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[Aynien]

Really? All those dlc aren't enough and now we have microtransactions on the multiplayer?

[Raxxman]

as long as any additional map packs are included free so we don't split the gaming community I'm fine with pay for unlocks really.

Modifié par Raxxman, 06 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[joltmar]

Big deal about the micro-trans in multiplayer

Its not like their getting anything different .. Sure someone could blow big $ and open a billion (just throwing a number out there) boxs and get all the neat stuff they want, but you have to think about this ... Boxes are still random, all boxes can be earned by playing the game .. Money isn't that hard to get if you got a good team .. three bronze games and I got just about enough for the top tier box.

So it boils down to .. wanna do the work and get trolled a lot till you get what you want .. Or spend your hard earn cashed to get trolled till you get what you want

[AveryChim]

I haven't seen it for myself (UK), but I won't mind paying for unlocks that can be achieved through grinding. As long as the cash-shop items are cosmetic or achievable through normal means, I think its totally acceptable.

[joltmar]

AveryChim wrote...

I haven't seen it for myself (UK), but I won't mind paying for unlocks that can be achieved through grinding. As long as the cash-shop items are cosmetic or achievable through normal means, I think its totally acceptable.

Asuming you played the demo, what they're doing is letting us buy the boxes you can get with in-game money with real $ so there for people that don't wanna grind their faces off can just buy the boxes with cash and hope they get what they want... myself I'm gonna grind my face off till I can't see anymore

Modifié par joltmar, 06 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[Thunderfurby]

joltmar wrote...

AveryChim wrote...

I haven't seen it for myself (UK), but I won't mind paying for unlocks that can be achieved through grinding. As long as the cash-shop items are cosmetic or achievable through normal means, I think its totally acceptable.

Asuming you played the demo, what they're doing is letting us buy the boxes you can get with in-game money with real $ so there for people that don't wanna grind their faces off can just buy the boxes with cash and hope they get what they want... myself I'm gonna grind my face off till I can't see anymore

If the only way to buy packs was with cash then your complaining might hold some weight, however it's not so just don't buy packs with cash, problem solved.

It's an option for people that do want to use it, they don't get anything you can't get from the credit packs.

[Piarath]

Honestly, as many others have said, so long as nothing in the shop becomes a cash exclusive buy I really couldn't care less. It's just offering the same thing we can all get, but with less actual gameplay time involved. For those who don't have hours to spend playing it to grind their way through random unlocks (I have more of a problem with the randomness than the micro-transaction), it's actually not a bad idea (and I find that if someone wants to gamble their money away doing THAT, it's their prerogative; I spent my last 80BWP on a vet pack and, trust me, you don't get anything special nor does it raise your chances, not that I can tell at all). Given that it's random, I can see how it even works out.

It's not a bad way to help them keep it 'alive' a little longer. Honestly, I just can't figure getting worked up over it.

[Aynien]

I don't have a problem with the microtransaction per say. My main problem is how they are trying to milk the community in every way possible... it's just an absurd. I didn't minded the dlc, or the different kinds of pre-order bonus, but add all it together and draw the big picture...we as consumer need to step up and say this an abusive pratice. If we just let it be, they will do it again, and next time it will be worse...

[Zhriver]

I'm not a fan of it either,for a full feature game like this I find it to be cheap move.

[Dec4denc3]

Yeah, the moment I saw the way you unlock things in the demo, I knew they'd do this to try and milk more money from us. It's not so bad, though, since it's optional. If you got some extra money and don't mind supporting EA/BW, you can get stuff faster. If you don't, just play the game and unlock things with credits.

Now, I'd absolutely hate it if the multiplayer would be PvP, but since it's co-op, I can tolerate it.

[Moose Invictus]

Aynien wrote...

I don't have a problem with the microtransaction per say. My main problem is how they are trying to milk the community in every way possible... it's just an absurd. I didn't minded the dlc, or the different kinds of pre-order bonus, but add all it together and draw the big picture...we as consumer need to step up and say this an abusive pratice. If we just let it be, they will do it again, and next time it will be worse...

Keep in mind that Bioware spent a Hollywood blockbuster sized budget on this and yet the base game sells for the same retail price as a brand new NEs game in its era - $6p?  Even though production values have increased and pirating has become all too common, we stiil complain about patronage.

[AveryChim]

Aynien wrote...

I don't have a problem with the microtransaction per say. My main problem is how they are trying to milk the community in every way possible... it's just an absurd. I didn't minded the dlc, or the different kinds of pre-order bonus, but add all it together and draw the big picture...we as consumer need to step up and say this an abusive pratice. If we just let it be, they will do it again, and next time it will be worse...

Well, I won't really consider this milking us... Its completely optional and in fact a bit silly since its fairly easy to gain credits on MP (given that its not too different from the demo), and you're actually paying money to play the game less? Not using cash in MP detracts nothing from the game... for now...

While I do agree that EA is treating ME3 as it's cash cow with all the random bits of DLC scattered around, the MP 'cash shop' isn't bad at all... for now...

Btw, I would pay for alternate costumes for my MP characters if they were good.

[stysiaq]

I love the sudden switch from "Shut up and take my money" attitude to "OMG BioWare wants me milked", especially, when you just have the possibility to pay for your impatience.

Its not like your bills are higher but you are entitled to an extra spectre pack per month.

[Thoragoros]

joltmar wrote...

So it boils down to .. wanna do the work and get trolled a lot till you get what you want .. Or spend your hard earn cashed to get trolled till you get what you want

And yet this is for a game I just paid for!  So basically, in order to unlock anything ia  timely manner in the MP, I have to pay more than the full price of the game?  Seriously?

It is different when a game like Team Fortress 2 does this, because Team Fortress 2 is free to play, ME3 just cost 60 dollars!

[Mizar_Panzar]

I dont mind, it's a co-op game anyway so whoever wants to waste money on that can just do as they please.

[Thoragoros]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

I dont mind, it's a co-op game anyway so whoever wants to waste money on that can just do as they please.

Except that the unlocks are completely random, with better chances of unlocks going to those who pay more.  If it was a leveled system, fine, at least I know what it takes to unlock stuff.  In the current system, the devs control through random algorithms how long it takes me to unlock my items as opposed to my level or skill at the game.  

Therefore, the devs are free to penalize those who do not hand out extra money for unlocks by reducing the unlock chance on the veteran/recruit packs as opposed to paid packs.

In other words, I have to waste my time now with random veteran/recruit packs because I don't want to pay more than the full price of the game for MP-component!  That is just wrong.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 06 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[eternalshiva]

Yes, because hosting full servers for thousands of people for free for x amount of years is cheap and the money they make off initial game sales and DLC is going to keep that part of MP alive that whole times. [/sarcasm]

It's not a service you HAVE to buy, it's an option. You can still get it for free.

Seriously, its like you think BW owes the player because they bought one or three game over 6 years. If you want the service to stay alive and active, they have to make the money / profit to keep it open and justify keeping it open for as long as there is interest.

It's not rocket science, it's business logic. BW is a business, not a buddy who wants to share his games with the player while the player keeps it forever and they just smile and nod.

The purchased packs are for the people how don't have time to grind / can't be bothered to grind for the same exact crap the dedicated player will get with a couple silver / gold matches. You don't have to buy it, the MP is not something that will change the game outcome, it's there for fun.

Some people can't be bothered, just like facebook apps to purchase crap to advance your crappy Flash game characters. Just like WoW sells gold on their own site, special mounts, character changes, race changes, faction changes.

You want a shortcut, you pay for it.

Helps if you read what BioWare writes / replies in the threads, instead of instantly assuming they're out to screw you over or jumping to conclusions when people can't be bothered to read the instructions.

It will be a lot less painful for the rest of us posters who understand the basics of economics if you immediately accept the notion that BioWare is a business. They are interested in money, they didn't make the games for free or with the purpose to give it away to the community.

Sh*t.
Edit - Typoes FML.

Modifié par Liedral, 06 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Thoragoros]

Liedral wrote...

Yes, because hosting full servers for thousands of people for free for x amount of years is cheap and the money they make off initial game sales and DLC is going to keep that part of MP alive that whole times. [/sarcasm]

It's not a service you HAVE to buy, it's an option. You can still get it for free.

Seriously, its like you think BW owes the player because they bought one or three game over 6 years. If you want the service to stay alive and active, they have to make the money / profit to keep it open and justify keeping it open for as long as there is interest.

It's not rocket science, it's business logic. BW is a business, not a buddy who wants to share his games with the player while the player keeps it forever and they just smile and nod.

The purchased packs are for the people how don't have time to grind / can't be bothered to grind for the same exact crap the dedicated player will get with a couple silver / gold matches. You don't have to buy it, the MP is not something that will change the game outcome, it's there for fun.

Some people can't be bothered, just like facebook apps to purchase crap to advance your crappy Flash game characters. Just like WoW sells gold on their own site, special mounts, character changes, race changes, faction changes.

You want a shortcut, you pay for it.

Helps if you read what BioWare writes / replies in the threads, instead of instantly assuming they're out to screw you over or jumping to conclusions when people can't be bothered to read the instructions.

It will be a lot less painful for the rest of us posters who understand the basics of economics if you immediately accept the notion that BioWare is a business. They are interested in money, they didn't make the games for free or with the purpose to give it away to the community.

Sh*t.
Edit - Typoes FML.

 'Buds sharing?'  Seriously?  I just paid $60 for the game, $10 for the Ash DLC, plus I have an XBL account I pay for annually, I have more than paid for the 'right' to use the product I just bought. This isn't Team Fortress 2 where you pay for the game via purchases from the online store, Team Fortress 2 is free to play, ME3 on the other hand was far from free. 

It simply isn't right that I have to pay to unlock items in a game I just paid for, with the Devs penalizing your unlock chances in the free veteran/recruit packs.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 06 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Mizar_Panzar]

Thoragoros wrote...

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

I dont mind, it's a co-op game anyway so whoever wants to waste money on that can just do as they please.

Except that the unlocks are completely random, with better chances of unlocks going to those who pay more.  If it was a leveled system, fine, at least I know what it takes to unlock stuff.  In the current system, the devs control through random algorithms how long it takes me to unlock my items as opposed to my level or skill at the game.  

Therefore, the devs are free to penalize those who do not hand out extra money for unlocks by reducing the unlock chance on the veteran/recruit packs as opposed to paid packs.

In other words, I have to waste my time now with random veteran/recruit packs because I don't want to pay more than the full price of the game for MP-component!  That is just wrong.

And? Isn't it exactly the reason why people are paying for it?

Those who pay the money not because of the fancy in-game pixel guns, they pay money to save the time grinding to those pixel guns. You can pay for the time saved, or you don't. It is your choice.

[Xenolithium]

People are shocked by this? I actually called it during the Demo.

You see that big red circle with white letters in the bottom right hand corner of the game cover? Yeah, no surprise here.

[Valcutio]

Yeah, I figured they would pull this. It's just another sign that we're little more than virtual money symbols running around a virtual piggy-bank.

Ah well.

[Habi33]

Just as long they don't pull some 'oohoohoh magic exclusive box buy today, ONLY WITH BIOWARE POINTS' crap I don't mind.

[Kantham]

Raxxman wrote...

as long as any additional map packs are included free so we don't split the gaming community I'm fine with pay for unlocks really.

This. 

But unfortunately that's not how it will happen. additional maps, enemies, weapons ETC will be paid content. 

[Raxxman]

Kantham wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

as long as any additional map packs are included free so we don't split the gaming community I'm fine with pay for unlocks really.

This. 

But unfortunately that's not how it will happen. additional maps, enemies, weapons ETC will be paid content. 

Guy can dream 

[joltmar]

Thoragoros wrote...

Liedral wrote...

Yes, because hosting full servers for thousands of people for free for x amount of years is cheap and the money they make off initial game sales and DLC is going to keep that part of MP alive that whole times. [/sarcasm]

It's not a service you HAVE to buy, it's an option. You can still get it for free.

Seriously, its like you think BW owes the player because they bought one or three game over 6 years. If you want the service to stay alive and active, they have to make the money / profit to keep it open and justify keeping it open for as long as there is interest.

It's not rocket science, it's business logic. BW is a business, not a buddy who wants to share his games with the player while the player keeps it forever and they just smile and nod.

The purchased packs are for the people how don't have time to grind / can't be bothered to grind for the same exact crap the dedicated player will get with a couple silver / gold matches. You don't have to buy it, the MP is not something that will change the game outcome, it's there for fun.

Some people can't be bothered, just like facebook apps to purchase crap to advance your crappy Flash game characters. Just like WoW sells gold on their own site, special mounts, character changes, race changes, faction changes.

You want a shortcut, you pay for it.

Helps if you read what BioWare writes / replies in the threads, instead of instantly assuming they're out to screw you over or jumping to conclusions when people can't be bothered to read the instructions.

It will be a lot less painful for the rest of us posters who understand the basics of economics if you immediately accept the notion that BioWare is a business. They are interested in money, they didn't make the games for free or with the purpose to give it away to the community.

Sh*t.
Edit - Typoes FML.

 'Buds sharing?'  Seriously?  I just paid $60 for the game, $10 for the Ash DLC, plus I have an XBL account I pay for annually, I have more than paid for the 'right' to use the product I just bought. This isn't Team Fortress 2 where you pay for the game via purchases from the online store, Team Fortress 2 is free to play, ME3 on the other hand was far from free. 

It simply isn't right that I have to pay to unlock items in a game I just paid for, with the Devs penalizing your unlock chances in the free veteran/recruit packs.

Lets see TF2 wasn't always free to play, I paid for it when it came out, ITS STILL not free to play if you look at it .. you get weapons crates ... GUESS what, you pay for the keys .. And they have a random weapon/hat/bull**** in it .. Or you can just gasp.. grind your little happy head off in the game .. hope for the right weapons drops to make what you want ... or trade with people to get what you want.


Pretty much the same **** going on here ya know? Save for the fact you can't trade anything


And about the other items? Pretty much any big title game gets a silly keyboard, mouse ... stuff made for it .. So what if bioware wanted tack something to it ... They probly wouldn't have seen a dime from the mouse/keyoboard and some of the other sutff.. but razer was like Hey, I'll give you this % if you find a way to help us make our me3 stuff sell better.

So big deal that they wanted to do that, THEY need to make money, they are gave us a great game, with great multi-player and need money to keep servers online


I looked at these other items, .. Collectors rifle? .. Big deal I didn't even use it in me2 and "didn't" buy anything from that game or but the game

The action figure/toys?

We've actually gotten some clarification on what the content will be. It's a Reinforcement Pack for Mass Effect 3's Multiplayer Mode, which contains a randomized variety of character race and class unlocks, weapons and weapon modifications, ammo, power and health consumables, and more.[/b] 

Lookie.. A box.. that has stuff that you can unlock in the actually MP big.. fliping ... deal

Modifié par joltmar, 06 mars 2012 - 10:30 .