson/Hackett role, which would be cool.  Say it happens 10 or 15 years down the line.

They will start with a new character, But i'm certain the focus initially will be able recovering the SR2. None of the endings show any of the crew onboard dieing, just not leaving the capsule. They will likely have Joker be the flight commander of the SR3, have some cameo's for the old characters, and off to unknown space to find Shepard/fight unknown new enemy.

I think we'll be in MMO territory by then. I'll dream its a much more polished refined ME3 co-op experince that follows the SWTOR (dont laugh) style of story telling and small party size. Each expansion pack is just more relays being built and character longevity being explained as just cryo sleep which will become a must I assume for most travels save for a very short shifted flight crew. Who knows in the end.

I just seriously doubt that another single player ME game of the calibur we've received so far will be done.

[Johnny_Cheung]

don't forget the "conduit thing", these kind of transportation and communication could be recovered. though without citadel and relay, the other bits of galactic civilization is still preserved, AT LEAST THE EARTH IS SAVED IN THE DESTROY GOOD ENDING, so as other system which had way less to be outran by reapers..... ; and the .... and joker is not necessary to be perished...

that is the best i could imagine in the ending provided......

[Johnny_Cheung]

at worst, the normandy crew are all sacrificed, but the implication on ther civilization is not to be doomed, i would rather wonder where the source of "galaxy is boned for 200k years" is...