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[Arppis]

Derek Larke wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

I guess trolls have nothing better to do with their time.

It's disturbing and probably will be quite damaging.

Reapers gonna reap and trolls gonna troll, Jarrett. 

And I'm gonna eat some cerials. Nom!

[Naqey]

"Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference."
....

[zippie151]

Anything negative about this game is because EA and Bioware have taken what was an ambitious and rather awesome role playing experience and removed almost all aspect of the traditional role playing from it. Now I liked ME2 and I know I'll like ME3 because it's ME, but that doesn't change the fact that personally ME1 is the superior game in terms of a role playing experience. I happened to like the mako elements and instead of refining those they chopped them completely and replaced with what, some mediocre firewalker dlc.
All opinion I know, but you cant write someone off simply because they have one to the contrary. ME was and should be a role player but now it is nine tenths a shooter and that is quite frankly a fail, no matter how good the actual game may be.

[Gatt9]

Gigamantis wrote...

maybe it isn't just trolling and people are genuinely pissed about how the game turned out... just because people over react in a review doesn't mean they are trolling

Trolling and overreacting aren't too different in that they're both pretty much useless as feedback. If you're going to try to oversell your opinions with a completely inane score you're going to get ignored. If people think they have valid complaints they need to be smarter about it.  

You seem to misunderstand the whole point of the user review,  it's not to give feedback.  That was given for the many months leading up to release,  and Bioware opted to ignore it.  There's no longer any point to feedback.

Further,  your logic is just as easily applied to the 10/10 scores.  Gushing blind praise is even less usefull than giving a 0/10 and complaining.  Gushing just means that Bioware could sell you a brick-ina-box and you'd buy it.

Disclaimer:  I haven't yet played the game,  will start shortly.  I have not yet posted my Metacritic review,  as I have not yet played.

[Gigamantis]

Gatt9 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

maybe it isn't just trolling and people are genuinely pissed about how the game turned out... just because people over react in a review doesn't mean they are trolling

Trolling and overreacting aren't too different in that they're both pretty much useless as feedback. If you're going to try to oversell your opinions with a completely inane score you're going to get ignored. If people think they have valid complaints they need to be smarter about it.  

You seem to misunderstand the whole point of the user review,  it's not to give feedback.  That was given for the many months leading up to release,  and Bioware opted to ignore it.  There's no longer any point to feedback.

Further,  your logic is just as easily applied to the 10/10 scores.  Gushing blind praise is even less usefull than giving a 0/10 and complaining.  Gushing just means that Bioware could sell you a brick-ina-box and you'd buy it.

Disclaimer:  I haven't yet played the game,  will start shortly.  I have not yet posted my Metacritic review,  as I have not yet played.

The point of a user review is to give feedback to other people who haven't purchased the game yet.  Giving incomplete and overblown emotional feedback is useless so, I repeat, they shouldn't have bothered.

That also applies to 10/10 scores that are nothing but blind praise, but since the user review scores are averaging 2-4, with the aforementioned useless 0's being the majority of feedback, what do you think is the bigger problem here?  The user reviews are mostly trolls at this point and are thus useless for their intended purpose.  

[MingWolf]

Gigamantis wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

maybe it isn't just trolling and people are genuinely pissed about how the game turned out... just because people over react in a review doesn't mean they are trolling

Trolling and overreacting aren't too different in that they're both pretty much useless as feedback. If you're going to try to oversell your opinions with a completely inane score you're going to get ignored. If people think they have valid complaints they need to be smarter about it.  

You seem to misunderstand the whole point of the user review,  it's not to give feedback.  That was given for the many months leading up to release,  and Bioware opted to ignore it.  There's no longer any point to feedback.

Further,  your logic is just as easily applied to the 10/10 scores.  Gushing blind praise is even less usefull than giving a 0/10 and complaining.  Gushing just means that Bioware could sell you a brick-ina-box and you'd buy it.

Disclaimer:  I haven't yet played the game,  will start shortly.  I have not yet posted my Metacritic review,  as I have not yet played.

The point of a user review is to give feedback to other people who haven't purchased the game yet.  Giving incomplete and overblown emotional feedback is useless so, I repeat, they shouldn't have bothered.

That also applies to 10/10 scores that are nothing but blind praise, but since the user review scores are averaging 2-4, with the aforementioned useless 0's being the majority of feedback, what do you think is the bigger problem here?  The user reviews are mostly trolls at this point and are thus useless for their intended purpose.  

I hope it's trolling and overreacting, I really do.  My CE copy is on the road (or air) somewhere, and I'm hoping that I can form my own opinions on the game soon.  I saw the overwhelmingly low metacritic user reviews this morning at work and did feel a little anxious and nervous about how this game shall turn out.  

I understand the whole 0 and 10 logic, and while I agree that to an extent that the numerical value is to an extent, overreaction and maybe trolling, I could never quite dismiss metacritic entirely.  The results of Mass Effect 3 on metacritic so far are shockingly similar to some of the feedback received for Dragon Age 2.  Some of the negative reviewers even cite Dragon Age 2!  The numerical values might not be fair, but they often point to some outstanding problems with a game, which is a cause for concern.  As much as I hate to admit it, when I played the latter Dragon Age game, I tended to side with the overwhelmingly negative critics versus the professional reviewers, much of whom gave the game a positive score. 

I don't normally care too much what exact score users on metacritic give to a game.  What does become concerning is when you have 500+ reviewers rating the game, and the game sits below the half-way mark.  If you've taken statistics, you would know that the greater the sample size (aka reviewers), the more the results point to a trend of some sort.

Heres hoping that it doesn't turn out that bad.  I saw a pretty decent review for the game earlier today, and I am hopeful I'll enjoy it when I get it. 

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

Those are some pretty harsh user reviews, should I be second guessing my purchase?

[tonnactus]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

Those are some pretty harsh user reviews, should I be second guessing my purchase?

No. You could alsways sell a game if you dont like it with a minimal loss.(short after release)

[Michale_Jackson]

my personal review of this game, well since I can't import my Shep right now this game is looking at 5/10 right now.

[Gigamantis]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

PDesign wrote...

metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 user score

Those are some pretty harsh user reviews, should I be second guessing my purchase?

The cons to this game appear to be less dialogue options, you can't import the face of your ME1 shepard and you don't have much control over how the game ends.  Those are the key points all the 0 scores are based on and the rest is primarily trolling. 

Beyond that the combat is improved, the game seems to run well, the voice acting is superb and it retains the story telling prowess of the ME franchise. 

How much these influence you enjoyment of the game is something only you would know.  Objectively, however, it's a top tier game. 

[Machazareel]

Reviewers be damned. I am thoroughly enjoying this game, and actually spending more time talking to people than I did in the previous titles. Looking to be my favorite of the three so far.

[BenjaminR00]

"Movies: I want a happy ending" ???

Are you for real??? You don't want a happy or sad ending by default, you just want an ending that feels true. Anything else is flat out nonsense without any integrity.

Have to wait another 36 hours to play the game, sadly, but my brain is totally exploding at reading these reviews (the positive ones by 'professionals') which actually all make the game sound bad. Fortunately little bits of actual gameplay from ME3 that I have let myself look at on Youtube are much better.

BRAIN EXPLODING.

[The Executioner]

So far the my only problem is Miranda's not in my squad other than that the game is really good.

[addiction21]

Metacritic... we have dismissed those claims.

(has that allready been done?)

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Unfortunately, I think I might agree with a lot of the negative reviews there. ME3, despite being spectacular and epic, falls far short on what the series predicated itself on being. The art direction is strong, the music is strong, the sound effects and ambience (excluding the near-silent Normandy and Citadel) is strong, the combat and multiplayer are DEFINITELY strong... but I find the story and the dialogue to be fairly weak in comparison to the other games.

I wouldn't say that the game deserves a score of 2.4, but I do think that it's indicative of fan expectations (regarding the RPG elements mostly), and the game's flaws as they're determined by those expectations. I think it's also a consequence of the direction that Bioware decided to take the game in, aggressively downplaying (in marketing and development) the RPG elements and interactivity while putting much more effort into the action parts of the game.

In the end, we have this:

ME1 = good RPG, poor shooter
ME2 = good RPG, fair shooter
ME3 = good shooter, poor RPG

So, yeah, expect backlash.

[gabe2gg]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Unfortunately, I think I might agree with a lot of the negative reviews there. ME3, despite being spectacular and epic, falls far short on what the series predicated itself on being. The art direction is strong, the music is strong, the sound effects and ambience (excluding the near-silent Normandy and Citadel) is strong, the combat and multiplayer are DEFINITELY strong... but I find the story and the dialogue to be fairly weak in comparison to the other games.

I wouldn't say that the game deserves a score of 2.4, but I do think that it's indicative of fan expectations (regarding the RPG elements mostly), and the game's flaws as they're determined by those expectations. I think it's also a consequence of the direction that Bioware decided to take the game in, aggressively downplaying (in marketing and development) the RPG elements and interactivity while putting much more effort into the action parts of the game.

In the end, we have this:

ME1 = good RPG, poor shooter
ME2 = good RPG, fair shooter
ME3 = good shooter, poor RPG

So, yeah, expect backlash.

I think you got ME2 and ME3 mixed up. ME2 had less customization than either game yet its a good RPG?

[BenjaminR00]

gabe2gg wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

In the end, we have this:

ME1 = good RPG, poor shooter
ME2 = good RPG, fair shooter
ME3 = good shooter, poor RPG

So, yeah, expect backlash.

I think you got ME2 and ME3 mixed up. ME2 had less customization than either game yet its a good RPG?

I think he really means the story and it's interactive components.

BRAIN STILL EXPLODING.

[Sweetz]

Jarrett Lee wrote...
It's disturbing and probably will be quite damaging.

Not that they're fair ratings, but the sad fact is that most consumers don't have a realistically effective means of communicating that they don't like things such as day 1 DLC or a dozen different, confusing pre-order and tie-in exclusive items that will likely never be released for individual download.  Ranting or even complaining in a calm rational manner on forums, as has been demonstrated time and time again, falls on deaf ears - or at least ineffectual ones.

If user scores are legitimately damaging (and they're probably not - due to the precedent of a number of "user bombed" games which went on to sell very well) then maybe your company's management will actually pay attention to consumers that still like your game enough to buy it, but are doing so with a grimmace and the feeling that they're being fleeced or getting an incomplete experience - even if it's something that you might consider inconsequential like missing out on a certain weapon. 

I'm sure you guys don't have to deal with what it's like being a consumer who has to grapple with what store he should buy the game from, not based on the price or customer service of that store, but rather which store is going to give you the "best" version of the game - which is kind of ridiculous when you think about it.  I'm sure you don't have to fret about whether it's worth paying $80 for a download version of the game that gives you PDFs for things that in a retail copy for the same price are physical printed items.

I'm sure you're proud of the content Bioware has created, and I think you have reason to be.  It's just a shame that your management/parent company feels the need to monetize content to excess and parcel it out in such a way that no customer can ever have a 100% complete version of the game.  Of course I'm sure that game reviewers got accounts with all of the content packs enabled, and I'm sure they didn't need to pay their own money for a copy of the game either.

Try taking into account the entirety of the customer experience, before wondering why there are people who feel they have no other recourse than to review bomb to make their voices heard - whether that's right of them or not.

Modifié par Stevedroid, 07 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

@gabe2gg
Depends. For interactive dialogue, ME2 beats ME3. For character stat customization, ME3 beats ME2.

I appreciate both, but interactive dialogue is harder to do, so I consider ME2 to be the better RPG. A game with lots of interactive, cinematic dialogue is harder to come by, whereas almost every RPG ever made has an interface for stat customization.

Although, ME3 does a lot of things right that ME2 didn't. I really wish that Bioeare had made improvements across the board with ME3, rather than make compromises at the expense of Mass Effect's key storytelling mechanic.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 07 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Well, I think all those 0 comes because of the 10: The more you promise (and a 10 should be one of those games that you will consistently refer to when speaking about video games for the rest of your life), the worst the disappointment will be.
And from all problems which have been reported, Mass Effect 3 will not be a 10 for a lots of people.
It's actually the same problem with DA2: not a bad game by itself, but a HUGE disappointment to the franchise (the worst part for me being the players actually cannot roleplay the ending).
Personally, I didn't send a critic because I don't own the game, yet I still won't buy it until that ending part at least is corrected. Actually if ME3 was like DA2 (a standalone and not the last part of a trilogy), I would not even consider buying it.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Is it really that bad? Most critics seems to like it less than or same as Skyrim and I don't recall any kerfuffle regarding that. It almost sounds like another DA2, but it can't be it just can't be- I could smell how bad DA2 was from trailers and in-game footage(and lack thereof it), while I can't lie that some of the ME3 in-game trailers definitely awed me.

[BenjaminR00]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Is it really that bad? Most critics seems to like it less than or same as Skyrim and I don't recall any kerfuffle regarding that. It almost sounds like another DA2, but it can't be it just can't be- I could smell how bad DA2 was from trailers and in-game footage(and lack thereof it), while I can't lie that some of the ME3 in-game trailers definitely awed me.

Look, the very fact that Cerberus has been indoctrinated, in spite of whether you chose to blow up the Collector Base or give it to TIM, proves that at the very least ME3 has not fulfilled it's potential. That should have been one possible plotline, not the only one. BW made such a big deal about all the multiple threads and storylines that was supposed to be in this one, and clearly they have taken the easy, cashgrab route. 

That's what people are pissed about. This is not what was promised.

People don't really want to see another massive intergalactic battle scene that badly. And they definitely don't want to just watch cutscenes of it. They want a genuine, unique experience. GAME PLAY.

I get to play the game in about 14-15 hours. I am sure I will like it, especially since my expectations are lowered, and because the MP is really fun. But it's not what it should be. That's why people are upset. And it is entirely justifiable.

So everybody stop blaming trolls on metacritic for that. Blame belongs with those that have short changed us. Bottom line, we ALL would have paid twice the traditional asking price of a video game and waited another year easily, we did our part by playing the game, loving the game, paying for the game, and we weren't asking for it to be perfect, just that it should be complete and what was "sold" to us.

Isn't that fair?

Modifié par BenjaminR00, 08 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[BenjaminR00]

And if I am wrong and I totally love the game, I will come back here and say so and apologise. As I should.

[Torsional]

... Don't be idiots. Apart from some minor things and the ending, the game is a solid, fantastic experience. It involves a ton of choices made in ME1&2 and has some really diverse levels and things, plus some amazingly epic bits that nearly made me weep like a baby. I'd give it a 9/10 minimum in a heartbeat.