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[Myzzrimm]

Yevgenii wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I'm not talking about organized religion. I wholeheartedly agree that organized religion is the worst enemy of religion itself and everyone else. I do, however, believe that if you think the universe was made by chance, you are either naive or pretty dilusional, or maybe not taking your meds. Why do you think that the field of physics has the highest convert ratio? There was a study done that estimates the chances of our world being created by randomness. What did they find? It was zero

You know nothing about science.

If anything can happen, it WILL happen - over an infinite timespan. (Edit:Timespan not lifespan)

Link to this study? Bet there is none, like all religious people you are imagining things.

Even if you link it, i bet it is done BY religious people (Biased and therefore useless) and probarly also wrong.

Typical human arrogance to believe we are more than we are.

http://www.doesgodex...verseBegin.html <- Quick quote from the article, " As we have examined, there is absolutely no chance that the universe was created by chance" It explains the same idea, although the article I read is from Scientific American, so no bias there bud. It explains many singular occurences that have such a nearly infinitesmal chance of occuring, that for ALL of them to happen is - here it is - impossible.

What does this mean? That for life to have happened, there was a hand involved in making it. There have been many such studies done, look them up if you want. This is an example of science essentially proving religion.

Out of curiosity, how does it make any more sense that out of nothing an uberpowerful wizard, for all intents and purposes, is created? I give the chance pretty equal.

Modifié par Myzzrimm, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:04 .

[The Demonologist]

 Cease this off topicness and religious hate.

funny thing is, Atheism is infact a religion. One "Against God" as it literally means. That said, back the hell off. As an Atheist myself, I respect other people's rights to believe what they want to believe. The minute you begin to believe that what you say is more valid and should be shoved down the throats of others, you become that which you apparently despise most.

That said, as an atheist myself, jeez. Stop picking fights my fellow atheists, you make the rest of us look bad. Or like unreasonably hateful people. Either way, its not good. <_<

[Myzzrimm]

The Demonologist wrote...

 Cease this off topicness and religious hate.

funny thing is, Atheism is infact a religion. One "Against God" as it literally means. That said, back the hell off. As an Atheist myself, I respect other people's rights to believe what they want to believe. The minute you begin to believe that what you say is more valid and should be shoved down the throats of others, you become that which you apparently despise most.

That said, as an atheist myself, jeez. Stop picking fights my fellow atheists, you make the rest of us look bad. Or like unreasonably hateful people. Either way, its not good. <_<

Wrong. Against god? Maybe if you're a militant atheist. Theist = god believer(any god) Atheist = disbelief in a god. Lack thereof. Otherwise, I mostly agree.

[Aeto Alessos]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
the game

Oh, you tricky christian you!

[Majspuffen]

Bibdy wrote...

That depends how faithful you are, doesn't it.

Hahaha, got me right away. Epic reply.

On topic, got nothing to contribute with. Sorry.

[Elanareon]

And what would be the chance that an all-powerful all-knowing "Maker" created THEDAS? Loot it here, IF the maker did exist, who made him? Is it by chance that he just popped out of nowhere and started creating THEDAS? If you say that he doesn't need to be made because he is the start and beginning, well that's just equivalent of saying its not possible that THEDAS was not made by chance. I say we were made by PROTHEANS!!!

[Original182]

Drake Sigar wrote...

The blessings, they do nothing! Where is your god now?

Urn of Andraste's Ashes indicates otherwise. This shows that only the truly devout follower of the Maker like Andraste can grant blessings, so powerful that even her mere ashes can cure Arl Eamon of a disease that magic failed to.

As for the OP, personally no, the blessings don't give you any stats. I'm sure it's purely from a game balance point of view and isn't trying to insinuate it's useless. Too bad some people here bought it.

[ne12o]

mathewgurney wrote...

The "funny" thing is.

When atheists try to advance atheism it's all good because at best it usually results in the advancement of real-world science, clarity of thought and universal understanding of tangible truths and at worst is mildly insulting in a verbal way.

while...

When religious people people try to advance religion it's a horrible thing because at best it involves brainwashing, enforced conformity and stifling of expression and at worst it usually involves thumbscrews, boiling oil, meathooks, fire and ropes.

Lolz

That's all i'm saying, i don't like to argue with the insane, it's un-productive to say the least.

and yet the church was the driving force behind the renaissance and enlightment in europe... hmmmm

and yet all the so called "Atheists" are actually participating in the "anti-religion religion".
And Athetist is not anti-religion, simply disbelief in a god....

the age gate dosnt seem to be doing its job, since the more I read this forum, the more it seems like 12 year old boys who just found the internet and think anti-religion and 4chan are cool.

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

The terrors inflicted upon the world in the name of religion are vastly greater than those brought about by aetheists, Yevgenii.

Oh yeah, the crusades were totally religiously charged... contrary to the essense if your statement, which suggets religion was the driving force between so called "henious" events in history,
the statement would be more accurate said "Using the name of religion to persure their politically motivated deicions."

Modifié par ne12o, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:44 .

[deathwing200]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...


Ah, over the past 100 years atheist tyrants (Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ect) murdered over 250 million people. Far more than all other religions (yes, atheism is a religion) in the world combined for all of known history.

So? It doesn't diminish the fact that religion is doing more harm than good, even now. I remember reading a poll where more than 45% of Americans said that they won't vote for an atheist president. Talk about imaginary friends clouding over realism.

Also, the laws of thermodynamics indicate that something can't come into beig from absolute nothing without a cause and that the univere can't be eternal. There had to be a cause that was not caused that produced the universe. A self-existant cause. God.

Then who made god? Is there a being more powerful than god. Can god create more gods? By your own logic God isn't eternal or all powerful. Doesn't sound very godly to me.

As for religion "being crammed down their throat", you have no evidnce those scientists were forced into Christianity. Indeed, Christianity is a matter of the heart and one can't be forced to be a Christian. However, without a doubt atheist nations, such as the old USSR, certainly brainwashed children into atheism.

Plenty of people have religion forced down their throat. In the past it was with violence. In the present it's with fear (Be bad and go to hell!). You'd have to be really stupid to be suckered into these money sucking cults, but most people are.

Oh, also, that Bible certainly does not say the world was created in 6000 years.

Try reading Genesis. It may not mention specifically how old the Earth is, but it describes the creation process itself. It'a laughable. Like a children's tale. Yes, God thought light was good and it happened. Christian science at its finest.

Science certainly does not support atheism. Quite the opposite. There is no evidece at  all that God does not exist while there is evidence that the universe needed an uncaused self-existant cause to come into being.

The burden of proof lies with the religious to prove the existence of their God. One does not try to do it by discrediting theory of evolution, Darwinism, etc. It's obvious to me that you're a fanatic, who will never change his views, even though it's pathetic

Modifié par deathwing200, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:44 .

[ne12o]

deathwing200 wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...


Ah, over the past 100 years atheist tyrants (Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ect) murdered over 250 million people. Far more than all other religions (yes, atheism is a religion) in the world combined for all of known history.

So? It doesn't diminish the fact that religion is doing more harm than good, even now. I remember reading a poll where more than 45% of Americans said that they won't vote for an atheist president. Talk about imaginary friends clouding over realism.

Also, the laws of thermodynamics indicate that something can't come into beig from absolute nothing without a cause and that the univere can't be eternal. There had to be a cause that was not caused that produced the universe. A self-existant cause. God.

Then who made god? Is there a being more powerful than god. Can god create more gods? By your own logic God isn't eternal or all powerful. Doesn't sound very godly to me.

As for religion "being crammed down their throat", you have no evidnce those scientists were forced into Christianity. Indeed, Christianity is a matter of the heart and one can't be forced to be a Christian. However, without a doubt atheist nations, such as the old USSR, certainly brainwashed children into atheism.

Plenty of people have religion forced down their throat. In the past it was with violence. In the present it's with fear (Be bad and go to hell!). You'd have to be really stupid to be suckered into these money sucking cults, but most people are.

Oh, also, that Bible certainly does not say the world was created in 6000 years.

Try reading Genesis. It may not mention specifically how old the Earth is, but it describes the creation process itself. It'a laughable. Like a children's tale. Yes, God thought light was good and it happened. Christian science at its finest.

Science certainly does not support atheism. Quite the opposite. There is no evidece at  all that God does not exist while there is evidence that the universe needed an uncaused self-existant cause to come into being.

The burden of proof lies with the religious to prove the existence of their God. One does not try to do it by discrediting theory of evolution, Darwinism, etc. It's obvious to me that you're a fanatic, who will never change his views, even though it's pathetic

And idiots like you don't take religion for what it is. Human devellopment. A Social Science.
First traces of standardizing morlity and ethics into society.
Bible? One of the greatest literary works of mankind (whether you believe its contents or not)

Modifié par ne12o, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:48 .

[LovelyMover]

Well no I don't think the blessing do anything, other than a short cut scene.



So you're all talking about religion...Anyone been called a **** yet?

[LovelyMover]

lol, well that's put paid to Godwin's Law...No fair Bioware!

[Naminator236]

They waste your time. And I think I got -3 with Morrigan once, when I asked for a blessing.

[bibgar]

Human nature...

A bit like the Chantry and the Mages in game, one for religion and one for magic (the equivalent of our science?). What happens? Oppression and control, opposition and rebellion. Whenever two polar opinions come into contact with each other we have conflict, rational debate flies out the window and any hope of mutual agreement is dashed.

The dwarves and Dalish must shake their heads in wonder and confusion at these nutty humans. Personally, I'm with them.

Modifié par bibgar, 27 novembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[Le_Mieux]

lawsie100 wrote...

Yevgenii wrote...

Guiomar wrote...

Actually in all of history religion (or at least cristian religion) is against scientific progress and is still happening today...

I'd like to see the commandment or verse that sais "Thou shalt not make toaster"

stem cell research is the most recent outcry.  Many others that could help and advance humans are held back by religion.

Actually that is more of a morality crisis, rather than a religous one.  Sort of like a, "How long before we are harvesting clones?" thing.

[Gecon]

It gives you a +1 to roleplaying your character every time you do it.

[Gecon]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

[...] Take your disdain for religion to a different forum please.

This. And personally I'm not interested in discussing religion with atheists in the first place. Its no fun to listen to pure arrogance.

[Gecon]

That was more ignorance than arrogance, though.

Stupidity is indeed quite rampant amongst religious people, and dont get me started on the things religious people do. Like Moslems killing people who have turned atheist.

Thats all true, but its still no fun to listen to pure arrogance, which is what many atheists do when talking about religion on the internet.

Modifié par Gecon, 27 novembre 2009 - 09:43 .

[Red-Cell]

FalloutBoy wrote...

The designers created a world where religion is realistic, rather than the way D&D handles it. Blessings do nothing. No holy clerics running around with god-granted powers. No tangible proof of dieties of any kind. But still lots of people who worship faithfully.

whoa whoa slow your roll

Andrastes ashes saved someone from death!

That's pretty tangible.

[Le_Mieux]

Red-Cell wrote...

FalloutBoy wrote...

The designers created a world where religion is realistic, rather than the way D&D handles it. Blessings do nothing. No holy clerics running around with god-granted powers. No tangible proof of dieties of any kind. But still lots of people who worship faithfully.

whoa whoa slow your roll

Andrastes ashes saved someone from death!

That's pretty tangible.

Yeah, holy relics that do more than sit in a holy museum are not so realistic.

But otherwise, he's pretty on the mark.

[Dr. Scarabus]

ne12o wrote...

and yet the church was the driving force behind the renaissance and enlightment in europe... hmmmm

Wait... what?

You mean the same church that had Galileo tried for heresy by the Inquisition on the grounds of his support for Copernicus' Heliocentric system?

You mean the same church that had William Tyndale burned at the stake for the grave sin of printing the Bible in English?

You mean the same church that published the Malleus Maleficarum, the instrument by which thousands of people were tortured and executed for supposedly being witches?

I could go on. The entire reason why the Age of Enlightenment is called such is because it is the triumph of reason over superstition. I strongly suggest you read some non-apologist history books.    

Modifié par Dr. Scarabus, 27 novembre 2009 - 10:01 .

[Ignus Burns]

Yevgenii wrote...

Haha.. did you even read it? He uses illustrations, but it is a graduate-level thesis. Again, if you dont believe it search for the Scientific American article with the same idea. It says the same things. So do about 100 other articles. The truth is there, whether you blind yourself because you have the reading ability of a 6th grader is up to you.

Actually, it's the 6th grader that doesn't understand why to use references. There is no point in reading the thesis in-depth if there isn't any easy way to chech the sources. And no, I can't be bothered to look for more articles like this one since I honestly don't care that much if the universe was created by something or by chance, it has absolutly no effect on my life. Crazy, I know!