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[Elhanan]

Fortack wrote...

It's a horrible game when you look at all features separately. It's quite astonishing that it's still fun to play though. It's a complete mystery why it gets such high praise. The AI would have looked bad 20 years ago, UI is a complete mess, bugs all over the place, poor controls, awful balance, crappy leveling system and so on. The world, however, asks to be explored all the way. I guess that's what most people like about it and they're willing to overlook the rest.

I do agree thjat the AI and UI need improvement, and there have been a couple of quest ending bugs, but I have avoided many reported bugs; not one backwards dragon seen in all my game time.
 
However, I must disagree with the complaint on controls (much better than some other games, esp for Archery; superb). The balance and levelling has been a pleasure for my game; have no clue as to the issues seen in others.  I am as challenged with some encounters at 50th as I was at 10th, though the dragons themselves are an exception. If I could, I would buff Alduin to be lvl equivilent; the rest are generally good to fill my need for fame.

[Eurypterid]

I'm having a blast with the game, although it does have its faults/issues. The side quests are almost invariably 'go kill X' or 'go fetch X'. The side quest dungeons are almost invariably linear. Some of the rewards, since they're levelled, make little to no sense (I got a 750 GP reward for taking some spiced meat to the dog kennels. Seriously). I've run into a few glitches (getting stuck in walls, character stuck in walk/crawl mode - no It had nothing to do with encumbrance), to name a couple. A quick reload fixed those up. The AI is both amusing and maddening at times (why, oh why, does my companion insist on moving in front of my line of fire every single fight, no matter how often I reposition myself? And you have to love nailing a bandit with an arrow, alerting the others, then they give up searching while their buddy is bleeding out and just say "Must have been my imagination" I lol at that every time) There are other issues as well.

Having said that, I still find the game a ton of fun to play, and I'm very surprised that I like it as well as I do. There's a ton of lore to be found both in reading books and talking to the people of Skyrim. Some of it is very compelling. I find the game play overall to be quite fun and despite the 'fetch/kill' nature of most of the quests, I still enjoy them. I would easily recommend it to anyone that has a taste for open world RPG style games.

[Addai]

Nizaris1 wrote...
But for me graphic is not primary concern, it is the game play, reading all comments, and watching on you Tube, i still don't get what the game is all about...a quest of hunting dragons and fighting a great dragon in the end? Kill as many monsters like Diablo? It is acceptable if it is like Diablo

If you haven't played an open world RPG before, it's hard to describe what it's about.  It's a huge world and you're meant to go out and discover it.  There is a main quest and there are factions you can join which each have a quest line, but you're really crafting your own character story more than watching an epic told in cutscenes.  There's a lot of combat, exploration of caves, ruins and forts as well as cities and villages, some puzzles, character interaction, crafting which can help you in combat as well as aid in very realistic roleplay.  You can buy houses that you use as home base and can decorate and personalize a bit.  If you get it on PC, there are tons of mods that can help customize the game, as well.

I haven't played Diablo so I can't really tell you how it compares.  The combat is real-time, action based.  You aren't asked to choose a class, but basically there are three classes like most RPGs- warrior, mage and thief.  You make a character based on 7 races and can be male or female.  At the beginning of the game you are a prisoner and then you're thrown into a sort of prison break (trying not to spoil it), after which you're free to roam the game world and do what you will.

The lore is your typical high fantasy world of castles, magic, etc.  Skyrim is a country based loosely on Nordic countries.  It is currently in a civil war so there are some political angles as well as a problem of dragons being loosed after having disappeared for thousands of years.

Hope this helps.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[bussinrounds]

Nizaris1 wrote...



But for me graphic is not primary concern, it is the game play

   You probably won't like it then.

[PaulSX]

it's a better game than oblivion and fallout 3 but still pretty the same. At first it feels so wonderful roaming around the valleys and hills but the fun factor just disappears as the hours go by. I quit the game at around 40 hours and then sold my used PS3 copy on glyde. I'd say Its a pretty good 30 hour game, but it ends up in the toilet after that.

[naughty99]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Thanks guys, i feel i want to take a shot on this game, i am waiting for my RAM, i just order gaming RAM now, Team Dark 2x2GB 1600Mhz DDR3, hope it run well, if not, then at least run well on my other games (i have a lot of games lols, my life is on the PC 24/7)

I think i know what the game-play is like, it is like combination of Diablo and Might and Magic : Dark Messiah

Anyway, thanks all

To give you some more ideas about how the point of the game can be very different for different players, here is a really funny journal about one guy's experience trying to play Skyrim as a character who is not a hero, but just a regular NPC who lives in the world:

The Elder Strolls: Part 1

The Elder Strolls: Part 2

The Elder Strolls: Part 3

The Elder Strolls: Part 4

The Elder Strolls: Part 5

The Elder Strolls: Part 6

The Elder Strolls: Part 7

The Elder Strolls: Part 8

The Elder Strolls: Part 9

The Elder Strolls: Part 10

Modifié par naughty99, 07 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[bandfred]

I say this as a hardcore TES fan who is working on a Morrowind mod to recreate Skyrim; who spent the entire summer of 2006 playing nothing but Oblivion.

Of all the Bethesda games I've played (Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim), this is my second least favorite (I only played 20-30 minutes of Arena before becoming frustrated). While the music is the best yet, the npcs look amazing and faithful to the lore, and the game is a lot more lore friendly than Oblivion was (note:it makes Mass Effect: Deception look good) the game has essentially been gutted to cater to a larger audience and lacks the content of previous games, while padding it with overrated features like marriage and dragons (which I predicted would be the new "Oblivion Gate") imo.

If you like wide open spaces, exploration, good music and finding secrets, this is your type of game.

If you like good stories, characters, or quests, stay away from Skyrim. Instead, get Oblivion; the Dark Brotherhood questline in that game is the best Bethesda has ever done and its SOOOOOO much fun. Quests with tons of different ways of completing them and a lovable band of murderers.

Or better yet, I would highly suggest getting Morrowind. Not only is the Main Quest a lot more interesting IMO, but there's a mod that adds a companion named Julan that meshes seamlessly into the world while being lore friendly. The writing, humor, and drama he adds is better than any Bioware companion I've ever encountered. He comments not only on the Main Quest, but in basically every situation you find yourself in, he has something unique to say. Enter a bar? He wants you to buy him a drink. Enter a Temple/Imperial Fort? He goes into anti-Tribunal/Imperial tirades. A opinionated, prejudiced, arrogant, hilarious, emotional drunk dark elf tribal who I can't play the game without.

Modifié par bandfred, 07 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[Elhanan]

From what little I know, all the TES games are following the same story path, but Skyrim may be a couple of hundred years removed from the last game, based on some things ref in Skyrm itself.

[Elhanan]

Thing is for me, never played the previous TES games; no plans to start. While I own copies of MW and perhaps Oblivion, nothing seen of either appeals to me; even now. Skyrim grabbed me by my collar with the excellent E3 vids, and revealed a world of beauty and detail that could be explored in 1st person or 3rd, and all the things I had as concerns going into the purchase were addressed, save actual experience.

800+ hrs later; am still here.

Note: no water glitches, no backwards dragons, and only a single semi-clad courier in all this time in game. Plus, no bucket exploits either.

[Addai]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I think Morrowind can run on my computer smoothly, it is an old game right? By the way, all these Elder Scrolls series are not related with each other right?

Well they are in the sense that it's the same world and certain historical figures and prophecies are referenced throughout.  Also the deities are pretty much the same, though one or another of them might show up in different ways.  The games are not direct sequels of each other like a Mass Effect or even Dragon Age, however.  They each take place in a different part of the continent of Tamriel.  Skyrim is set about 300 years after the events of Oblivion.

Oblivion is a great game, BTW, definitely worth playing.  I have Morrowind but haven't played it yet.  With graphics mods it looks as good as vanilla Oblivion, but yes it's an older game.  Not fully voiced, for instance.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[chunkyman]

makalathbonagin wrote...

fact is
casual gamers love this game, its a family game nothing more
bah im still raging over how lame and short mages guild quests are <_< that just ruined the game for me

Agreed. There were more quests just to enter the Arcane University than there were in the entire College of Winterhold questline. 

Factions in general were crap in Skyrim.

[Elhanan]

makalathbonagin wrote...

fact is
casual gamers love this game, its a family game nothing more
bah im still raging over how lame and short mages guild quests are <_< that just ruined the game for me

Yes; the Dwemer and Labyrinthian quests that take one to Blackreach are known for their brevity....

However, if one is speaking of finding books and the like, simply avoid them; none are mandatory, and simply offer a chance for further exploration.

[Yrkoon]

Mzulft and Labrynthian are 2 humongous dungeons you must complete to finish the mage guild quest. Each can take hours to finish. And together they represent just a portion of the whole quest line. Not sure how the complaint of "it's too short" comes from. Perhaps when you compare the Mage's guild to the entire rest of the game, which can take several hundred hours to complete, then yes, I imagine it would come across as short. But who the hell thinks with that kind of mindset?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 07 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[HoonDing]

Some people call Skyrim one of the most overrated games of the year. I think they're wrong. It's magnificent, and I'm proud to call it my GOTY.

[Addai]

makalathbonagin wrote...

fact is
casual gamers love this game, its a family game nothing more
bah im still raging over how lame and short mages guild quests are <_< that just ruined the game for me

That... is just stupid.  I've listened to the complaints for a couple months on Bethsoft forums now, all the "waaaah it's not Morrowind," and I try to be sympathetic.  Morrowind sounds like a great game, I plan to play it next in fact, now that I've got the graphics overhaul mod working.  But it's an archaic game with text boxes for god's sake.  Of course they're going to have more content than in a fully voiced game.

The mage guild quest line is short, that's true.  They could have done a lot more with the Psijic Order and put more of what is in the radiant quests (which happen after you reach upper skill levels) as prerequisites to finishing the quest line rather than things that you do afterward.

These are valid criticisms, but "just a family game"?  What the actual f.

[HoonDing]

People whine now that Skyrim is dumbed down compared to Oblivion, just as they whined that Oblivion is dumbed down compared to Morrowind... while Morrowind itself was trashed for coming to Xbox and dumbed down considerably compared to Daggerfall. The rage was even greater considering Bethsoft and their forums were small scale back then compared to now. Yet somehow now it's viewed as some kind of paragon.

Modifié par virumor, 07 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Addai67 wrote...

makalathbonagin wrote...

fact is
casual gamers love this game, its a family game nothing more
bah im still raging over how lame and short mages guild quests are <_< that just ruined the game for me

That... is just stupid.  I've listened to the complaints for a couple months on Bethsoft forums now, all the "waaaah it's not Morrowind," and I try to be sympathetic.  Morrowind sounds like a great game,

You know what? People keep saying TES isn't what it was, but I tell you, it never was what it was.

Morrowind was far from the perfect game. Fine for its time but I for one am glad things have moved on from there.

[xkg]

virumor wrote...

People whine now that Skyrim is dumbed down compared to Oblivion, just as they whined that Oblivion is dumbed down compared to Morrowind... while Morrowind itself was trashed for coming to Xbox and dumbed down considerably compared to Daggerfall. The rage was even greater considering Bethsoft and their forums were small scale back then compared to now. Yet somehow now it's viewed as some kind of paragon.

At least those "whining" people here gave thier reasons why they think one game is better than the other. You on the other hand are b!tching about their opinions not about the game itself - that is very constructive.

And no Morrowind was never great game imo - it was even more boring than Skyrim and it goes like Oblivion>Skyrim>Morrowind. Do you have any theory about that ? Humor me please. 

EDIT: Or better don't. If you got nothing to say about the game itself just BQ please.

Modifié par xkg, 08 mars 2012 - 12:19 .