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[Lotion Soronarr]

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-1

Finally, a intelligent analysis of the subject matter!

[Tsuga C]

Good find, Lotion!

[Captain Blood]

i think this thread is going to get locked because it is a vs thread, but very interesting. thx for sharing

[Tsuga C]

Nah, it's an informational thread rather than a confrontational one, so it should stay open unless people start stirring up [excrement] just for the sake of stirring up [excrement].

[Seagloom]

The definitive answer to what question? Interesting video game history bits aside, it is as subjective an analysis as any. The video does not address the never ending question of what an RPG is; instead opting to bypass it to support their thesis.

What I got from this was they couldn't address the subject, so instead they are pointing out the obvious by casting a spotlight on the underpinnings of the two subgenres.

WRPGs and JRPGs are unique beasts that appeal to different tastes. Wow... really? You don't say.

[bmwcrazy]

WRPG = DA:Origins

JRPG = DA2

/thread

[GodWood]

I haven't played any JRPGs that were remotely like DA2.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Seagloom wrote...

The definitive answer to what question? Interesting video game history bits aside, it is as subjective an analysis as any. The video does not address the never ending question of what an RPG is; instead opting to bypass it to support their thesis.

What I got from this was they couldn't address the subject, so instead they are pointing out the obvious by casting a spotlight on the underpinnings of the two subgenres.

WRPGs and JRPGs are unique beasts that appeal to different tastes. Wow... really? You don't say.

Did you really expect a comprehensive definition in just one video? It's a very big, problematic subject to tackle.
And b.t.w. - history is important.

[Seagloom]

Yes, history is important. I did state those bits were interesting in the post you quoted. However, interesting though it was, those details were largely irrelevant in resolving anything. And yes, I noticed they intend to split this topic into three videos. It does not matter. The thesis they posit in this introduction reveals these videos will in no way be "definitive" as your thread title suggests.

It was an entertaining watch as most Extra Credits videos are; but that does not mean it is any less of a fluff piece editorial.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[Il Divo]

Seagloom wrote...

The definitive answer to what question? Interesting video game history bits aside, it is as subjective an analysis as any. The video does not address the never ending question of what an RPG is; instead opting to bypass it to support their thesis.

What I got from this was they couldn't address the subject, so instead they are pointing out the obvious by casting a spotlight on the underpinnings of the two subgenres.

WRPGs and JRPGs are unique beasts that appeal to different tastes. Wow... really? You don't say.

Agreed. The writers do a great job of expressing themselves with clarity, but they really haven't tackled any new subject matter, far as I could see. It was more style than substance.

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[eroeru]

bmwcrazy wrote...

WRPG = DA:Origins

JRPG = DA2

/thread

Is that supposed to be funny?

edit: I am genuinely wondering as to whether this was a joke or not. And if so, in what way...

Modifié par eroeru, 05 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[bmwcrazy]

eroeru wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

WRPG = DA:Origins

JRPG = DA2

/thread

Is that supposed to be funny?

edit: I am genuinely wondering as to whether this was a joke or not. And if so, in what way...

Yes, it is. Time to replace your funny meter's battery.

[MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES]

bmwcrazy wrote...

JRPG = DA2

NO, JRPGS HAVE MORE CHOICE AND CONSEQUENCE. DRAGON AGE 2 IS MORE OF A FETCH QUEST SIMULATOR WITH RPG AND DATING SIM ELEMENTS.

[wizardryforever]

I tend to agree that WRPGs and JRPGs should really be separate genres, as they play very differently, and focus on different aspects of gameplay.  Western RPGs focus more on customization and making the character your own, while Eastern RPGs are about experiencing the story as though it were a book, and may end up having stronger narratives because of that inflexibility.

On the whole, I found arguing about what makes an RPG to be tedious, because what I define as an RPG pretty much doesn't apply to JRPGs (I don't really care for them), and I get annoyed when people claim that FF7 (or some other number/letter combo using FF) doesn't do that.  For my personal tastes, JRPGs aren't RPGs, in that they allow almost nothing about what I actually like in RPGs.

[Valcutio]

This was actually a very intelligent and well thought out video. I look forward to future installments. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Seagloom wrote...

Yes, history is important. I did state those bits were interesting in the post you quoted. However, interesting though it was, those details were largely irrelevant in resolving anything. And yes, I noticed they intend to split this topic into three videos. It does not matter. The thesis they posit in this introduction reveals these videos will in no way be "definitive" as your thread title suggests.

It was an entertaining watch as most Extra Credits videos are; but that does not mean it is any less of a fluff piece editorial.

The first part is more of an intro.
To give a wider overview and context before dwelling into specificics (the only proper way to do things).

I don't really know what you were expecting. Nor what you would accept or consider "definitive".
In retrospect I shouldn't have used that word.

[Farbautisonn]

Great link. However in a world where people prefer cookiecutter "black and white" (Rpg vs FPS for instance) there isnt alot of room for "Gray". If people like a game because of its RPG /storytelling elements, its an RPG / storydriven game, and anyone who thinks differently are stupid. And Vice verca.

[KT Chong]

Have always loved WRPG, but tried and tried and hate hate hate JRPG, so they are definitely not the same genre.

I actually think WRPG has better storytelling than JRPG.  I generally do not touch games without a good story.  JRPG may have stories, but they have childish stories and horrible storytelling that are often illogical and insensible. WRPG, when they have stories, often have adult themes and mature storytelling.  It is the same reason why I generally hate hate hate anime and manga, because I think they have really stupid immature stories that often make absolute no sense, (or maybe it was just bad translations.) However, I also think American superhero comics are really stupid too, but comic books are not the main storytelling or social medium in West  as anime and manga are in Japan. 

Modifié par KT Chong, 06 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Clover Rider]

I have not seen the video yet but I will when I have the time.

Since Extra Credits is one of the only things related to "game journalism" (and it's not journalism) that I like  

It is the series that I would make if I made videos about video games and the episodes revolving around social justice and video games are wonderful (although their more "pure straight up playing these things" style videos are really well thought out too)

I would really consider it an important watch, but I know somewhere out there, there's more people who find it obnoxious than something interesting, because Dan's stances on social subjects tend to challenge a lot of things that are pretty easy for people in GAAAAME CULTUUUURE to write off as unimortant, or overdramatic. Because f**k GAAAAMERS.  

Any altogether community that has made "females playing games" such an incredible punchline from so many angles is terrible

I remember a lot of stuff back when they were on the Escapist where comments about an episode involving an angle like that were met with really blah retorts. "I don't think sexuality has any business in a game at all!" kind of things, or angles about false mediation.

Modifié par Some Geth, 07 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[addiction21]

Some Geth wrote...

I have not seen the video yet but I will when I have the time.

Its going to be several episodes.

I saw that and chose to wait till they put all the episodes out.

[Cribbian]

Part 2 is up

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-2

[Lotion Soronarr]

another good episode.