102 réponses à ce sujet

[ediskrad327]

The PLC wrote...

They don't explain that in the game? Not even a comment from Anderson? Sucks for those who haven't read the books.

it is explained in the codex

[Nashiktal]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Not a bug.

/trollface

We establshed that a while ago.

[HBC Dresden]

Tezlaa wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

That's not how the Roman Republic & Empire worked. Politicians were not only military men, but also orators and writers. A diferent time...

Politics were alot more straightforward back then than they are in the ME universe. Less paperwork and formalities. Which Anderson, a military man clearly could not be bothered with.

Fair enough.

[Femlob]

Ah, it has started.

Waking up tomorrow is going to be like Christmas morning, only with seething hatred instead of presents.

[netleopard54]

Mr.House wrote...

He never in fact stepped down. In the book, he was Udinas assistant then quits that job. He never stepped down. It's an unexplained thing that just proves that choices don't matter in ME.

I don't think One choice being taken out of your control for story purposes proves that choices don't matter.  I would need alot more instances before I believed that.  (Like the numerous examples in DA2)

I also think the Choice did have an effect in ME2.  So are you saying the choice doesn't matter becuase it's not reflected in ME3?

I also think that It's a bit much for us to expect every person in the ME universe to adhear to our choices, The writers should keep the characters true to themselves.  While we get to choose how shepard react's to stimuli, we don't get to say how the other characters will react.  (even if we want too)

Chris Priestly wrote...

Have you been reading the Mass
Effect novels or the Mass Effect comics from Dark Horse? If not, you are
missing out on KEY information all Mass Effect fans should know.
Fortunately, Newsarama.com now has a list of the 10 facts Mass Effect fans must know from the comics and novels. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I think the Facts are worth looking into for hardcore fans, who don't necessarily read the books (which I'm guilty of).

as for the alliance impounding the normandy I would read the following comic, it introduces James Vega and also goes over what happens to the normandy and shepard after arrival DLC (briefly) biowarefans.com/2011/09/mass-effect-conviction-is-free/

Have Fun Gaming

Cheers!

Modifié par netleopard54, 05 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Nashiktal]

@Netleapord, I disagree. I'm tired, very tired, so I don't think I am going to write up a counter post.

But I disagree. I believe anderson should have stayed where he was, as given what we know of him he puts his duty above all, and given the respect he has for shepherd you would have thought he would have at least stuck around for him.

Now the fate of humanity lies in the hands of udina. Thanks anderson. You are a dick, and I hate how auto dialogue makes me friends with you despite this. Also thanks for sticking around on earth, you know where all the military is shattered? Its not like we could have used a veteran out there in the galaxy.

I'm very tired.

[wijse]

Sad excuse to milk the cow. We should not be forced to go to other medias(books, comics etc) to find out what has happened in our video games. I expect consistency and that our choices mattered. Have anderson tell you ingame when and why he stepped down instead of this bs.

Modifié par wijse, 05 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[JerZey CJ]

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

George. Washington.

[Nashiktal]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

George. Washington.

to be fair, George Washington was a terrible military man.

[Merchant2006]

Anderson officially stepped down.

Udina takes his place. To be honest sure, having Anderson as a choice would be nice but he never really does seem like the political type, does he? He even says he's more a man of action and if you read through ME:Revelation & Retribution, and if you pay attention to what he says in ME2 he pretty much admits he really doesn't like it.

It's good he stepped down. Being an Admiral is what he is, not a politician.

[netleopard54]

Nashiktal wrote...

@Netleapord, I disagree. I'm tired, very tired, so I don't think I am going to write up a counter post.

But
I disagree. I believe anderson should have stayed where he was, as
given what we know of him he puts his duty above all, and given the
respect he has for shepherd you would have thought he would have at
least stuck around for him.

Now the fate of humanity lies in the
hands of udina. Thanks anderson. You are a dick, and I hate how auto
dialogue makes me friends with you despite this. Also thanks for
sticking around on earth, you know where all the military is shattered?
Its not like we could have used a veteran out there in the galaxy.

I'm very tired.

You are entitled to your Opinion.  I cannot really argue with an opinion becuase I think everyone is entitled to one.  I don't feel as strongly about this issue, which I'm sure affects my opinion.

wijse wrote...

Sad excuse to milk the cow. We should not be forced to go to other medias(books, comics etc) to find out what has happened in our video games. I expect consistency and that our choices mattered. Have anderson tell you ingame when and why he stepped down instead of this bs.

while I can agree with you, In today's market, good IP's are involved in cross platforms and if you want all the Juicy details you have to interact with different mediums.  Doesn't necessarily make it right, but does make it reality. 

I can also understand from the companies point, if they don't make money, they cannot warrent Million dollar projects like ME3.  (I still think EA bean counters go to far in this respect).

Cheers!

[JerZey CJ]

Nashiktal wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

George. Washington.

to be fair, George Washington was a terrible military man.

Good point, didn't he only win like 2/10 battles?
But to also be fair, he was going against one of the strongest militaries at the time with a bunch of rag-tag militia soldiers.

[Nashiktal]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

George. Washington.

to be fair, George Washington was a terrible military man.

Good point, didn't he only win like 2/10 battles?
But to also be fair, he was going against one of the strongest militaries at the time with a bunch of rag-tag militia soldiers.

Nah Gearge had some competent soldiers under him too. He was just a terrible commander. Other officers and leaders picked up the slack.

George was better as a symbol. and even better as a president or beaurocrat. Not much for the military though.

[outmane]

MythicLegands wrote...

something, something, choice don't matter, something.

Maybe you dont like how things develop after your choice, but that doesnt mean you didnt have a choice. Your Shepard asked Anderson to give a try at politics. He did and he hated it. so he stepped out. All your Shepard did is asked him to take the role. You cant control the outcome and suddently turn a military man into an effective politic man. Thats just not who Anderson is.

Choice: You chose to put an uneffective but moraly sound character on the council (and so did I, i hate Udina)
Outcome: Earth had a 'weak' position on the Council.  You had a friend on the Council. That idealist character got f*** by the other one 
So your choice did happen, it just didnt payoff the way you hoped.

[jrubal1462]

I like how Bioware mostly stays true to the established canon, without letting it constrict their artistic freedom too much. Like for the heat sinks, they thought it would be a better game with clips, so they throw something in the codex, do a little hand-waving, and boom, weapon reloads. As long as they don't abuse it I think that's way better than being trapped in their own fiction, forcing frequent parallel universes or star trek-esque reboots.

[DiegoProgMetal]

Nashiktal wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

George. Washington.

to be fair, George Washington was a terrible military man.

Eisenhower?

[Nashiktal]

jrubal1462 wrote...

I like how Bioware mostly stays true to the established canon, without letting it constrict their artistic freedom too much. Like for the heat sinks, they thought it would be a better game with clips, so they throw something in the codex, do a little hand-waving, and boom, weapon reloads. As long as they don't abuse it I think that's way better than being trapped in their own fiction, forcing frequent parallel universes or star trek-esque reboots.

Then why offer the choice? Why make that choice hidden in a book, without telling us as such? Very confusing, rather upsetting and tiring.

[joriandrake]

Tezlaa wrote...

9erzo9 wrote...

What the hell D:
I didn't read the books.

But this makes it even more an outrage.

What good was my choice for then... :/

It was good for nothing. Putting a military man in a political position is never a good idea. They aren't qualified for the job.

as if most politicians (and especially Udina) are :happy:

[DaJe]

So wait...the game doesn't actually mention this?

[tasca1180]

I don't so much mind Udina being chancelor, but there better be an explanation in the game itself. Someone telling us "well, your fault for not reading the books" is not good enough.

Assuming that everyone spent the time and money reading the books and comics is conceited. At least have someone say, "oh, that's problably why anderson stepped down".

[wijse]

You want to know the ending of Mass Effect 3? Buy the book! and the comic! Want graphical options in the game? 20$ dlc and for 5$ extra you can watch the game play itself!

Modifié par wijse, 05 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

ebevan91 wrote...

Didn't Anderson step down?

Anderson stepped down. Udina took his place and dyed his hair black, apparently.

"Udina dying Anderson´s hair black"

WTF?

Why yes, absolutely!

Don't you know that Udina used to be a hair-dresser before his political career? It's cannon.

[cipher86]

People need to quit being babies. This game gives you choices for immediate consequences but the major story is pre-determined by Bioware. If they wrote a different story based on every different set of decisions players could make, this game would never come out.

[tasca1180]

cipher86 wrote...

People need to quit being babies. This game gives you choices for immediate consequences but the major story is pre-determined by Bioware. If they wrote a different story based on every different set of decisions players could make, this game would never come out.

True, but then they simply shouldn't give us the option to chose in the first place. Simple.