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[Aesieru]

Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

XOEmma wrote...

First bad thing that Bioware has done in their lifetime is not doing KoTOR 2..Other ones they did wrong where just the icing on the cake.

I disagree. I am glad that it passed to Obsidian. We got one of the best RPG games ever made and a dissection of Star Wars universe as we know it. It was no loger simple black and white and it was fantastic. Best RPG experience I had. They took the original game and expanded on it in every way possible just like any god damn sequel should.


That said I agree with the OP post we had an argument in another thread and I know he's not just "hating cause of hating"

I should make it clear to you that while KotOR II was good sure, it wasn't fully completed and was a bit rushed. Also, they admit they never actually had the time to even play KotOR I before making KotOR II, they were operating off of parts of a script and that's why a lot of things don't always line up sensically.

KotOR II was good though no doubts there.

I know all about it. In a nutshell publisher once again runied a good game because they rushed the deadline just like I feel that EA rushed ME2 and 3. Honestly Obsidian knows how to fraking write. Most of the time. 

True, but sometimes that's all they know how to do.

Looking at you Storms of Zehir.

[AkiKishi]

Obro wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

XOEmma wrote...

First bad thing that Bioware has done in their lifetime is not doing KoTOR 2..Other ones they did wrong where just the icing on the cake.

I disagree. I am glad that it passed to Obsidian. We got one of the best RPG games ever made and a dissection of Star Wars universe as we know it. It was no loger simple black and white and it was fantastic. Best RPG experience I had. They took the original game and expanded on it in every way possible just like any god damn sequel should.


That said I agree with the OP post we had an argument in another thread and I know he's not just "hating cause of hating"

I should make it clear to you that while KotOR II was good sure, it wasn't fully completed and was a bit rushed. Also, they admit they never actually had the time to even play KotOR I before making KotOR II, they were operating off of parts of a script and that's why a lot of things don't always line up sensically.

KotOR II was good though no doubts there.

I know all about it. In a nutshell publisher once again runied a good game because they rushed the deadline just like I feel that EA rushed ME2 and 3. Honestly Obsidian knows how to fraking write. Most of the time. 

It was not just rushed it was gutted. There is a ton of missing content for KOTORII that never saw daylight because it was not suitible for the rating LA was aiming for.

Playing the first part and the last part is like playing two totally different games.

[Obro]

You know that fact that it was gutted kinda made me replay the game more than 10 god damn times because I wanted to get all the info. I have never played another game like that.

But then I didn't have internet and just picked up enough English to understand what they were saying. I can safely say that Kotor1 and 2 taught me English. Now I installed the restoration project but damn ... I don't feel like playing through the damn Peragus station again.

[Aesieru]

Obro wrote...

You know that fact that it was gutted kinda made me replay the game more than 10 god damn times because I wanted to get all the info. I have never played another game like that.

But then I didn't have internet and just picked up enough English to understand what they were saying. I can safely say that Kotor1 and 2 taught me English. Now I installed the restoration project but damn ... I don't feel like playing through the damn Peragus station again.

I like PEragus, the restore just adds TOO MUCH content in a way that it shouldn't be there. Nar Shaddaa as the worst... like 5 battles one after the other and harder Twi'lek sisters...

There isn't proper pacing.

I play my RPG's over every year or so, so I've gotten a lot out of them.

[Butthead11]

Aesieru wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...






Combat-based gameplay is the new priority.
Playthrough time of game is an est. 28 hours full, no longer 40.
Entire graphical redo's which destroy immersion of previous games in regards to character appearances and voices.

These were the only things on your list that could actually be true, and your complaint about gamelength is silly since ME1 was one of the shortest games i've ever played, being finishable in 8 hours. 

42 hours complete 100%, you must of missed a lot of content, though a lot of things only opened up after certain parts of the game, even in explored systems as new solar systems were added to clusters.

The other things are true, I've checked my facts and looked at the information from those with early copies and also looked at over variables.

I won't argue this, this thread is not meant to be an argument.

36 hours of roaming wastelands isn't satisfying gameplay to most. The side content of ME1 was slapped on trash. 

And no most of the things you said were completley false. 

[Obro]

Butthead11 wrote...

36 hours of roaming wastelands isn't satisfying gameplay to most. The side content of ME1 was slapped on trash. 

And no most of the things you said were completley false. 

there was that one or two things that I like. The Rachni on the moon and that ...orb globe thingy that was something like the Monolith from Space odissy. I always wondered will that have any impact on ME2 and 3 and ....sadly it does not. But it's details like that that give RPG charm not the BIG EPIC OMGness.

[Farbautisonn]

A lot of concerns here that I feel are my own.

Bioware made its bones in the business making storydriven games. Rpgs. Now the focus seems to be more in the pew pew and fast action field. And the old school followers, the ones that  made Bioware by loyally buying their games feel... gutted. We feel abandoned. Most of us didnt buy Bioware games for action or graphics. Those were Icing. Nothing more. And we see the ghosts of xmas past (Origin, Bullfrog and Westwood) lurking in the shadows.

I dont know If Ill buy ME3 to be honest. At least not at full price. The demo, the lurkings of DA2 and what I have heard doesnt seem to be very promoting to my hopes of getting more story, less pew pew.

Im sure someone in Bioware thinks this is the path they should move on. If no, I fail to see why they do it.  I dont think it makes sense to abandon your core competance and core client base in the middle of a financial crisis.

If my worst fears are realized and Bioware gets folded into EA akin to times past, then I suspect some of the Bioware crew will move toward other pastures. However the problem here is that afther my experiences here, they will have to convince me over again. Bioware has to do the same. And EA... EA seems to be hellbent on keeping the reputation they have earned. Despite the frequent announcements vehemently denying so. If Bio gets folded into EA, EA could tell me water was wet and the sun was hot and I wouldnt put an ounce of credibility toward it.

Anyway. I just feel gutted because DA:O showed promise and I actually liked ME. But then things... got worse.

[Farbautisonn]

As for FO3... It wasnt great, but It was a nice shot at the title. The DLC "The pitt" vindicated Bethesda though. Best DLC ever... Havent played any DLC that was as good as that.

[Femlob]

Aesieru wrote...

Obro wrote...

You know that fact that it was gutted kinda made me replay the game more than 10 god damn times because I wanted to get all the info. I have never played another game like that.

But then I didn't have internet and just picked up enough English to understand what they were saying. I can safely say that Kotor1 and 2 taught me English. Now I installed the restoration project but damn ... I don't feel like playing through the damn Peragus station again.

I like PEragus, the restore just adds TOO MUCH content in a way that it shouldn't be there. Nar Shaddaa as the worst... like 5 battles one after the other and harder Twi'lek sisters...

There isn't proper pacing.

I play my RPG's over every year or so, so I've gotten a lot out of them.

Personally, I prefer botched pacing over botched content - but it's a moot point. It's a good game regardless.

The biggest beef I have with KotORII, honestly, is how incredibly OP Sentinels are - especially in comparison to KotOR. Skills have become so important that playing a Guardian is just painful. Consulars still aren't much fun if you're not DS, but that's lore for you.

Edit: Have to say it's good to see that The Exile is canonically female, BTW. Doesn't happen very often.

Modifié par Femlob, 05 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[Eterna]

Aesieru wrote...



After seeing this leak...

This is one of the things that got me excited.

Apparently the majority of those convo's are gone now.

I have to ask where you get your info from. 

[bobbity123]

Solduri wrote...

bobbity123 wrote...

Oh my god, get your heads out your arse's. You're still getting the game and you know what, you're still going to complete it and more than likely enjoy it as it creates a sense of closure on Shepard's ending (no matter how bad it is). Yes, its not the same game as ME 1 or 2 but lets be honest here, it's still going to be fricken amazing.

people like you are the leading cause in the decay of quality in games...


game company:"we steamlined the game by removing everything that made it succesful in the first place!"

brainless customer:"TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!!"

No. Lets be honest here its being blown majorly out of preportion, yeah the endings suck pretty hard but to be honest you'd be an idiot if you thought they would end all happily ever after as these reapers essentially out tech and nearly outnumber you. I knew the endings would be grim not to this scale but heh awell. The actual gameplay itself looks to be pretty much (in my opinion) a perfect blend of combat and rpg as you can still choose most o fthe key plots/endings for the game. The levelling system looks pretty good, not as complex as ME3 but a hell of a lot better than me 2. The only reason people are complaining is because they think that bioware have fleeced them and are just wringing money out of them. WEll duh ? They are a company they are made to make money, it's still a large  jump above the rest of the games out there with only a few standing up to it in terms of fun and story depth. So shut up about them removing a lot of the stuff that made it successful it's still got that with more features added in. 

[Obro]

What bothers me the most in Kotor is retcons in TOR for Kreia and co.

That said yeah it's a downfall in the quality of writing for BioWare. That you cant deny.

[Femlob]

Obro wrote...

What bothers me the most in Kotor is retcons in TOR for Kreia and co.

That said yeah it's a downfall in the quality of writing for BioWare. That you cant deny.

Ah, but retcons are SOP for BioWare nowadays.

[Rob_K1]

Not sure how much this is worth to you, but quoting another person, note the bold parts as it pertains to auto-dialog and such, alongside when it starts to feel like traditional Mass Effect:

Link

DTKT wrote...

Another comment from Neogaf. Looks like the first 15 hours are weak on dialogue and choice. It opens up after that.

Alright I'm about 14 hours in and I can confirm that the dialogue does get better. Through the first few hours I was getting a little worried. The introduction is not too good, it feels rushed with bad dialogue, and the next two missions don't get much

better. They only give you two dialogue options in situations where you should have more. I felt the first 4 hours just kinda seemed like a micheal bay movie and I was getting a little worried that Mass Effect 3 was gonna end up like gears of war. But

DO NOT PANIC the dialogue does in fact get much better particularly after you start to recruit crew members. After the first initial missions and after you get to explore the Citadel and start some side missions the game starts to feel like good ole Mass

Effect again. The weapon customization and upgrade system is awesome, feels alot like ME1. I think they did a good job again at polishing the combat and cover system, and the skill point system is definitely better than ME2, but still not amazing.

Most of the technical things they changed/added I really cannot complain about. Overall I think they did a great job at combining the good parts of ME1 and ME2. You have to take the game for what it is, and its really good. It may not be your

typical in-depth, spreadsheet type RPG, but so far I am liking this better than ME2 and am really enjoying it. It is definitely a quality game you just have to let go of your strict definitions of Shooter and RPG and just enjoy the last episode of a trilogy that the gaming community won't soon forget.

(Also, as others mis-interpreted it, it doesn't seem like the user is saying the game takes '14 or so hours to get good'. Rather it takes around 4 hours or so.)

Modifié par Rob_K1, 05 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[SilentCO1]

Game is more than 28 hours, unless you try to finish as quick as possible. All the side missions, from what I heard atleast, alone in ME3 total about 40 hours, not including the actual story of the game.

[lastpawn]

XOEmma wrote...

First bad thing that Bioware has done in their lifetime is not doing KoTOR 2..Other ones they did wrong where just the icing on the cake.

Well, they were busy working on Jade Empire.

...yeah

Edit: Really, OP, it's not just Bioware. Graphics and gameplay up, story and writing down has been pretty usual across the board. And while I'm glad for graphics and gameplay (I don't actually ENJOY clunky mechanics of many, many RPGs), it's getting to the point where I'd honestly rather replay old games and spend money on new ones.

It's actually mind-boggling, because I think I'm the most cost-effective customer for Bioware. After all, all I want is good dialogue/story.

Modifié par lastpawn, 05 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Stanley Woo]

Not ME3 gameplay related.

End of line.