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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

SE JN wrote...
Honest, I am okay with TWO options.

If they say "Hey, we didn't realize, our bad, more is coming."

OR

"We left it up to you, AND WILL NOT BE RETCONNING YOUR PERSONAL ENDING YOU HAVE HEADCANNON/ATTRIBUTED EVER."

Eithrt way, Ill be happy with he first, begrudginly content with the other.


I'm afraid they'll go like most devs:
"We are very happy with the endings." and then justify them, without getting into details that would please us.


Yeah, that would be disappointing. But if the rest of the world gets the game, beats it, and then becomes infuriated by the lack of closure, then I doubt Bioware would ignore that.

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GRPHC said it perfectly.

I invested a lot of real world time and energy into my Shepard. I became invested in the story and enthralled by the characters.

And then, out of nowhere, it turns mystical and bleak. I, personifying myself as Shepard, feel incredibly upset. My (his) love interest is thousands, if not millions, of light years away from you with no hope of ever seeing me (him) again. So much has been sacrificed and you get no break, no matter how well you did. From the get-go, Shepard loses. Even if he survives, he loses his friends and loved ones.

I expected more choice, is all. Which I'm sure is what most people are really upset about.

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After the years of loving this series....

The good times, the bad, spent with my amazing shipmates... All concluded.

The ending serioulsy made me cry my eyes out... Because i knew it was all over :(
After Shepard dreamed about the kid for the first time... I just knew this series was going to end badly. Despite all my efforts. But i pressed on, as Shepard would.

For a situation like this, i can see why these endings exist. War is hell, and costly. The price of victory was too high, i think. But the survival of the current cycle continues now. I just hope my Shepards sacrifce is never forgotten to all those i brought together. May all the races find someway to reach each other again someday. And i hope they don't hate me for turning them into half machine!

Sorry, i just beat the game a few minutes ago. I'm super emotinal at the moment T_T

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If somebody want a realistic war, he can go to Iraq or Afghanistan, there he will get it. But war in a space opera don't need to be a realistic one and should have happy ending at last. Btw: I hate war and I would never play a war shooter.

Modifié par Prince_Valiant, 08 mars 2012 - 09:24 .


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This I how I see it, (my gameplay) I play through ME1 and ME2 with paragon rep, ok I live through them both, ME3 drops I'm more excited then a kid with $100 dollars in a candy shop, I drop in 46 hours of my time to hopefully see this amazing ending (with from ashes DLC) I get to the end and I'm thinking wtf? 2 endings Shepard sacrifices him/herself, and in 1 you kill all synthetic life, I'm still thinking at this point wtf? I helped save the geth and saved the quarians and made peace just to kill all synthetic life? What was the point in saving them then? for the other two I'm thinking ok I played through ME1 and ME2 and saved the council and practically humanity for what Shepard to die? Just the ending really was upsetting to me because I was hoping like in every other ME Shepard would live and hoping that galactic peace would exist crossing out the fact of destroying all mass relays

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Before the ending mass effect 3 was the best video game i've played in the last 5 years after the ending i rank it behind Arkham city and skryim...So regardless of the ending i choose the mass relays still got destroyed. After realizing this i proceeded to youtube to search up the other endings and they are all equally gloomy and lack closure. I thought that my galactic readiness was too low, but nope all these endings are just frustrating.Turns out all the choises i've made over the last 5 freaking years didn't even matter.

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Parker Stephenson

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Im lost on why joker was even in the mass relay system to begin with, EDI had just used the Normandy guidance system to help destroy a reaper less then 10 minutes before the game ending, joker and the Normandy should have been by earth

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i liked the endings actually and i like the aspect that it doesnt explain everything to you in the end as it leaves some room for imagination, i would honestly prefer though if normandy was destroyed because it adds to much issues to all the endings, and also why did i spend hours to get the war assets to max? being the main goal of the game it sure lacks purpose

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J5550123 wrote...

I thought the game was fantastic and would have been a 10/10 for me, except the ending/s ruined it. I agree with the general complaints that it was like your choices didn't matter, and for me I thought it was too depressing. I wanted to have at least one ending where Shepard got to walk off into the sunset with his love interest and live happily ever after. I have no idea how Bioware can fix this; with patches or downloadable content, but I really hope they respond to this problem soon.


Same boat here.   Fighting for life (even synethetic life) go self determinate; and to be with my LI after it was all over.
My idea of the 'best' ending would have involved synthesis, but the mass relays didn't explode and Shepard lives to join up with his/her friends.  Or is at least stranded with them and/or his/her LI.  Process of rebuilding civilization everywhere begins, bleakly, with a hint of hope.
sigh

Edit: Same as what I just wrote, but with everyone stranded in the sol system probably would have been equally nice.

Modifié par JediNg, 08 mars 2012 - 10:03 .


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Ok , I usually do not participate in forum discussions but I just feel the need to express myself this time.

Let me start by saying that I loved the game. Ever since I bought the original Mass Effect knew Bioware had something special. I played through ME and ME2 multiple times, clocking around 150 hours of gameplay on each of them. I waited so eagerly for ME3, replaying the first 2 games over and over making sure I made all the right choices so that my ME3 experience would really be mine. I wanted to see how it all ends. I preodered my collectors edition as soon as preorders became availible and waited. I did not cancel my preorder on the grounds of DLC controversy, I told myself, its Bioware and Mass Effect,´, its going to be amazing (because as far as I´m concerned, DA2 never happened), i´d buy From the Ashes anyway. 

And then the time came. I was so happy that I can finally kick some reaper ass that I sat through it for 30 hours nonstop. And I loved it. Even though it did not deliver for me on the RPG side of things like the other 2 games (primarily the first one of course) did. I loved the gameplay, I loved the story (even though there were things that made very little sense to me), loved the characters, loved pretty much everythig. I was trully bent on proclaiming this to be the best game of the year and I would have sticked to that claim (even though its still only march, lol).

And then came the last 15 minutes. I thought fighting regular mob waves and then shooting some missles at the reaper was a nice way to start the ending. But shortly after I realized that that was it, no proper boss battle. ME1 had 2 phase fight with Saren, transforming into this ridiculous embodyment of Sovereign, I loved it, ME2 had a giant big-arse human-reaper hybrid, and some mob waves, ME3 only has the mob waves. I said to myself ok, surely after this there must be something epic coming, I mean its the end of the trilogy. A trilogy that is by far one of my favourite Sci-fi sagas ever. I am not kidding, I would place ME universe right up there with Star Wars or Star Trek (my 2 all time favourites). Then I ran to the beam. Not even mentioning the fact that the reaper fired it so slowly that had it not been for the apparent auto aim on my Shep, any one and their mother would have been able to avoid it, I went to the citadel.

One of the first things Anderson says to me is, hey, maybe they are rebuilding the human reaper again. I thought hey, wouldnt that be epic. Instead I got TIM, (dont get me wrond, I tohught the character was good). Was he good enough/or should I say bad enough to be the final antagonist of the trilogy? For me, deffinitely not. Especially when I saw what they stored for us in the 2 previous games. There was not even a single minute of proper combat against him, just a few lines of dialogue and a renegade option to insta kill him (could not get the last paragon option but I am assuming that will only make him kill himself). Ok so I saved Anderson, had a litthe chat with him as we watched the Earth burn bellow us. That was epic I thought. That particular scene was done masterfully. The only thing that was missing for me was a radio communication with my squadmates and my LI (Liara in my case).

At that point I was still hoping that the game will deliver on my expectations. It felt good to finally be at the end and stop the reapers. And then.......Deus Ex happened. Every single choice I made throughout the series was effectively for nothing and I got filled with emptiness. Is this really the end for the 5 year long journey of the epic story? Something that is effectively "press one of these 3 buttons and see what happens" deal? No closure, more questions raised than answered, stupid synthetic vs. organic thing that has been rehashed time and time again in god knows how many titles already (and dont get me wrong, I think that Deus Ex is THE best action RPG that exists) and the end of the galactic civilization as we know it. Wasn´t that the exact thing I as a Shep tried so hard to prevent? Mass relays offline or destroyed, my crew left to die on a remote planet, my LI among them, the biggest fleet in hystory stranded in the local cluster and countless people scattered across the galaxy without the slightest chance of ever seeing their loved ones ever again (and yes you can argue we still have the FTL drive, but do you actually realize how was the galaxy is and how long it would take for a ship to cross from one star cluster to another? Simply not possible without nothing less than the fabled Prothean stasis pod).

Let me just say it right here and right now, I would love a perfect happy ending yes. But I do not necessarily require it. What I do need is an ending that I would feel I had a part in. Not the "oh hi, you did all these cool things to save the civilization, united the geth with quarians, cured the genophage, destroyed the collector base, stopped the invasion twice and delayed it for 3 years, but you know what, nobody gives a ****, here, press ze bottan". And a closure for my Shep, Yes, kill of my squadmates, even kill me but let me feel it was not for nothing. Show me how galaxy rebuilds itself, how people are recovering how life is flourishing again (because thats what happens after a war right?), not some retarded scene where I get to know that, after all these years, it was all pretty much a story told by some completely unknown stranger to some completely unknown kid (and yes i know its just a game and nothing is real blah blah).

This could have been Biowares magnum opus, solidifying their position as by far the number one story teller in the business. Instead, it was a big dissapointment. At least for me anyway.

So to sum it all up, do I regret buying the game? I do not. The game itself is amazing. Do I feel this is the worst ending to any story ever? Damn right I do. People say get over it, look at things like the Game of Thrones, that had characters killed. Yes, but if you actually read the entire Song of Ice and fire series, you´d know you cannot really compare the two. Not to mention Martin didn´t even finish the story yet. 

As it stands, Bioware killed any and every desire to relpay my beloved Mass Effect. All of them, not just the last one. I do hope they will fix it, bring a proper epilogue and more ending options in the DLC. I would be willing to pay for that. Yes I would be.

But untill then, Bioware in all its former glory if effectively dead to me.


PS: Sorry for the wall of text and for my bad english but then again, if you did not want to read it, then why did you.

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Well seem am not the only one who didn love the planet of the ape ending :P

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The last 20 minutes of ME3 ruined this entire ride for me.

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wicked_being wrote...

I wonder if they'll pull a Broken Steel dlc on us.


I hope for that too, I remenber Fallout 3 crapy ending's, and... well fans complain and complain and they did get a DLC to correct that :)

I really like the game, but the endings...... thats depressing!!!! All the work we got for nothing!

Cmon BIOWARE.... look at the facts...

...I mean, if was only 1 or 2 persons complaining about the endings, but is everybody!!! 



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Modifié par Charsi, 08 mars 2012 - 10:45 .


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Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the "best" ending because it's ambiguous enough that I can say "My Shepard survived and was later found by her crew"

I think people took the vague nature of the endings and interpreted them far, far too literally.

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Agent911 wrote...

The last 20 minutes of ME3 ruined this entire ride for me.


Yeah.  More or less.  Not entire ride in my case - but just that whole unnecessary 'god,' and that it all the decisions involve confining us yet again.  No mass relays, no tech.  'Control' ending seems to avoid both of those, but you still have the reapers around.

Plus the your crew back on the normandy somehow.  If they were in fact in the mass relay, they must have been in flight for some time to get the Charon relay.  lol.

Edit: where was my final confrontation with Harbinger?  All I get is the reaper beam blast nearly vapourizing me before Harbinger flies off lol.

Modifié par JediNg, 08 mars 2012 - 11:14 .


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I finished a NG+ play through last night (got the game early) and the only thing that was different was that I unlocked a paragon option when talking to TIM at the end. Shephard manages to speak TIM into knowing that he is indoctrinated and TIM shoots himself in the side of the head. Everything after that was the same.

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iSpitfireee wrote...

I finished a NG+ play through last night (got the game early) and the only thing that was different was that I unlocked a paragon option when talking to TIM at the end. Shephard manages to speak TIM into knowing that he is indoctrinated and TIM shoots himself in the side of the head. Everything after that was the same.

LOL, but thanks for giving us the information. :)

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iSpitfireee wrote...

I finished a NG+ play through last night (got the game early) and the only thing that was different was that I unlocked a paragon option when talking to TIM at the end. Shephard manages to speak TIM into knowing that he is indoctrinated and TIM shoots himself in the side of the head. Everything after that was the same.


Are you sure it wasn't just you not having enough reputation on your first game? I doubt the NG+ is the making TIM shoot himself. Others have done it on the first try I think?

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Prince_Valiant wrote...

iSpitfireee wrote...

I finished a NG+ play through last night (got the game early) and the only thing that was different was that I unlocked a paragon option when talking to TIM at the end. Shephard manages to speak TIM into knowing that he is indoctrinated and TIM shoots himself in the side of the head. Everything after that was the same.

LOL, but thanks for giving us the information. :)

Saren 2.0 <_< Got that option in my first playthrough, not NG+ related but your reputation.

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I never understood this "The game's last 15 invalidated everything I did."

No it didn't, it's just like ME1 and 2. Regardless of the decisions and choices you make, you're presented with a selection of endings. How successful you are at getting that ending (at least in ME2) depended on other choices, but overall the choices remained the same.

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I think the problem is more that since it's the end of a series/storyline, if there's ANY time for them to reflect the decisions you've made, it is then.

And they didn't reflect a damn thing.

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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

iSpitfireee wrote...

I finished a NG+ play through last night (got the game early) and the only thing that was different was that I unlocked a paragon option when talking to TIM at the end. Shephard manages to speak TIM into knowing that he is indoctrinated and TIM shoots himself in the side of the head. Everything after that was the same.


Are you sure it wasn't just you not having enough reputation on your first game? I doubt the NG+ is the making TIM shoot himself. Others have done it on the first try I think?


I just finished my first playthrough and could get TIM to shoot himself in the head so no its not that lol

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There are several issues. I'd like to point ONE of them. Why and how synthetic life just vanishes when I choose the "destroy". If Shepard can survive the "Destroy" ending, considering the Lazarus Project used Reaper tech to rebuild him, why should the Geth and EDI be destroyed too? You would say "Because both Geth and EDI uses reaper tech." But as I said, Shepard too. Yet he can survive.
Can someone explain the logic behind it to me? I think I'm too stupid to understand it by myself.

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Can someone explain the logic behind it to me? I think I'm too stupid to understand it by myself.


The endings are terribly lacking in sense, thoroughness, and satisfaction.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

I never understood this "The game's last 15 invalidated everything I did."

No it didn't, it's just like ME1 and 2. Regardless of the decisions and choices you make, you're presented with a selection of endings. How successful you are at getting that ending (at least in ME2) depended on other choices, but overall the choices remained the same.


Of course it did.  I don't expect you to understand this since you seem to apologize for every BW misstep these days, but honesty, without the mass relays, the galaxy falls into a new dark age at best.  The mass relays are essential for galactic civilization as presented in the ME universe and ALL possible choices destroy this and with it the game world.

Without that game world, then nothing else you have chosen in the game matters.  At all.

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