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[Hreth]

So who's the most survivable tank? So far I've played mostly with Alistair, and just a little bit with Sten and Shale.

[TheGreenLion]

Any fully specced sword and board warrior is the most survivable, can't flank em, shields add armor and some better ones defense too, though two-hander's Indomitable is awesome as well you'll not be as survivable.

[KalosCast]

Shale

[TheGreenLion]

Shale without strange Dex patch bug ^

[jakasywa]

For the very beginning Shale is best available tank since she can sink a lot of damage before her own death, and she has her great stone-aura (although she is paralysed then) which on the 4th level of tanking-line is very very useful teamwise (imo it is best in-game aura since its' effects cost only in tank's paralysys). After you get some of better gems for her she is quite a tank as well. The main thing about shale is getting taunt asap, doing few blows or threat generating abilities out and then stone-aura.

But as TheGreenLion said before - any sword and board warrior with taunt in good full plate armour and nice shield is best tank endwise. For archdemon I used Alistair in full Juggernaut armor with the shield from Gaxkhan / Duncan story line.

Sten and rest 2-handers are very capable of survivng blows but not tanking - tanking is mainly about avoidance mixed with high hp. (so armor, shield block, shieldwall skill and the rest from sword and board are best for tanking)



Shale for start (or tanking mage parties, though she can easily tank Andraste and Flemeth) Alistair or any other sword-board warrior for late-midgame and lategame.

[rumination888]

Both Alistair in full Blood Dragon armor, and Shale are the most survivable.
Alistair avoids a lot of attacks, but can be grabbed.
Shale is immune to grabs, but has too little avoidance.

[therealmikeg]

A lot of people haven't mentioned how an optimized sword and board tank should be geared.



Blood Dragon armor is not the best tank armor. The templar armor is, but you need the Templar Commander chest piece. Its possible to get your physical and mental resists to 70+ (even 100) and have 100%+ spell resists to each school. To do this, you sacrifice some of your physical damage resistance, but being virtually immune to magic greatly outweighs the extra damage you take from melee and arrows.

[hexaligned]

therealmikeg wrote...

A lot of people haven't mentioned how an optimized sword and board tank should be geared.

Blood Dragon armor is not the best tank armor. The templar armor is, but you need the Templar Commander chest piece. Its possible to get your physical and mental resists to 70+ (even 100) and have 100%+ spell resists to each school. To do this, you sacrifice some of your physical damage resistance, but being virtually immune to magic greatly outweighs the extra damage you take from melee and arrows.

I completely disagree, there is far far far far more "melee and arrow" damage in this game than there is magic, enemy casters are also easily and completely nuetrilized or even one shot if you want to use mana clash or arrow of slaying.  Bosses are all simple tank and spank fights, I always saved up resist gear, but never actually had to use it, Even on nightmare, a Dragons physical attacks are far  more more a threat than their elemental ones.

[rumination888]

Since Alistair is a Templar, Cleanse Area removes most life-threatening spells(specifically Death Hex and Curse of Mortality).
The real danger to shield tanks comes from grab abilities, and the only way to survive that is with raw health or relying on a teammate with CC.
BD armor gives you the highest health(equivelent to 10 constitution) on top of the highest armor in the game.
Not to mention its cheap and you can get the full set early on in the game.

Modifié par rumination888, 26 novembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[therealmikeg]

rumination888 wrote...

Since Alistair is a Templar, Cleanse Area removes most life-threatening spells(specifically Death Hex and Curse of Mortality).
The real danger to shield tanks comes from grab abilities, and the only way to survive that is with raw health or relying on a teammate with CC.
BD armor gives you the highest health(equivelent to 10 constitution) on top of the highest armor in the game.
Not to mention its cheap and you can get the full set early on in the game.

High physical resistance will prevent grab attacks.

[DrekorSilverfang]

Most survivable tank is an AW/BM without question. Easily getting 70+% chance to ignore magic, 50+% evasion, 40+ armor, 120+ defense, 100 mental and physical resists and 75% to all elemental resists(usually 400+ HP too). Your essentially indestructible, and with magic in the 70's a lesser healing poultice will heal massive amounts.

[Sharog]

Aw/Bm is a broken combo though, trivialize all the game contents, when it comes to warrior, dragon blood dragon armor set gets u up to 41 AC with shieldwall without other equipments.

u can get to 43 with Templar Commander armor + Helm of honnleath + Glove of Diligence + boots of diligence, And this particular setup yields 40% all resist and +2 all stats. compare to the blood dragon armor it is way superior in any sense except the 10% extra fatique u end up having. but hej as a tank u just need to spam taunt, so it is not as important to have low fatique.


Hitpoints is irrelevant since u can get Life giver ring which essentially give u  tons of HP, and alistair has constitution bonus from Approval rating, even if u dont put any point in cons u still end up having over 400 hp, since the Heal does not scale in procentage wise it is no use having too much HP as long as u dont die from 1 grab by a dragon.

So in conclusion, definately go for templar commander armor.

Modifié par Sharog, 26 novembre 2009 - 09:52 .

[Zilod]

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Most survivable tank is an AW/BM without question. Easily getting 70+% chance to ignore magic, 50+% evasion, 40+ armor, 120+ defense, 100 mental and physical resists and 75% to all elemental resists(usually 400+ HP too). Your essentially indestructible, and with magic in the 70's a lesser healing poultice will heal massive amounts.

cept that he cant be healed, have not much aggro and is going to kill himself if he cast too much... not to say that it mean to exploit a bug, at that point better to have a normal tank + force field exploit

AW is a war on steroid (expecially exploiting shimmering shield) but doesnt make a good tank


best tank is shield+sword, for anti magic 100% it depends by group, in a group with good anti magic stuff (as mana clash, dispel) is not much needed, if not is quite usefull

about armor blood dragon and massive dragon are probably the best sets, another interesting armor imo is Evon one, in combo with boots and gloves of diligence or with heavy dragon ones (Evon is considered a heavy dragon bp so it will work to get dragon set bonus)