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[Kimberly Shaw]

I love how off topic this thread has become so suddenly!



The terrors inflicted upon the world in the name of religion are vastly greater than those brought about by aetheists, Yevgenii.



As for history's greatest scientists being religous, religion and science are not mutually exclusive concepts; however I would argue that its more a result of the era these scientist lived in with pervasive religion crammed down their throats from birth rather than a result of their keen minds deciding that God created the world 6,000 years ago.

[Few87]

hahah, i knew it was only a matter of time until this thread turned into a crazy debate on religion.

[TileToad]

I think this thread should be locked before it turns into a warzone.

[LadyRae9]

I have absolutely no doubts as to the existence of God. I also believe in science. I consider myself to be a Christian Scientist in the truest sense of the term - not as it is used, but as someone who follows both.

[Guiomar]

Actually in all of history religion (or at least cristian religion) is against scientific progress and is still happening today...

[Yevgenii]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

I love how off topic this thread has become so suddenly!

The terrors inflicted upon the world in the name of religion are vastly greater than those brought about by aetheists, Yevgenii.

As for history's greatest scientists being religous, religion and science are not mutually exclusive concepts; however I would argue that its more a result of the era these scientist lived in with pervasive religion crammed down their throats from birth rather than a result of their keen minds deciding that God created the world 6,000 years ago.

I'm not talking about organized religion. I wholeheartedly agree that organized religion is the worst enemy of religion itself and everyone else. I do, however, believe that if you think the universe was made by chance, you are either naive or pretty dilusional, or maybe not taking your meds. Why do you think that the field of physics has the highest convert ratio? There was a study done that estimates the chances of our world being created by randomness. What did they find? It was zero

[Yevgenii]

Guiomar wrote...

Actually in all of history religion (or at least cristian religion) is against scientific progress and is still happening today...

I'd like to see the commandment or verse that sais "Thou shalt not make toaster"

[lawsie100]

Yevgenii wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

The "funny" thing is.

When atheists try to advance atheism it's all good because at best it usually results in the advancement of real-world science, clarity of thought and universal understanding of tangible truths and at worst is mildly insulting in a verbal way.

while...

When religious people people try to advance religion it's a horrible thing because at best it involves brainwashing, enforced conformity and stifling of expression and at worst it usually involves thumbscrews, boiling oil, meathooks, fire and ropes.

Lolz

That's all i'm saying, i don't like to argue with the insane, it's un-productive to say the least.

I think its hilarious when athiests assume they are productive. You probably didn't know, but the vast majority of the greatest scientists in history were religious.

Speechless?

thats because they didnt know better and what we know today.  For example, do you believe in talking snakes?

[lawsie100]

Yevgenii wrote...

Guiomar wrote...

Actually in all of history religion (or at least cristian religion) is against scientific progress and is still happening today...

I'd like to see the commandment or verse that sais "Thou shalt not make toaster"

stem cell research is the most recent outcry.  Many others that could help and advance humans are held back by religion.

[Kimberly Shaw]

Fair enough, I can agree with you about organized religion. I am not sure if the universe was formed by chance, a Judeo-Christian God, or the flying spaghetti monster. Its fascinating to think there was nothing at all but an empty vacuum and suddenly something as infinitely large as our universe bursting out of this nothingness. Could it happen again? I wish scientists would figure all this out for us before our time is up.

[Wintermist]

Religion doesn't rule out science, and to think it does would just be crazy.

[LichtVonWahrheit]

LadyRae9 wrote...

I have absolutely no doubts as to the existence of God. I also believe in science. I consider myself to be a Christian Scientist in the truest sense of the term - not as it is used, but as someone who follows both.

Indeed, a god may exist, prehaps it just set everything in motion and left natural processes create everything we know. Or, there is no god, and the universe has always existed, going through a cycle, such as the big crunch/big bounce.

No one can currently, truthfully claim to KNOW if a god does or does not exist. But people can and do claim to believe or disbelieve in a god. I'm fine with other believing as they will. I take issue when people blindly follow religion, literalists for example. It requires no thinking, no free will, as they simply follow the book to the letter. I also am bothered when people see fit to force their religion on others. You can disprove of what others do, but you have no right to force others to follow your religions beliefs.

Most of all, why is your god better or right compared to others' gods? Why are your laws better than others' laws? Most people of a religion don't believe in everyone else's gods, atheists simply disbelieve in one more god.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I'm not talking about organized religion. I wholeheartedly agree that organized religion is the worst enemy of religion itself and everyone else. I do, however, believe that if you think the universe was made by chance, you are either naive or pretty dilusional, or maybe not taking your meds. Why do you think that the field of physics has the highest convert ratio? There was a study done that estimates the chances of our world being created by randomness. What did they find? It was zero

You know nothing about science.

If anything can happen, it WILL happen - over an infinite timespan. (Edit:Timespan not lifespan)

Link to this study? Bet there is none, like all religious people you are imagining things.

Even if you link it, i bet it is done BY religious people (Biased and therefore useless) and probarly also wrong.

Typical human arrogance to believe we are more than we are.

Modifié par SomeoneStoleMyName, 26 novembre 2009 - 10:47 .

[Haasth]

Jensonagain wrote...

Also we should have the option of destroying the mages collective for abandoing the chantry. These mages don't realize their power and why the chantry & templars are needed.

I have so many lines ready for this from a lore-standpoint. Because my Mage would definitely agree with you. On so many levels. You damn addicts!

[Aezay]

Just think where we could have been today

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[Suron]

Yevgenii wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Nope.

In game the blessings do nothing, much like everywhere else.

Quoted for truth.

Just because youre athiest trash doesn't mean you have to push it on other people. Its funny, when religious people try to advance religion, its a horrible thing. When athiests try to advance athiesm, its all good.

I"m not saying what I believe because either side raises too many questions...HOWEVER..

I don't recall atheist "trash" starting wars, killing people, etc in the name of their cause.

more people have been killed in the name of "god" then for any other reason....so..yah.  let's not act all high and mighty...or do you condone burning someone at a stake for having a different belief then yours? (as just one in millions of an example)

[phordicus]

the chantry does a decent job of keeping the homeless out of the way.

[Yevgenii]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I'm not talking about organized religion. I wholeheartedly agree that organized religion is the worst enemy of religion itself and everyone else. I do, however, believe that if you think the universe was made by chance, you are either naive or pretty dilusional, or maybe not taking your meds. Why do you think that the field of physics has the highest convert ratio? There was a study done that estimates the chances of our world being created by randomness. What did they find? It was zero

You know nothing about science.

If anything can happen, it WILL happen - over an infinite timespan. (Edit:Timespan not lifespan)

Link to this study? Bet there is none, like all religious people you are imagining things.

Even if you link it, i bet it is done BY religious people (Biased and therefore useless) and probarly also wrong.

Typical human arrogance to believe we are more than we are.

http://www.doesgodex...verseBegin.html <- Quick quote from the article, " As we have examined, there is absolutely no chance that the universe was created by chance" It explains the same idea, although the article I read is from Scientific American, so no bias there bud. It explains many singular occurences that have such a nearly infinitesmal chance of occuring, that for ALL of them to happen is - here it is - impossible.

What does this mean? That for life to have happened, there was a hand involved in making it. There have been many such studies done, look them up if you want. This is an example of science essentially proving religion.

Modifié par Yevgenii, 26 novembre 2009 - 11:57 .

[Fates end]

Uh guys...fail more? This isn't about real-life religion, leave it out of the thread. Seems the OP's question has been answered.

[Ignus Burns]

Lol. It looks like a child wrote that article. Seriously, some people shouldn't pretend to be scientists. Where are all the references for example?



I'm not saying that you are wrong, not entering that debate =)

but that article was laughable.

[Kevin Lynch]

Yep, y'all need to cut out the off-topic religion chatter and focus on DA:O. Now, just to decide if this is spoilerish enough to move....

[Yevgenii]

Ignus Burns wrote...

Lol. It looks like a child wrote that article. Seriously, some people shouldn't pretend to be scientists. Where are all the references for example?

I'm not saying that you are wrong, not entering that debate =)
but that article was laughable.

Haha.. did you even read it? He uses illustrations, but it is a graduate-level thesis. Again, if you dont believe it search for the Scientific American article with the same idea. It says the same things. So do about 100 other articles. The truth is there, whether you blind yourself because you have the reading ability of a 6th grader is up to you.

[Wolfva2]

If you REALLY want to know what blessings do, speak with the revered mother in Redcliffe at length. She explains the actual effects of a blessing.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

I love how off topic this thread has become so suddenly!

The terrors inflicted upon the world in the name of religion are vastly greater than those brought about by aetheists, Yevgenii.

As for history's greatest scientists being religous, religion and science are not mutually exclusive concepts; however I would argue that its more a result of the era these scientist lived in with pervasive religion crammed down their throats from birth rather than a result of their keen minds deciding that God created the world 6,000 years ago.

Ah, over the past 100 years atheist tyrants (Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ect) murdered over 250 million people. Far more than all other religions (yes, atheism is a religion) in the world combined for all of known history.

Also, the laws of thermodynamics indicate that something can't come into beig from absolute nothing without a cause and that the univere can't be eternal. There had to be a cause that was not caused that produced the universe. A self-existant cause. God.

As for religion "being crammed down their throat", you have no evidnce those scientists were forced into Christianity. Indeed, Christianity is a matter of the heart and one can't be forced to be a Christian. However, without a doubt atheist nations, such as the old USSR, certainly brainwashed children into atheism.

Oh, also, that Bible certainly does not say the world was created in 6000 years.

Science certainly does not support atheism. Quite the opposite. There is no evidece at  all that God does not exist while there is evidence that the universe needed an uncaused self-existant cause to come into being.

Now, if you atheists would like to get back on topic and discuss the game please.

Now, I have not compled the game. But some characters in the game are devoutly religious and some are not. Just like in the real world. I am a bit suprised that blessings have no effect in the game.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:23 .

[supakillaii]

Drake Sigar wrote...

The blessings, they do nothing! Where is your maker now?

Fixed :3