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[Hexxys]

 Regarding ME3's less-than-stellar ending.  This is a repost of the thread that was originally in the gameplay forum.  The mod suggested that this thread be moved here.


First!  Some background, in case you aren't familiar with the five stages of grief!

Stage 1:  Denial


"LOL get out of town, Bioware would never do this!  Obvious troll is obvious."

You don't want to believe what you're hearing, so you try to convince yourself that what you're hearing is bullcrap.  Eventually, of course, you begin to second guess yourself.  As the details become more vivid, this stage quickly morphs into:

Stage 2:  Anger


"OH MY GOD THEY DID DO IT, FUUUUUUUUUUU--"

Outraged and betrayed, you curse the Gods for your misfortune.  Depending on the circumstance, chairs may be broken and a new monitor may be necessary.  Once the rage subsides, you realize your anger has changed nothing.  You quickly change your strategy to:

Stage 3:  Bargaining


"Please sweet baby James, let there be an alternate ending DLC.  If we're lucky, maybe it will even be made canon!!  Please Bioware, I'll pay you."

You quell your anger enough to beg the Gods you were cursing mere minutes ago for a more agreeable solution.  You wait and you wait, and nothing happens.  With your prayers unanswered, you fall into a state of catatonic _____:


Stage 4:  Depression


"They're not listening.  Sweet baby James has forsaken me.  Bioware has forsaken me.  Why did Sovereign need to interface with Citadel directly if Guardian lives there?!  ARGH!  They don't even care what their egregious plot holes and terrible plot devices are doing to me."

You begin to realize your struggles are in vain.  You are powerless to change what has transpired--  a stinging reminder of your own mortality!  EA's profit soars higher as you sink lower, until...

Stage 5:  Acceptance


Bioware:  "We think players, you included, actually like how we handled the end.  Thank you for playing!"
You:  "Okay"

Bridges have been burned, galaxies have been destroyed.  Realizing that things will never be the same, you press on nonetheless.  You're all the wiser for the next time.  Perhaps you'll try talking with your money next time.  But probably not.


SO!  Which stage are YOU currently at?

Modifié par Hexxys, 11 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Stage 5, but actually not in any grief and satisfied with the endings. To reply to Ryuuken117 from gameplay forum thread before lock:

Ryuuken117 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

But that's not the case here. This is more like I opening up the last page of the final novel of a series you have been emotionally invested in and saw that the hero was fading, looking at beautiful leaves blowing in the wind as he drew his last breath, then getting angry/depressed he dies. Maybe since you already invested so much time in the series, you should actually read the book from page 1 or page 456ish before making a final judgement.

Even if somoene tells me the whole story of a novel or film I will still watch it incase there's things someone missed, or because they didn't get it (that happens alot). I don't know how many times someone has given me a story rundown, I read/watch the book/movie, then have to give them a rundown of what actually happened or the meaning of x, y and z.

You think that this is about Shepard dying? I couldn't give less of a crap about Shepard. This is about having NONE OF MY CHOICES MATTER. This is about one of the worst twists in video game history. This is about the game company selling cards that literally allow people to bypass PLAYING THE GAME just so they can play multiplayer in a series that never had that feature - in a series in which its addition delayed the release of the game by MONTHS and occupying time better spent on tightening the gameplay and smoothing out the glaring plot holes.

Actually I was just reading another thread where it does actually seem like choices matter (especially with things like Geth-Quarian peace). They may not matter so much at the very end (save for war assets effecting the success of getting to the certain endings), but they do have effect. One of worst twist in the history of gaming? Not even close if you can even call the endings a twist. We all knew something like what is available was coming down the tubes. What people didn't expect was the apparent fate of main characters across the board. The MP is a bad argument and is old and stale, especially since if ME3 is as bad as many are assuming, it will be the games saving grace. There are many reasons why MP, developed by the new MP dev team in Montreal really has no effect on the SP and if anything, gave the SP devs in Edmonton more time and resources (sharing meshes, map pieces, code etc.) to work on Mass Effect 3. I'm not going to go into the details of course since it's not the purpose of this thread.

It's obvious you're upset and whatever I saw will probably not calm your current feelings about the game. However, like all anger it fades in time and it probably won't be a big deal to you a couple weeks from now.


I say rage as much or as little as you want (I suggest the latter), play the game if you bought it already, see if your opinion of the game holds up after doing a playthrough yourself, and then spend time and energy blowing off steam when you know 100% that it's all valid.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 06 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Whiteshiro]

i love the game!!!!!!!!

[Ryuuken117]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Stage 5, but actually not in any grief and satisfied with the endings. To reply to Ryuuken117 from gameplay forum thread before lock:

Actually I was just reading another thread where it does actually seem like choices matter (especially with things like Geth-Quarian peace). They may not matter so much at the very end (save for war assets effecting the success of getting to the certain endings), but they do have effect. One of worst twist in the history of gaming? Not even close if you can even call the endings a twist. We all knew something like what is available was coming down the tubes. What people didn't expect was the apparent fate of main characters across the board. The MP is a bad argument and is old and stale, especially since if ME3 is as bad as many are assuming, it will be the games saving grace. There are many reasons why MP, developed by the new MP dev team in Montreal really has no effect on the SP and if anything, gave the SP devs in Edmonton more time and resources (sharing meshes, map pieces, code etc.) to work on Mass Effect 3. I'm not going to go into the details of course since it's not the purpose of this thread.

It's obvious you're upset and whatever I saw will probably not calm your current feelings about the game. However, like all anger it fades in time and it probably won't be a big deal to you a couple weeks from now.


I say rage as much or as little as you want (I suggest the latter), play the game if you bought it already, see if your opinion of the game holds up after doing a playthrough yourself, and then spend time and energy blowing off steam when you know 100% that it's all valid.

I'm not talking about the choices in ME3, although the fact that even those don't matter much at the end doesn't help either. I'm talking about my choices up until now, and how they're completely irrelevent. Killed the rachni queen? Lol, Reapers get another. Put Anderson on the Council? Lol, too bad, he quit. Destroyed the Collector Base? Lol, Cerberus gets indoctrinated anyway. I might as well not have played any of the other games, and for someone who's bought two copies of each game and played through each version twice, it's absolutely infuriating.

And the twist is saying that the Reapers are the WELL-INTENTIONED EXTREMISTS who are just trying to PRESERVE ORGANIC LIFE because ORGANIC LIFE ALWAYS CREATES SYNTHETICS TO DESTROY ORGANIC LIFE. How in the hell does that make sense? It contradicts everything we've seen up until this point, and even if it didn't, it's still a monumentally stupid motivation for what was a great race of villains up until this point.

[Balek-Vriege]

Ryuuken117 wrote...

And the twist is saying that the Reapers are the WELL-INTENTIONED EXTREMISTS who are just trying to PRESERVE ORGANIC LIFE because ORGANIC LIFE ALWAYS CREATES SYNTHETICS TO DESTROY ORGANIC LIFE. How in the hell does that make sense? It contradicts everything we've seen up until this point, and even if it didn't, it's still a monumentally stupid motivation for what was a great race of villains up until this point.

I don't want to derail this thread with other debates, but you should look up technological singularity through google, wikipedia or even here on BSN.  It's explained quite well and why it's a real, logical and a nearly assured thing (both in reality and ME3).  Again, it's for you to decide (even ingame if its a real thing), but the type of scifi I like usually involves over arching themes like time paradox, technological singularity, spiriutality, divinity etc etc.

[Dresden867]

Does "disinterest" count? I figure I'll have an opinion on the endings if and when I get that far.

[Spaceguy5]

I'm just pretending that the last 10min or so of the game isn't canon When I actually get that far, I'll just insert my own dialogue mentally. So far I'm at least enjoying the canon part of the game. /wishfulThinking

Modifié par Spaceguy5, 06 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[DiegoProgMetal]

Well, I'm at a mix of 4 and 5, but I still have that last drop of hope that this is all a BW marketing strategy to make us think we can't defeat the Reapers after all, I mean, fell like we can't have a not-so-bad outcome at least, so we feel like the characters would feel in game. I know... It's pure denial... But what can I do... In my state we say something like "While you're still fighting, it means you're still alive", (even if all the odds are against you).
Hope. Just that.

[AlexMBrennan]

Stage 5 - I've accepted that Bioware screwed up (blatant deus ex machina, premise that undermines the entire series, contrived and pointless character deaths - Normandy crew are dead for all intents and purposes, quarians are at peace with the geth but stuck in Sol and thus doomed to death by starvation), and that thing's aren't going to change.

So I'll remember the good stuff about the fandom (I'm already pretending that large parts of ME2 didn't happen so this shouldn't be too difficult), keep my copy of ME1 around and play Modern Warfare in the meantime.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 07 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Utrabob]

im still stick in stage 1, i love almost everything about the game, right up to the end, the choices even seem decent, (the destroy reapers / mass relays or control them anyway) what i dident understand is why it destroys all tech, thats kinda anti-climatic dont you think, not to mention the end cinematic, i know a good story is meant to leave the audience wanting more, but forcing it on them like this is a little... cruel.

Also why would this ancient almost all knowing hyper advance AI, let a random organic make the choice, why not simply order the reapers to stop and allow life to continue, just because the race that created it almost destroyed everything dosent mean the next race will.

I understand everything in the game thanks to playing / reading all things ME, with the exception of this ending, and i was one of those few who understood the matrix series on my first viewing lol so complex stories arnt something that normally phase me.

[Karrie788]

Stage 5. Plus, headcanon.

[Savber100]

I'm more content than anything else.

Is it perfect? No.

But is it great and fun to play? Yes.

That said, someone should go pester Mac Walters on these plotholes. I'm curious to hear what he has to say.

[Sashimi_taco]

Dresden867 wrote...

Does "disinterest" count? I figure I'll have an opinion on the endings if and when I get that far.

It depends on what you want out of the ending. The endings do not cover all the desires of the fan base, they mostly just reflect the desire of one small part of it. 

[Sargerus]

I'm at Stage 6: laughing at all the over-emotional drama queens that seem to popular this site.

[The_Other_M]

Constantly hopping between Stage 2:Anger & Stage 5:Acceptance.
I'm pissed that I have even fewer choices than before, that ALL my squadmates from ME2 are just glorified cameos, the plotholes, the missed opportunities, etc.etc.

And I've accepted that BioWare wants to kill the franchise for some misbegotten reason, and that this is probably the last Mass Effect game I'll ever buy.

[AlexMBrennan]

Simples: Mass Effect fans will buy the game anyway, so marketing to the action crowd (with all that entails) is a cheap way too boost (short-term) sales (presumably for negotiations about future projects and such)

[chris fenton]

Step 2-4. At the same time. Painfully bad.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

2 and 4. Not going to buy DLCs. What is the point? Unless it's to add in a better ending.

Not going for replays. Or perhaps I'll just play one more time for the dialogues of another LI but will not finish the game. After that, ME3 goes into mothballs. MP is hardly worth my time now. What's the whole point? It doesn't matter in the story. All that effort was for nothing.

[Soulwatcher1974]

2 for me, I am not going to post spoilers. But I was enraged with the Elusive man!

[chris fenton]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

2 and 4. Not going to buy DLCs. What is the point? Unless it's to add in a better ending.

Not going for replays. Or perhaps I'll just play one more time for the dialogues of another LI but will not finish the game. After that, ME3 goes into mothballs. MP is hardly worth my time now. What's the whole point? It doesn't matter in the story. All that effort was for nothing.

That's the problem with these **** endings. I feel the same way. If Bioware wants to gain any respect in this business from the fan base at large out side of this site and their safe zones, they have to man up and offer something else. That, or explain why they gave us the **** they did. 

[loungeshep]

#firstworldproblems

[chris fenton]

loungeshep wrote...

#firstworldproblems

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We're on a website for a video game.

What did you expect?

[Alekhandro]

Seen 2 trolls posting so far, the rest... well im there and havent finished the game yet so i have to ask: Is it even worth it? That dumb comic? The illustration book? A cheap patch I could sew myself... was it realy worth the extra 30 i paid? At this point no, not knowing that they ****ed up so badly with the ending. Sorry **** the romeo and juliet endings. give something better than yurfukedifyoucanreadthis endings. If this is how they are going to do it, i fear for dragon age 3 when that comes out if ever but remember Bioware been the kings of leaving things unanswered for years. KOTRO come to mind guys?

[Hexxys]

Just finished the game tonight. I did everything I could, and had the best possible ending available.

Still stung, and not in a way that does Bioware any credit. Even though the gameplay was great, the ending just takes the wind out of my sails. I replayed ME1 and ME2 a few times directly after my first playthrough on each, using new classes and exploring new options... I just don't see the point with ME3.

/stage4

[Eterna]

I'm indifferent.