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[grumpymooselion]

nici2412 wrote...

Some scores from german sites:

Looki.de vergibt 92%
http://www.looki.de/...st_a5210_7.html

Gamepro 93/100
http://www.gamepro.d....ung/46147.html

Gameswelt 93%
http://www.gameswelt...._3/result.html

Eurogamer.de 10/10
http://www.eurogamer....-3-test?page=3

Gamereactor.de 10/10
http://www.gamereact....cfd0790d2be588

Videogamezone.de 90%
http://www.videogame....nale-871325/3/

Play3.de 9./10
http://www.play3.de/...gameplay-video/

IGN.de 9,5
http://de.ign.com/re...Mass-Effect-3/3

Gamersglobal: 9,5
http://www.gamersglo....-mass-effect-3

Computerbild.de gibt Note 1,98
http://www.computerb....w-7347786.html

Spieletips.de vergibt 91%
http://www.spieletip...artikel/3850/5/

Gamestar 90%
http://www.gamestar.....ung/45851.html

PC Games vergibt 90%
http://www.pcgames.d....ilogie-871321/

Can't wait any longer:(

The problem I have with some review scores, is, past review scores that were high, that I later see the same reviewers going back to and saying, "Well, I wish I hadn't done that." A lot of the high profile reviewers also have a lot on the line when they give out a review score, like it or not, big companies can withhold free review copies to reviewers if they don't like the scores or commentary of their games in past reviews. Then there's always the issue of bribes, something EA has been accused of, and something sites like, say, Gamespot have been absolutely found guilty of . . . (not in the case of a Bioware/EA game, mind you, it's an interesting story, look it up).

There's just so much to question when I read reviews lately.

I'm more prone to go to the small time independant reviewers of late, but they don't get the advanced and free review copies (for reasons I just went over) so their reviews take longer to get out. Then again, the result is that they have less riding on what they say in their reviews. Go figure.

Anyways. I'm not accusing, just, really, when you think about it, there's a lot more going into reviews from major review sites than simply, "Play a game and review it" there are politics, of a sort.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 06 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[Guldhun2]

cotheer wrote...

In my opinion, no game deserves 9.5 or ffs 10 O_O
Does one even know what these numbers even mean, 10 is flawless game that makes you cry of happiness just by looking at it (mildly said). Most of the reviewers don't take into consideration all aspects of a game, especially not the story in some context. The hype also plays the great role which is just...sad.
Also giving 0s is just plain stupid. I haven't played ME3 (yet), but seeing all those 9.5/10, just shows me just how biased those "professional" reviews are (KoA:R got 9 and the game is basically in beta).

Well, either give it a 10 or 9 or EA won't send any review copies for the next game.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Yep, as I don't throw out of hand features I don't like with mental gymnastics. Easier to understand rather than saying "Meh, who CARES" about stuff you don't like. More critical, too.

Right...when you're not presenting you opinion as a fact.

[fropas]

Acidrain92 wrote...

UGH the worst thing is I dont even know if I am getting my CE today since I pre-ordered on ebay from CANADA. Worst case scenario I wont be getting it until Friday or something.

SO FRUSTRATING.

Isn't Canada in North America?
You should have it before friday for sure.

[Wulfram]

I do think there's an interesting question of whether your score should reflect how you feel about a game or it's objective strengths and weaknesses?

If someone hates the game because a specific feature like autodialogue is ruining for him personally, but recognises that it possess many strengths that would appeal to others, what's the appropriate score? 1/10, because you hated it? 9/10, because it's a good game? Or 6/10, which really reflects neither of those things.

[Guldhun2]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think there's an interesting question of whether your score should reflect how you feel about a game or it's objective strengths and weaknesses?

If someone hates the game because a specific feature like autodialogue is ruining for him personally, but recognises that it possess many strengths that would appeal to others, what's the appropriate score? 1/10, because you hated it? 9/10, because it's a good game? Or 6/10, which really reflects neither of those things.

If they had given it an 6/10, EA would't send any review copies next time.

[Acidrain92]

fropas wrote...

Acidrain92 wrote...

UGH the worst thing is I dont even know if I am getting my CE today since I pre-ordered on ebay from CANADA. Worst case scenario I wont be getting it until Friday or something.

SO FRUSTRATING.

Isn't Canada in North America?
You should have it before friday for sure.

yeah it is lol but it is still a ways away. I dont live in the same country, but yeah hopefully I will be getting it soon. That way I can really judge it fairly.

[cotheer]

Guldhun2 wrote...

cotheer wrote...

In my opinion, no game deserves 9.5 or ffs 10 O_O
Does one even know what these numbers even mean, 10 is flawless game that makes you cry of happiness just by looking at it (mildly said). Most of the reviewers don't take into consideration all aspects of a game, especially not the story in some context. The hype also plays the great role which is just...sad.
Also giving 0s is just plain stupid. I haven't played ME3 (yet), but seeing all those 9.5/10, just shows me just how biased those "professional" reviews are (KoA:R got 9 and the game is basically in beta).

Well, either give it a 10 or 9 or EA won't send any review copies for the next game.

Pretty much, which is unfortunate.

[finc.loki]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

I guess trolls have nothing better to do with their time.

It's disturbing and probably will be quite damaging.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

No one would take that user score seriously, clearly too much disparity between review scores and user scores.
Besides almost everyone knows about this "thrashing metacritic user score" BS.

Modifié par finc.loki, 06 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[fropas]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think there's an interesting question of whether your score should reflect how you feel about a game or it's objective strengths and weaknesses?

If someone hates the game because a specific feature like autodialogue is ruining for him personally, but recognises that it possess many strengths that would appeal to others, what's the appropriate score? 1/10, because you hated it? 9/10, because it's a good game? Or 6/10, which really reflects neither of those things.

I don't think people hate the game (most haven't played it yet) they just don't think the game deserves so many high scores, because it has so many problems. People always disagree with reviews it's nothing new, but the people who disagree should at least have the balls to write their own reviews so we can disaggree with their video game value system/criteria.

[Acidrain92]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think there's an interesting question of whether your score should reflect how you feel about a game or it's objective strengths and weaknesses?

If someone hates the game because a specific feature like autodialogue is ruining for him personally, but recognises that it possess many strengths that would appeal to others, what's the appropriate score? 1/10, because you hated it? 9/10, because it's a good game? Or 6/10, which really reflects neither of those things.

thats what Im saying. There are so many variables. So many ways to interpret it. Number scores really are not reliable in the least.

Im not saying ME3 doesnt deserve a 9.5 or whatever in some way, im just saying I wish more reviews would just stick to words.

Hell I wouldnt even mind if they had a rating system that was like "avoidable, bad, mediocre, ok, good, great, amazing, perfect" or something like that.

even so that would be manipulated somehow in the long run.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Guldhun2 wrote...

cotheer wrote...

In my opinion, no game deserves 9.5 or ffs 10 O_O
Does one even know what these numbers even mean, 10 is flawless game that makes you cry of happiness just by looking at it (mildly said). Most of the reviewers don't take into consideration all aspects of a game, especially not the story in some context. The hype also plays the great role which is just...sad.
Also giving 0s is just plain stupid. I haven't played ME3 (yet), but seeing all those 9.5/10, just shows me just how biased those "professional" reviews are (KoA:R got 9 and the game is basically in beta).

Well, either give it a 10 or 9 or EA won't send any review copies for the next game.

Yup folks, that's it. EVERY SINGLE review Site on the interwebs is bribed by EA.

You heard it here first. EA has purchased the interwebs.

P.S.: I don't give review scores a lot of credit. Why? Because I have played games that were reviewed as 2/10 and loved them and have played games that were rated 9/10 and hated them. Even without supposed corporate influence, review scores mean jack **** to me.

User Reviews even moreso, unless they are from friends I know.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

These reviews are hilarious. I get the choice between user score I don't trust because of the backlash, and critic score I don't trust because lol game journalism.

[fropas]

Acidrain92 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Acidrain92 wrote...

UGH the worst thing is I dont even know if I am getting my CE today since I pre-ordered on ebay from CANADA. Worst case scenario I wont be getting it until Friday or something.

SO FRUSTRATING.

Isn't Canada in North America?
You should have it before friday for sure.

yeah it is lol but it is still a ways away. I dont live in the same country, but yeah hopefully I will be getting it soon. That way I can really judge it fairly.

That sucks, I hope you get it soon, the anticipation is killing me (haven't slept all night) and I'm only a couple hours away.

[Rickin10]

Review scores and the whole industry is one big pile of ****e currently. No, reviewer can seem to grasp the concept of scale from 1-10. No big games anymore seem to get lower then an 8.5. Even if they could sites wouldn't be able to because they'd cease to exist as publishers would snub them. Sad, sad state of affairs.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Yep, as I don't throw out of hand features I don't like with mental gymnastics. Easier to understand rather than saying "Meh, who CARES" about stuff you don't like. More critical, too.

Right...when you're not presenting you opinion as a fact.

Rarely do and even then I'd consider that a step above dismissing, as you can still understand the person's opinion despite them stating it as fact.

"Who cares about this feature, it sucked anyway! You're just butthurt / Go die in a car fire!" doesn't yield the same thing.

[felipejiraya]

Since 2009 Game Informer only gave 10 to five games: Mass Effect 3, Batman: Arkham City, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty and God of War III.

I think it's a pretty amazing feat for ME3 and BioWare.

Modifié par felipejiraya, 06 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[Warhawk137]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think there's an interesting question of whether your score should reflect how you feel about a game or it's objective strengths and weaknesses?

If someone hates the game because a specific feature like autodialogue is ruining for him personally, but recognises that it possess many strengths that would appeal to others, what's the appropriate score? 1/10, because you hated it? 9/10, because it's a good game? Or 6/10, which really reflects neither of those things.

Assigning a score can be difficult in that situation.  Everyone weighs positives and negatives differently.  Generally speaking, listing the positives and negatives is more informative than giving a bad score and then going on and on about the one thing you didn't like.  The problem, and the reason why people do this all the time, is that they think of user reviews as an opportunity to indulge their own gripes, rather than a vehicle for presenting the game to others.  There seem to be a lot of people who have trouble with the concept that the review your writing is meant to be read, and is not your private journal.

In any case, I think the proper way to review a game for others is to be objective - that is, weighing all the pros and cons against what the game set out to accomplish.  And you have to put yourself in the position of the "average" person, the definition of which is a person who cares to a moderate extent about a wide range of features and aspects, rather than a person who cares a great deal about a narrow group of things.

[Guldhun2]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Yup folks, that's it. EVERY SINGLE review Site on the interwebs is bribed by EA.

EA sends review copies ahead of time to all those big review sites. Imagine one of those sites gives a game a "honest" score and only gives it around 6. What would EA do next time a big budget game gets released? Send a review copy to the site that gave it a low score? Or only send it to the 'LOL 10/10 BEST GAME EVAR' sites?

Modifié par Guldhun2, 06 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[fropas]

skyward sword got a 10? wtf?

Modifié par fropas, 06 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[BillsVengenace]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

I guess trolls have nothing better to do with their time.

It's disturbing and probably will be quite damaging.

Not as disturbing as the 9-10s from so-called "professional reviewers".

You'd expect that kind of bias from "trolls" but professionals?

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

fropas wrote...

skyward sword got a 10? wtf?

Mass Effect 3: as good as skyward sword 

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 06 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Warhawk137]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

These reviews are hilarious. I get the choice between user score I don't trust because of the backlash, and critic score I don't trust because lol game journalism.

Ignore scores.  Read reviews.  Make a list of pros that appear consistently and cons that appear consistently.  Consider how much you care (or don't care) about each one.  Ask self if it sounds like a game you'd enjoy.

Modifié par Warhawk137, 06 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[cotheer]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

cotheer wrote...

In my opinion, no game deserves 9.5 or ffs 10 O_O
Does one even know what these numbers even mean, 10 is flawless game that makes you cry of happiness just by looking at it (mildly said). Most of the reviewers don't take into consideration all aspects of a game, especially not the story in some context. The hype also plays the great role which is just...sad.
Also giving 0s is just plain stupid. I haven't played ME3 (yet), but seeing all those 9.5/10, just shows me just how biased those "professional" reviews are (KoA:R got 9 and the game is basically in beta).

Well, either give it a 10 or 9 or EA won't send any review copies for the next game.

Yup folks, that's it. EVERY SINGLE review Site on the interwebs is bribed by EA.

You heard it here first. EA has purchased the interwebs.

P.S.: I don't give review scores a lot of credit. Why? Because I have played games that were reviewed as 2/10 and loved them and have played games that were rated 9/10 and hated them. Even without supposed corporate influence, review scores mean jack **** to me.

User Reviews even moreso, unless they are from friends I know.

And that is perfectly fine, the problem is however in a fact that those scores only make developers go "damn we're so perfect", which results in them becoming more lazy and moving that laziness threshold even more as long as they get high review scores (i mean just look at the game market today which is flooded with FPS games).

[grumpymooselion]

felipejiraya wrote...

Since 2009 Game Informer only game 10 to five games: Mass Effect 3, Batman: Arkham City, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty and God of War III.

I think it's a pretty amazing feat for ME3 and BioWare.

Having played most of those, and not Mass Effect 3 yet (obviously), I can honestly say, while I liked those I have played, to varying degrees, I'd never have given a single one of them a 10, since that implies that they're flawless. None of them were flawless. All had very obvious flaws, some smaller than others, but flaws none the less - not perfect, definitely not deserving of a 10.