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[Someone With Mass]

Seems like a lot of the user reviewers are hurt in the rear because BioWare didn't go all out with the RPG stuff. Which they've never done with the Mass Effect trilogy.

Aaleel wrote...

This may shake a few people.

Mass Effect 3 is an action game with a side-helping of dialogue

Really?

I thought the game that's focusing on a galactic war was about paintings and puzzles.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Lucy Glitter]

 Guys, if any of these companies posted un-favourable reviews, they'd lose EA as a supporter, so they have to be nice about the game no matter what. 

It's how the corporate world works. 

[fropas]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Guys, if any of these companies posted un-favourable reviews, they'd lose EA as a supporter, so they have to be nice about the game no matter what. 

It's how the corporate world works. 

 Word. It can't possibly be a good game. . .even if it was, it wouldn't matter, because companies would still have to call it good. Stupid companies.

Modifié par fropas, 06 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Sargerus]

DRAMA QUEENS INBOUND

[Acidrain92]

fropas wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Guys, if any of these companies posted un-favourable reviews, they'd lose EA as a supporter, so they have to be nice about the game no matter what. 

It's how the corporate world works. 

 Word. It can't possibly be a good game. . .even if it was, it wouldn't matte, because companies would still have to call it good. Stupid companies.

Thats it! The only way to stop this madness is....stop obsessing about reviews and play the game ourselves! and if we cant do that then just forget about the game completely!

BRILLIANT!

/not sarcasm

[Subject One]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

OK, but didn't Dragon Age 2 get "great" reviews as well? I'm not saying they *PAID* for these positive reviews but let's be honest... it's most likely.

Dragon age 2 was more toward 7-8 reviews and ME3 toward 9-10 reviews.

Anyway DA2 wasn't awful for me, just mediocre. I hope ME3 will have flaws but in the end will be much better.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Really?

I thought the game that's focusing on a galactic war was about paintings and puzzles.

Yes. Can't possibly keep it consistent with the other two games, no sir-ree.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[fropas]

Acidrain92 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Guys, if any of these companies posted un-favourable reviews, they'd lose EA as a supporter, so they have to be nice about the game no matter what. 

It's how the corporate world works. 

 Word. It can't possibly be a good game. . .even if it was, it wouldn't matte, because companies would still have to call it good. Stupid companies.

Thats it! The only way to stop this madness is....stop obsessing about reviews and play the game ourselves! and if we cant do that then just forget about the game completely!

BRILLIANT!

/not sarcasm

What do you want me to do?
 
I've got another 7 hours until I can play this game.

Just let me troll in peace.

[Acidrain92]

fropas wrote...

Acidrain wrote...

Thats it! The only way to stop this madness is....stop obsessing about reviews and play the game ourselves! and if we cant do that then just forget about the game completely!

BRILLIANT!

/not sarcasm

What do you want me to do?
 
I've got another 7 hours until I can play this game.

Just let me troll in peace.

you can do it man! Just hang in there! Have a movie marathon or something!! IM NOT GIVING UP ON YOU DAMMIT.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 06 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[DaJe]

fropas wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

these reviewers aren't even trying to criticize the game they all gave the game "zeros and ones" No One should take them seriously. They're just hating the game.

That happens when you disappoint your long time fan-base. Metacritic is open to anyone and thus fair game. If you don't pull **** that will ****** people off then you don't have to fear all those unreasonable hatescores of 0 and 1. 

While that user score does not at all reflect the games quality, I'm sure, it reflects disappointment, just like it did for DA2.
Everything happens for a reason. People hating the game is not a random anomaly in the space time continuum.

This and DA2 should give EA and Bioware some signs to maybe change direction a bit? Most money comes from the users, not IGN reviewers.

[grumpymooselion]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seems like a lot of the user reviewers are hurt in the rear because BioWare didn't go all out with the RPG stuff. Which they've never done with the Mass Effect trilogy.

Aaleel wrote...

This may shake a few people.

Mass Effect 3 is an action game with a side-helping of dialogue

Really?

I thought the game that's focusing on a galactic war was about paintings and puzzles.

Some of the more reasonable ones plainly state that the issue isn't that it's not a full blown RPG, but that the RPG elements, dialogue choices and such are even less present than in ME1 and ME2. Take that for what you will. I'd assume reasonable people wouldn't expect it to suddenly be a full blown RPG, when ME has always been a Hybrid, which is fine, if it's marketed as a Hybrid. Bioware tend to . . . throw around the RPG acronym a lot though, in marketing and such.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 06 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[fropas]

DaJe wrote...

fropas wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

these reviewers aren't even trying to criticize the game they all gave the game "zeros and ones" No One should take them seriously. They're just hating the game.

That happens when you disappoint your long time fan-base. Metacritic is open to anyone and thus fair game. If you don't pull **** that will ****** people off then you don't have to fear all those unreasonable hatescores of 0 and 1. 

While that user score does not at all reflect the games quality, I'm sure, it reflects disappointment, just like it did for DA2.
Everything happens for a reason. People hating the game is not a random anomaly in the space time continuum.

This and DA2 should give EA and Bioware some signs to maybe change direction a bit? Most money comes from the users, not IGN reviewers.

Wait so people should take  them seriously BECAUSE they're filled with venom and hate?

[grumpymooselion]

fropas wrote...

DaJe wrote...

fropas wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

these reviewers aren't even trying to criticize the game they all gave the game "zeros and ones" No One should take them seriously. They're just hating the game.

That happens when you disappoint your long time fan-base. Metacritic is open to anyone and thus fair game. If you don't pull **** that will ****** people off then you don't have to fear all those unreasonable hatescores of 0 and 1. 

While that user score does not at all reflect the games quality, I'm sure, it reflects disappointment, just like it did for DA2.
Everything happens for a reason. People hating the game is not a random anomaly in the space time continuum.

This and DA2 should give EA and Bioware some signs to maybe change direction a bit? Most money comes from the users, not IGN reviewers.

Wait so people should take  them seriously BECAUSE they're filled with venom and hate?

On one hand, their opinions should be provided in a balanced and level headed manner. That's for certain.

On the other hand, where did the venom and hate come from? Is there reason that they're so upset? That's something to consider too.

^

See, well balanced, thoughtful.

-

Personally, I still need to experience it for myself. I really hope that some of the fans and actual reviews are just exagerating some of the issues. I'd be really happy if that were the case.

[Acidrain92]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seems like a lot of the user reviewers are hurt in the rear because BioWare didn't go all out with the RPG stuff. Which they've never done with the Mass Effect trilogy.

Aaleel wrote...

This may shake a few people.

Mass Effect 3 is an action game with a side-helping of dialogue

Really?

I thought the game that's focusing on a galactic war was about paintings and puzzles.

Some of the more reasonable ones plainly state that the issue isn't that it's not a full blown RPG, but that the RPG elements, dialogue choices and such are even less present than in ME1 and ME2. Take that for what you will. I'd assume reasonable people wouldn't expect it to suddenly be a full blown RPG, when ME has always been a Hybrid, which is fine, if it's marketed as a Hybrid. Bioware tend to . . . throw around the RPG acronym a lot though, in marketing and such.

I dont think that the RPG elements are gone, in fact I think they are better than ever. What I think the issue is, is with the lack of choice and how no matter what the choices you made in the first two games, they all seem to come together to the same ending.

I think it has more to do with problems involving crafting your own story rather than the RPG elements. I know those two kind of co-incide, but when I think RPG im thinking more about power and weapon customization, currency, altering clothes and armor, relationship building and all that jazz.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 06 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[MrAtomica]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

It's disturbing and probably will be quite damaging.

You know what? You're absolutely right, Jarrett. It's utterly despicable.

I'll be the first to admit that I have some issues with the endings. I also am not a huge fan of the running animations, the low-res textures in some places, and the omni button. But from what I've played so far, and I make no claims to have gotten very far at all, this game is wonderful overall. I can forgive the aspects I have reservations over because it seems to me that you guys have put a lot of effort into tuning ME2 into something even better. It doesn't hurt that I have faith that you'll fill in any gaps that the fanbase raises a clamor over.

So bravo, and don't let the obvious trolls get you down. No game in the history of game development deserves a 0, let alone a couple hundred, especially right after release. Not even Superman 64 was that bad. I plan to put up a more critique oriented review once I've finished the game at least once. And I can promise you and the rest of the team that it will be as fair as humanly possible.

For anyone reading this, exercise common sense when putting a score on a product of someone else's hard work. It's totally fine to score it however you feel is necessary, so long as you give sufficient reason for why you chose that score. The only way for a developer to improve their delivery of each new iteration is by collecting feedback from fans. That feedback can have concerns and nitpicks galore, just be polite when stating them.

Counter-rant is over now. I'm still blown away by how much petty hatred is flying around Metacritic at this point.

Edit: I should mention, so that I don't get the word "****" thrown at me, that I DO have some fairly large complaints about the game (from spoilers, largely, which is why I skirted by them above). Make no mistake about this; I will certainly mention them at length in my review. But I cannot and will not condone such senseless raving. That is not an intelligent critique, that is a snap reflex caused by stewing anger from spoilers and leaked content. At least play the game in its entirety, first.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 06 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[Wulfram]

Acidrain92 wrote...

I dont think that the RPG elements are gone, in fact I think they are better than ever. What I think the issue is, is with the lack of choice and how no matter what the choices you made in the first two games, they all seem to come together to the same ending.

I think it has more to do with problems involving crafting your own story rather than the RPG elements. I know those two kind of co-incide, but when I think RPG im thinking more about power and weapon customization, currency, altering clothes and armor, relationship building and all that jazz.

It's awkward to discuss, because RPG in computer gaming has come to mean a specific thing which is rather divorced from what would otherwise be meant by "role playing"

From what I've heard, I think it could be said that ME3 is more of an RPG than previous games, yet contains less role-playing.

[fropas]

Janan Pacha wrote...

On one hand, their opinions should be provided in a balanced and level headed manner. That's for certain.

On the other hand, where did the venom and hate come from? Is there reason that they're so upset? That's something to consider too.

^

See, well balanced, thoughtful.

-

Personally, I still need to experience it for myself. I really hope that some of the fans and actual reviews are just exagerating some of the issues. I'd be really happy if that were the case.

Yeah, that hate must come from some rational source of indignation--nothing to do with petty attempts to tarnish the series they are clearly "fans" of. . .I'm not sure who's at fault in this situation, but these user reviews don't criticise the product--they criticise the publisher--therefore they should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Yes. Can't possibly keep it consistent with the other two games, no sir-ree.

I have played ME1 and ME2. It's just good that they're not keeping it consistent gameplay-wise.

ME1's system was just a collection of garbage that nobody needed when certain items were found and ME2's combat was stiff and awkward with little customization. They changed that to a much better system in ME3.

As for the dialogues, I don't care if Shepard says something automatically, because, believe it or not, he/she is not a Warden and has a personality of his/her own.

Which is at the same time a little funny, because I have noticed how people complained to no end about how little of a personality Shepard had in the previous games and when he/she finally expanded on that front, everyone complains about how he/she is not a person with the emotional investment of a brick.

As for the dialogues, there were tons of auto-dialogues in the previous games as well. Some of them were even disguised as multiple dialogues to give the player a false sense that there was more to pick from.

Oh no, I can't choose how to answer Joker on the radio anymore. My immersion (such a overused word, by the way) is broken.

And no vehicles? About time they got rid of them. They served absolutely no good or practical purpose in the previous games and wouldn't in ME3, when we have a shuttle that can land pretty much anywhere.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Yuqi wrote...

Oh look it's the DA2 fiasco all over again..

Are you kidding?!

This is nothing like DA2 when it was released. This is about ten times worse than DA2's release. 

[grumpymooselion]

Acidrain92 wrote...

I dont think that the RPG elements are gone, in fact I think they are better than ever. What I think the issue is, is with the lack of choice and how no matter what the choices you made in the first two games, they all seem to come together to the same ending.

I wouldn't agree that they were gone either, however, having not played it yet, and going off reviews, and not just angry fans (or, not fans, whatever), the RPG elements and dialogue choices are claimed to be less, and auto-dialogue seems to be a continued issue throughout. Personally I hope those things are exagerated, and I'd like to find when I play that they're wholly wrong in fact.

I'll see for myself in a few hours.

I think it has more to do with problems involving crafting your own story rather than the RPG elements. I know those two kind of co-incide, but when I think RPG im thinking more about power and weapon customization, currency, altering clothes and armor, relationship building and all that jazz.

Crafting your own story is an RPG element. What your character says and does, is just as important as what they were, what they find, what they look like and all of that combined. I'd love to find a modern RPG that goes to such lengths as to make even a simple hair color choice have a reaction in the world, an old RPG I played did that, actually, where a character commented on the Blonde Hair of a character I'd made . . . it wasn't a compliment, in fact he made fun of it, but it was a nice touch. I like details.

[Dave of Canada]

Mass Effect 1 was horrible gameplay wise (imo), though the plot and characters is what pulled it from bad to good and made it successful among the people. This is what people valued, the character interactions and dialogue which took the overly generic "fight ancient evil" plot and made it a classic gem.

Let's temporairly ignore the "RPG" and "Shooter" labeling, I doubt many people (note: not all) played the game because they could mod their gun or spend talent points (which other games who classify themselves solely as "Shooters" have) or for the shooting. Mass Effect 1 would've been a flop if it relied on it's gameplay.

Mass Effect 2 took the shooter aspect of the game and went with it, improving what many disliked in ME1 and keeping the characters and dialogue. Many didn't care much that the game decided to be more "twitch", removed customization and exploration.

The combat in the game still felt behind compared to other shooters, though those who enjoyed the characters and dialogue were still welcomed into ME2. I know many disliked ME2, I prefer ME1 myself but it still integrated things well enough. The "shooter" label wasn't completely ignored.

Mass Effect 3 on the other hand embraced the "shooter" aspect, the plot mostly keeps you fighting and whenever there's a brief moment of respite, somehow you're fighting Cerberus or something two seconds later. Shepard has little to no control of his/her words and most of the characters we've grown to love are thrown aside.

ME3 is the complete opposite of ME1, it has extremely weak RPG elements and is a superior shooter (unfortunately, it still falls behind on that front compared to other similar games). Characters are forgettable, their importance relying too much on your ME1/2 connection with them and Shepard is OOC for many individuals with the introduction of auto-dialogue which takes far too many assumptions.

In addition to this, the trilogy ends on the note which destroys everything from the universe. It's almost like they decided "we don't care" and tried to intentionally troll everybody. Include blatant fan service (Chobot), plotholes up the wazoo (A lot... but I'll just say the entire ending's 10 or so plotholes) and how Shepard has little to no say in dealing with things he should be capable of dealing with.

If I wanted a shooter, I'd play the better shooters out there on the market. Lord knows we're drowning in them.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Yes. Can't possibly keep it consistent with the other two games, no sir-ree.

I have played ME1 and ME2. It's just good that they're not keeping it consistent gameplay-wise.

ME1's system was just a collection of garbage that nobody needed when certain items were found and ME2's combat was stiff and awkward with little customization. They changed that to a much better system in ME3.

As for the dialogues, I don't care if Shepard says something automatically, because, believe it or not, he/she is not a Warden and has a personality of his/her own.

Which is at the same time a little funny, because I have noticed how people complained to no end about how little of a personality Shepard had in the previous games and when he/she finally expanded on that front, everyone complains about how he/she is not a person with the emotional investment of a brick.

As for the dialogues, there were tons of auto-dialogues in the previous games as well. Some of them were even disguised as multiple dialogues to give the player a false sense that there was more to pick from.

Oh no, I can't choose how to answer Joker on the radio anymore. My immersion (such a overused word, by the way) is broken.

And no vehicles? About time they got rid of them. They served absolutely no good or practical purpose in the previous games and wouldn't in ME3, when we have a shuttle that can land pretty much anywhere.

You don't need to explain to me in full detail how you're the fan they're catering to.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[LPPrince]

Perhaps its related to our characters we've used for five years not being able to have their appearance transfer over.

That could be whats causing it. I wouldn't blame them, because its really pissing me off.

[Eternal Phoenix]

PDesign wrote...

 boards.4chan.org/v/res/131729660

Seems like the 4chan lot got banned on here and were butthurt about it. Someone should tell them to cry some more because no one is listening. Who listens to metacritic reviews anyway?