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[tangalin]

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

Well, that settles it. I am going to make that. I'm a programmer, I have an (admittedly small) dev team, and its going to bloody happen one way or another. If Bioware doesn't like it, they can sic their lawyers on me. At least I will be able to have a proper ending (and the adoration and worship of ME players the world over) before being sued to death!

[Almostfaceman]

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

Yes. I agree, as I pointed out in my post, Shepard spends the entire story fighting for self-determination of humanity, if not all sapient beings. This would be entirely in-character.

If you're brave enough to tick us all off with this ending Bioware, maybe you're brave enough to own up to this mistake of an ending and make right. Who knows.

[tangalin]

Faraborne wrote...

Parker Stephenson wrote...

I think we all should collaborate on actually doing something about this, because we all love this game series, we all agree that something needs to be done, so let's come up with an idea to take action about it! (just as your created Shepard would do)

Is there a talented web designer on this forum?  We could all join an organization and send a petition to Bioware.  Hell, we could even all show up in front of Bioware's offices.  Road trip anyone?

I have I'm a programmer, can't do art worth crap, but I can make code sing. What's your idea?

[Jhon Flash]

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Hate it or like it you can way in here.
This thread was started by BioWare.

Modifié par Jhon Flash, 09 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[Almostfaceman]

tangalin wrote...

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

*snip*

Well, that settles it. I am going to make that. I'm a programmer, I have an (admittedly small) dev team, and its going to bloody happen one way or another. If Bioware doesn't like it, they can sic their lawyers on me. At least I will be able to have a proper ending (and the adoration and worship of ME players the world over) before being sued to death!

I for one will donate to this. Do it. And thanks.

[Iam2ugly]

Oo what rage. Wait... the rage is justified.

[IronSabbath88]

I wouldn't be opposed to new endings. I just don't expect them to come.

I like the game, regardless of the endings. But still, anything that adds to the game is fine by me.

[Parker Stephenson]

I have I'm a programmer, can't do art worth crap, but I can make code sing. What's your idea?

The whole 3 choices in the end just needs to be rid of, make it a simple 2 no gray areas black and white specifically, 1st choice destroying the reapers (paragon choice) with a high enough war asset count your character lives, 2nd choice reaper control (renegade choice) if you wish to control the reapers your characters physical look is transformed you don't die though, but with this come a heavy burden you must sacrifice your squad mates, realize this is my outlook on it but I do like the refusal idea reminds me a lot of DA:O's god temple when your put through the test 

[Parker Stephenson]

And no mass relays are destroyed either, after the battle a little bit of interactive cinematic's would be nice or even like an hour total of gameplay after on earth seeing it rebuild characters and eaches future, your LI and your future, all these need to be laid out and I'll tell you the ending needs to deliver that everything you did was worth it sense of accomplishment 

Modifié par Parker Stephenson, 09 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[legionaireshen]

tangalin wrote...

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

Well, that settles it. I am going to make that. I'm a programmer, I have an (admittedly small) dev team, and its going to bloody happen one way or another. If Bioware doesn't like it, they can sic their lawyers on me. At least I will be able to have a proper ending (and the adoration and worship of ME players the world over) before being sued to death!

I think this could branch to 5 endings
below 5k reaper crashing victory and destory crucible, shep dies
5k-6k reaper wins but normandy make a suicide run to the reaper that are going to destroy the crucible, shep use the time to go for red ending
6k-7k organic wins but take too much time, all the squad member and crew die, and shep bleed to death
7k-8k organic wins, crew and squad survived, but still take too much time and shep bleed to death
8k+ happy ending

Modifié par Legionaire-Shen, 09 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[astrophyzcs]

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

I'd like to touch your friend in a totally inappropriate manner. This would be perfect. 

[Faraborne]

tangalin wrote...

Faraborne wrote...

Parker Stephenson wrote...

I think we all should collaborate on actually doing something about this, because we all love this game series, we all agree that something needs to be done, so let's come up with an idea to take action about it! (just as your created Shepard would do)

Is there a talented web designer on this forum?  We could all join an organization and send a petition to Bioware.  Hell, we could even all show up in front of Bioware's offices.  Road trip anyone?

I have I'm a programmer, can't do art worth crap, but I can make code sing. What's your idea?

Considering I'm leaving with the military again soon I can't really do anything.  I was hoping to inspire people such as yourself for action--I'm glad it seems I did.

My first thought was something along the lines of the crowbar deal with Valve (when Half-Life fans all sent a crowbar to Valve's main office).  Maybe, if we're not going to be playing ME3 (like me), we could all send our copies of ME3 to Bioware's offices, as if to say: "here, take this back.  We don't want it the way it is."

An independent website/blog to coordinate all of this would be awesome.

[Faraborne]

Legionaire-Shen wrote...

tangalin wrote...

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

Well, that settles it. I am going to make that. I'm a programmer, I have an (admittedly small) dev team, and its going to bloody happen one way or another. If Bioware doesn't like it, they can sic their lawyers on me. At least I will be able to have a proper ending (and the adoration and worship of ME players the world over) before being sued to death!

I think this could branch to 5 endings
below 5k reaper crashing victory and destory crucible, shep dies
5k-6k reaper wins but normandy make a suicide run to the reaper that are going to destroy the crucible, shep use the time to go for red ending
6k-7k organic wins but take too much time, all the squad member and crew die, and shep bleed to death
7k-8k organic wins, crew and squad survived, but still take too much time and shep bleed to death
8k+ happy ending

This sounds very feasible, as well as a good idea.  I also thought of one possible solution.  The Guardian entity resides within the Citadel right?  Its existence depends upon the existence of the Citadel.  Also, the Reapers are mere servants of the Guardian and would be lost without it right?  So, use the Crucible to destroy the Citadel!  Maybe that's what the Protheans were planning to do with it anyway, but couldn't since they were never able to beat back the Reapers enough to get to the Citadel.  Makes sense to me...

And the happy ending could be that if you reached 8k+ Joker manages to save you from the Citadel before it blows up.  If below, Shepherd dies in the explosion.  This would also be awesome since we would get to see a kick-ass explosion! lol

I also think this would work very well considering that now all life in the Galaxy--organic and synthetic--are free to self-determine their fate free from the influence of the Guardian/Reapers.  Who knows what will happen now in the Galaxy!  And oh, btw Bioware, this would be an excellent set-up for your future plans for the Mass Effect universe.  Consider an MMO 3rd person shooter (ME3 MP style) just without the Citadel.  Choose your race and explore the Galaxy of Mass Effect free from all outisde influence...

That would be Mass Effect.

[Foulpancake]

Valadras21 wrote...

Just beat the game and the only thing I feel is rage and disgust.

I wish I'd never played this series, that's how FOS the ending is. I wish I'd never gotten so invested in the characters and the story. What a pathetic waste.

I love these games. I don't live a glamorous life. I'm stuck in a tough situation, small family, barely any friends. Because of that, Shepard and the people on his squad have a dear place in my heart. Shepard feels like an extension of me. I think back on all the great fights, my squad (who feel just as much like friends to me, as the do to my Shep), and the love shared between my Shepard and Tali. I felt alive when I got to experience those things. Shepard's emotions were my emotions, and vice-versa.

Now I just feel like my heart turned to stone, I feel physically numb, and I don't want to care about anything right now.

Do you know what i did this morning? I overslept for work because i stayed up until 3:30am because the final confrontation was so epic i just had to finish it.

On the way to work i turned off my radio, i wasn't in the mood. At work i was short with customers. I bought a 4 taco meal at taco bell and could only eat 2 because my appetite was just gone. It took my almost 2 hours to close the store because my heart just was not in it.

I'll tell you why, because Bioware has ripped out my heart and left me bleeding on the floor, and just make it hurt even more, they cleaned my blood off their hands with the $80 i spent on my CE of ME3.

I have never felt this level of betrayal

Much like the poster i quoted, i do not enjoy my life terribly much. I hate my job, hate my house, my love life is non existant, even my pet rats don't really seem to like me. Games have always been a good outlet for me to escape, and until approx 16hrs ago, this series was my holy grail. I loved the ME universe, and i have always told my friends that Bioware games are the only games that i will buy collectors editions because i want to support the company, the team, and see they continue making games like they have always done.

Then came 16hrs ago

For 5 years i have enjoyed this series, i have replayed ME1 and ME2 over and over until i could run through missions with my eyes closed. Somewhere along the way a funny thing happened, while my Shepard fell in love with Liara T'soni, i think somewhere a little piece of me did too. An avid "evil" choices player i found my self choosing good because i did not want to disappoint her, she shaped the Shepard i played time and again. Even when she turned the cold shoulder in ME2 for a while, i still thought "what would Liara think of me if she knew i did this". That's the kind power this series had possessed

The story and the rekindled romance in ME3 warmed my heart, every step towards being together again i got happier and happier, then love was declared and shown. Her gift before the final battle was amazingly touching. Then the Reapers beam hit. I stood over her unmoving body for maybe 10 minutes, waiting for her to get up and accompany me into the teleport device, but she never did. I proceeding thinking to myself "when i win, she'll show up on the normandy to grab me off an exploding citadel and its ride off into the sunset time"

I finally make it to the fateful "choice" and 10 minutes later i'm still staring at the screen in horrid disbelief...

I figure i'll sleep it off and just say "whatever", but it doesn't happen. I feel so empty inside right now, i loved the universe, my ship, my crew, my friends. I loved the memories i had with them, the hard fought battles, the truimphs and the losses all felt profoundly. Like the Valadras said, i felt alive, i felt happy while enjoying these adventures with my friends and crew, and with a surprisingly fulfilling romance.

Now i just feel dead inside

Maybe its a little pathetic, a little sad, i'm aware of this. To feel this way over a game is a staggering testament to Bioware's ability to weave a tale and to make the players emotionally invested in the characters.

I fought with Shepard. I bled with Shepard. I loved with Shepard.

Then in 5 minutes, everything was torn away. Before the end i had plans of starting all over at ME1, playing through all 3 just so i could get every possible choice the way i wanted it. To have an ending to an epic tale the way i wanted it. But none of that even matters, a game, neigh a company that blazed a new path with their dramatic choice system in the end took that away from us. Now i wish i had never even heard of Mass Effect, it would spare me going through this crap.

There are a lot of people who do not want a fairy tale ending. Well you know what? I DO. If i want bleak and depressing i'll look at our own world, this cespool of a city i live in. This game has been all about choice, and i want to see shepard ride off into the sunset with Liara. I want to she her sitting down with Garrus talking war stories. I want to see her and whats left of her crew standing in front of a memorial for all those lost in the fight against the reapers, yes it will be a sad moment, but a hopeful one as well.

Why do i want all this?

Because its MY choice. A choice Bioware said i would have and would be able to make.

I say this with 120% certainty, if Bioware does not right this greivous wrong, i will never again purchase a Bioware product, not a game, a DLC, a damn pencil...nothing. I will cancel my ToR account, all my ME products will be going in the trash, because anything of theirs will forever remind of the day they broke my heart.

Fix this Bioware. I would happily pay for a DLC that lets me have closure on my friends, and see's my shepard back into Liara's arms. The fans have on the whole have spoken, will you not hear our cries?

Fix this...

Modifié par Foulpancake, 09 mars 2012 - 02:43 .

[Golferguy758]

Foulpancake wrote...

words

I know how you are feeling. I won't lie and say my situation is anywhere similar to yours in just how rough it is, but I do understand on a certain level how you reacted to the game. Since I beat the game yesterday I've just been kinda going through the motions. 

Been looking at a half eaten sandwich for an hour now, not really wanting to finish it. At work my coworkers and friends could even tell something was  up.

I really do hope that there are more endings coming. This game, this series, was too good to go out on a fizzle the way it currenly is.

[Zeroscape]

The ending was extremely bitter, especially considering the vast scope of its fallout. But it's not the content or tone of the ending I have an issue with, it's the lack of answers and a solid epilogue.

The journey we prepared for ended the moment Shepard and Anderson sit down after their run in with TIM on the Citadel. It was a wonderful image and in that brief moment you could see the great burdon fall from the shoulders of both men for the first time. I really liked that Shepard was struggling emotionally through ME3 and that scene felt like a catharsis.

And then we got the twist ending.

I feel was that the whole conversation with the Catalyst seemed extremely out of place. The emotional investment for the player was predominantly with the crew of the Normandy and their own struggles. Mordin and Wrex's emotions about the Genophage is what made that issue special for me. I cared because the people I cared about were suffering due to it.

In many ways I think such a sudden twist could've been fantastic to throw the player off and really make the ultimate sacrifice for something grand. To see the bigger picture and truly realize what was at stake considering the epic nature of the cycle. Yet it felt way too brief and as such failed to add anything other than a giant question mark floating above my head. 

Ultimately, I expected a conversation with Harbinger to really pull that scene together and to bring it back in context to what we've already encountered in the story up until that point. A talk with the leader of the Reapers would have reinforced the nature of the threat and give our choice more meaning.

I'd have loved to been able to select a conversation option before making the ultimate sacrifice where I could choose a reason for fighting so long and hard. Paragon minded characters might choose the Normandy Crew or LI while renegades might just say they want to complete their final mission at any cost. A final flash of images to reflect your choice, perhaps some final words over a radio/to self and that would've given me all the closure I needed. It would make leaving your LI behind a bittersweet note as well.

While all of that is my own perception of the ending and not necessarily what everyone else would want, the point is that the ending needed more meat when the game went beyond Shep and Anderson sitting down together. However, we currently have no idea how our choices will affect the galaxy. Considering the enormous change we've brought through our playthrough(s) and final sacrifice, Bioware should have taken the time to reward the player with a recap similar to Fallout 3 to put our minds at ease.

I'm not the only one that had wished for a wide spectrum of endings to satisfy everyone but I would've been fine with what we have if Bioware had taken the time to give us a properly set up and explained "bitter ending". Finally, I would pay to see them redo the ending properly as part of some content DLC and feel like it needs to be done. The ending to this trilogy is an incredibly powerful moment that, currently, goes underutilized.

TL;DR:  ME trilogy deserved and required a strong conclusion to give us closure.

[Faraborne]

Foulpancake wrote...

Valadras21 wrote...

Just beat the game and the only thing I feel is rage and disgust.

I wish I'd never played this series, that's how FOS the ending is. I wish I'd never gotten so invested in the characters and the story. What a pathetic waste.

I love these games. I don't live a glamorous life. I'm stuck in a tough situation, small family, barely any friends. Because of that, Shepard and the people on his squad have a dear place in my heart. Shepard feels like an extension of me. I think back on all the great fights, my squad (who feel just as much like friends to me, as the do to my Shep), and the love shared between my Shepard and Tali. I felt alive when I got to experience those things. Shepard's emotions were my emotions, and vice-versa.

Now I just feel like my heart turned to stone, I feel physically numb, and I don't want to care about anything right now.

Do you know what i did this morning? I overslept for work because i stayed up until 3:30am because the final confrontation was so epic i just had to finish it.

On the way to work i turned off my radio, i wasn't in the mood. At work i was short with customers. I bought a 4 taco meal at taco bell and could only eat 2 because my appetite was just gone. It took my almost 2 hours to close the store because my heart just was not in it.

I'll tell you why, because Bioware has ripped out my heart and left me bleeding on the floor, and just make it hurt even more, they cleaned my blood off their hands with the $80 i spent on my CE of ME3.

I have never felt this level of betrayal

Much like the poster i quoted, i do not enjoy my life terribly much. I hate my job, hate my house, my love life is non existant, even my pet rats don't really seem to like me. Games have always been a good outlet for me to escape, and until approx 16hrs ago, this series was my holy grail. I loved the ME universe, and i have always told my friends that Bioware games are the only games that i will buy collectors editions because i want to support the company, the team, and see they continue making games like they have always done.

Then came 16hrs ago

For 5 years i have enjoyed this series, i have replayed ME1 and ME2 over and over until i could run through missions with my eyes closed. Somewhere along the way a funny thing happened, while my Shepard fell in love with Liara T'soni, i think somewhere a little piece of me did too. An avid "evil" choices player i found my self choosing good because i did not want to disappoint her, she shaped the Shepard i played time and again. Even when she turned the cold shoulder in ME2 for a while, i still thought "what would Liara think of me if she knew i did this". That's the kind power this series had possessed

The story and the rekindled romance in ME3 warmed my heart, every step towards being together again i got happier and happier, then love was declared and shown. Her gift before the final battle was amazingly touching. Then the Reapers beam hit. I stood over her unmoving body for maybe 10 minutes, waiting for her to get up and accompany me into the teleport device, but she never did. I proceeding thinking to myself "when i win, she'll show up on the normandy to grab me off an exploding citadel and its ride off into the sunset time"

I finally make it to the fateful "choice" and 10 minutes later i'm still staring at the screen in horrid disbelief...

I figure i'll sleep it off and just say "whatever", but it doesn't happen. I feel so empty inside right now, i loved the universe, my ship, my crew, my friends. I loved the memories i had with them, the hard fought battles, the truimphs and the losses all felt profoundly. Like the Valadras said, i felt alive, i felt happy while enjoying these adventures with my friends and crew, and with a surprisingly fulfilling romance.

Now i just feel dead inside

Maybe its a little pathetic, a little sad, i'm aware of this. To feel this way over a game is a staggering testament to Bioware's ability to weave a tale and to make the players emotionally invested in the characters.

I fought with Shepard. I bled with Shepard. I loved with Shepard.

Then in 5 minutes, everything was torn away. Before the end i had plans of starting all over at ME1, playing through all 3 just so i could get every possible choice the way i wanted it. To have an ending to an epic tale the way i wanted it. But none of that even matters, a game, neigh a company that blazed a new path with their dramatic choice system in the end took that away from us. Now i wish i had never even heard of Mass Effect, it would spare me going through this crap.

There are a lot of people who do not want a fairy tale ending. Well you know what? I DO. If i want bleak and depressing i'll look at our own world, this cespool of a city i live in. This game has been all about choice, and i want to see shepard ride off into the sunset with Liara. I want to she her sitting down with Garrus talking war stories. I want to see her and whats left of her crew standing in front of a memorial for all those lost in the fight against the reapers, yes it will be a sad moment, but a hopeful one as well.

Why do i want all this?

Because its MY choice. A choice Bioware said i would have and would be able to make.

I say this with 120% certainty, if Bioware does not right this greivous wrong, i will never again purchase a Bioware product, not a game, a DLC, a damn pencil...nothing. I will cancel my ToR account, all my ME products will be going in the trash, because anything of theirs will forever remind of the day they broke my heart.

Fix this Bioware. I would happily pay for a DLC that lets me have closure on my friends, and see's my shepard back into Liara's arms. The fans have on the whole have spoken, will you not hear our cries?

Fix this...

At least you are not alone...

Maybe Bioware wanted all of us to feel defeated by the Reapers

[ExileArin]

I just ... don't understand.

I bought my 360 for the first ME. Hundreds of hours into playthroughs of both it and ME2, making sure each Shepard was making different choices, shaping their personalities. I took time off work for ME3. Got it at midnight, played for 33 hours straight. I was adoring the game, even the rough parts. I cried when Mordin died. I cried harder when Thane died. My tears for Grunt turned into a cry of happiness as he emerged, bloody and beaten, but not broken. I sobbed as Tali told Legion that he had a soul, as he made his sacrifice for his people. I knew there were going to be sacrifices, understood that no ending was going to be everyone from both games riding off into the sunset. I was prepared to say my goodbye to my Shepard.

But this?

I just sat there, staring at the screen as the credits rolled, mouth hanging open. But - I did everything! I made sure I did all the sidequests, my reputation bar was full, I recruited everyone I possibly could. How did I get the bad ending!? So I loaded it up and played again, choosing a "different" ending ... to see it wasn't different at all. In desperation, loaded it up again and picked the last (seemingly most evil) option and got a one second snippet of what might be my Shepard gasping for a breath.

I went to bed, thinking I must just be too tired, I wasn't getting it, something was wrong. And by the time I woke up, I was LIVID. I've spent all day going back and forth through the first four stages of grief. It's fine if you want to put those endings in there. It's fine if you want to declare one of them canon. But to make every single thing any of us has ever done in these games not matter is such a slap in the face . . . I still can't comprehend it. I'll buy DLC, I'll pay for a full expansion pack. I don't even care how ridiculous it is to pay for something that should have always been in there. It can't end like that. It just can't.

You broke my heart, Bioware. Fix it.

[Moblet]

Foulpancake wrote...

Valadras21 wrote...

Just beat the game and the only thing I feel is rage and disgust.

I wish I'd never played this series, that's how FOS the ending is. I wish I'd never gotten so invested in the characters and the story. What a pathetic waste.

I love these games. I don't live a glamorous life. I'm stuck in a tough situation, small family, barely any friends. Because of that, Shepard and the people on his squad have a dear place in my heart. Shepard feels like an extension of me. I think back on all the great fights, my squad (who feel just as much like friends to me, as the do to my Shep), and the love shared between my Shepard and Tali. I felt alive when I got to experience those things. Shepard's emotions were my emotions, and vice-versa.

Now I just feel like my heart turned to stone, I feel physically numb, and I don't want to care about anything right now.

Do you know what i did this morning? I overslept for work because i stayed up until 3:30am because the final confrontation was so epic i just had to finish it.

On the way to work i turned off my radio, i wasn't in the mood. At work i was short with customers. I bought a 4 taco meal at taco bell and could only eat 2 because my appetite was just gone. It took my almost 2 hours to close the store because my heart just was not in it.

I'll tell you why, because Bioware has ripped out my heart and left me bleeding on the floor, and just make it hurt even more, they cleaned my blood off their hands with the $80 i spent on my CE of ME3.

I have never felt this level of betrayal

Much like the poster i quoted, i do not enjoy my life terribly much. I hate my job, hate my house, my love life is non existant, even my pet rats don't really seem to like me. Games have always been a good outlet for me to escape, and until approx 16hrs ago, this series was my holy grail. I loved the ME universe, and i have always told my friends that Bioware games are the only games that i will buy collectors editions because i want to support the company, the team, and see they continue making games like they have always done.

Then came 16hrs ago

For 5 years i have enjoyed this series, i have replayed ME1 and ME2 over and over until i could run through missions with my eyes closed. Somewhere along the way a funny thing happened, while my Shepard fell in love with Liara T'soni, i think somewhere a little piece of me did too. An avid "evil" choices player i found my self choosing good because i did not want to disappoint her, she shaped the Shepard i played time and again. Even when she turned the cold shoulder in ME2 for a while, i still thought "what would Liara think of me if she knew i did this". That's the kind power this series had possessed

The story and the rekindled romance in ME3 warmed my heart, every step towards being together again i got happier and happier, then love was declared and shown. Her gift before the final battle was amazingly touching. Then the Reapers beam hit. I stood over her unmoving body for maybe 10 minutes, waiting for her to get up and accompany me into the teleport device, but she never did. I proceeding thinking to myself "when i win, she'll show up on the normandy to grab me off an exploding citadel and its ride off into the sunset time"

I finally make it to the fateful "choice" and 10 minutes later i'm still staring at the screen in horrid disbelief...

I figure i'll sleep it off and just say "whatever", but it doesn't happen. I feel so empty inside right now, i loved the universe, my ship, my crew, my friends. I loved the memories i had with them, the hard fought battles, the truimphs and the losses all felt profoundly. Like the Valadras said, i felt alive, i felt happy while enjoying these adventures with my friends and crew, and with a surprisingly fulfilling romance.

Now i just feel dead inside

Maybe its a little pathetic, a little sad, i'm aware of this. To feel this way over a game is a staggering testament to Bioware's ability to weave a tale and to make the players emotionally invested in the characters.

I fought with Shepard. I bled with Shepard. I loved with Shepard.

Then in 5 minutes, everything was torn away. Before the end i had plans of starting all over at ME1, playing through all 3 just so i could get every possible choice the way i wanted it. To have an ending to an epic tale the way i wanted it. But none of that even matters, a game, neigh a company that blazed a new path with their dramatic choice system in the end took that away from us. Now i wish i had never even heard of Mass Effect, it would spare me going through this crap.

There are a lot of people who do not want a fairy tale ending. Well you know what? I DO. If i want bleak and depressing i'll look at our own world, this cespool of a city i live in. This game has been all about choice, and i want to see shepard ride off into the sunset with Liara. I want to she her sitting down with Garrus talking war stories. I want to see her and whats left of her crew standing in front of a memorial for all those lost in the fight against the reapers, yes it will be a sad moment, but a hopeful one as well.

Why do i want all this?

Because its MY choice. A choice Bioware said i would have and would be able to make.

I say this with 120% certainty, if Bioware does not right this greivous wrong, i will never again purchase a Bioware product, not a game, a DLC, a damn pencil...nothing. I will cancel my ToR account, all my ME products will be going in the trash, because anything of theirs will forever remind of the day they broke my heart.

Fix this Bioware. I would happily pay for a DLC that lets me have closure on my friends, and see's my shepard back into Liara's arms. The fans have on the whole have spoken, will you not hear our cries?

Fix this...

I can't believe a video game has me quoting something this dramatic in agreement.

Fix it Bioware.

[Tony208]

All we want is an ending like where Shepard and Anderson are looking on as the device destroys the reapers and an epilogue with people and aliens on various planets rejoicing. Shepard gets to ride off into the sunset with little blue/human children and everyone else is working together to rebuild.

The endings we're given right now makes me nauseous.

[Devin the Wanderer]

This basically sums up the ending to my favourite game series...



And while I'm on the subject of endings, what the hell was with that Merging ending?!

"Add your energy to the crucible!"

Oh, I'm sorry, was THE ****ING REAPER HEART POWERING IT NOT ENOUGH?! ALONG WITH THE GODDAMNED CITADEL! Hell, this deserves another video

Modifié par Devin the Wanderer, 09 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[aimichan]

Faraborne wrote...

Maybe Bioware wanted all of us to feel defeated by the Reapers

Lol! That's probably what they were going for. Now it's their turn to feel defeated by the Reapers. No more Bioware for me, unless ME is fixed.

[Game_Fan_85]

I've been thinking about the ending over and over since finishing it and after getting over the tears and sadness I am now quite angry. I expected Shepard to die, I would be fine with that if it had some MEANING. I expected some sacrifice at the end, I wanted the cliche, him with his 2 squad mates pushing them to safety as he died, thus saving the universe. Kind of like the opening to ME2. I at least also wanted some kind of epilogue like Dragon Age:Origins had.

I want to know what happened to each of those friends I've made over the past 4 years, I want to know what became of Wrex, Grunt and the Krogan post genophage, what happened to Kaidan after his love John Shepard died, and Garrus, what did Garrus do to honour his dear friend and comrade? No, this just sucks. I am going to start a new game today so I can play through Steve Cortez's story but damn, the poor guy's been through enough already losing one person, do I want to do THAT to him? IF he even survived, which I will never know!

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 09 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[Aratarien]

I've been doing a lot of thinking since I beat the game last night and I really think there is a way to completely salvage the end of the game without a massive rewrite of the final sequences.

Basically, just lop of the Catalyst/AI god crap at the very end. Instead simply end the Shepard story right before with Shep and Anderson on the Citadel. They have their chat, Anderson dies. Simply rerecord Hackett's dialogue to something like 'Crucible power at 95%'. Shep falls forward, all bloody and dying, just as now. Cut out the console part and go right to the completely down, looking dead part. Give a new, final shot (in first person) of Shep looking up at Earth (avoiding rendering any new animations for Shep). Then have the shot fade out as if Shep's eyes are closing and leave it there with Shep's death.
Have a brief montage scene of the fleet fighting the Reapers, troops on the ground fighting, etc, and the Citadel opening and a final Hackett dialogue of 'Crucible at 100%'
Big explosion happens, Reapers go boom, everyone cheers. Can be taken right from one of the current end videos.
Create a new epilogue, with a simple voice over from Shep. Something like 'In the year 2187 (or whatever year it is exactly) the races of the galaxy united and defeated the Reapers.. . yadda, yadda. Have a final scene (can even be done with in game engine) and have a memorial that was built for Shep and all the others that lost their lives. As a final touch, have Shep's LI there and they place a flower or whatever at the memorial. If it is Ash or Liara, maybe even go so far as to show they are pregnant with Shep's child, so that we can know that it's possible for Shep's legacy to live on somehow. For other LI's, maybe show them with a child of some sort (adopted, their own) and perhaps something that mentions they named it for Shep.
Afterwards, just a simple epilogue, ala DA:O style that just gives info on what happens to everyone and all the races.

Honestly, I see this as very simple make. Hell, a good modder could probably do it. It would preserve the 'end of Shep's story' idea and give closure for Shep and all the crew. The Reapers are gone, the galaxy most rebuild, but hope endures and life will go on. I'd be happy with this and I think many other would be as well.