Game_Fan_85 wrote...
I am going to start a new game today so I can play through Steve Cortez's story but damn, the poor guy's been through enough already losing one person, do I want to do THAT to him? IF he even survived, which I will never know!
Almostfaceman wrote...
Faraborne wrote...
I received this from a friend who just beat ME3. This was his solution to the ending problem:
Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.
Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.
Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.
The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.
If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you.
Me: I personally think this solution would be profound. Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game. If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book). Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.
Yes. I agree, as I pointed out in my post, Shepard spends the entire story fighting for self-determination of humanity, if not all sapient beings. This would be entirely in-character.
If you're brave enough to tick us all off with this ending Bioware, maybe you're brave enough to own up to this mistake of an ending and make right. Who knows.
Storenumber9 wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
Faraborne wrote...
I received this from a friend who just beat ME3. This was his solution to the ending problem:
Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.
Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.
Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.
The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.
If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you.
Me: I personally think this solution would be profound. Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game. If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book). Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.
Yes. I agree, as I pointed out in my post, Shepard spends the entire story fighting for self-determination of humanity, if not all sapient beings. This would be entirely in-character.
If you're brave enough to tick us all off with this ending Bioware, maybe you're brave enough to own up to this mistake of an ending and make right. Who knows.
This is the most amazing way to end the series right here.
I couldn't find the original post, but Goddamn, this guy/girl is onto something.
Aratarien wrote...
I've been doing a lot of thinking since I beat the game last night and I really think there is a way to completely salvage the end of the game without a massive rewrite of the final sequences.
Basically, just lop of the Catalyst/AI god crap at the very end. Instead simply end the Shepard story right before with Shep and Anderson on the Citadel. They have their chat, Anderson dies. Simply rerecord Hackett's dialogue to something like 'Crucible power at 95%'. Shep falls forward, all bloody and dying, just as now. Cut out the console part and go right to the completely down, looking dead part. Give a new, final shot (in first person) of Shep looking up at Earth (avoiding rendering any new animations for Shep). Then have the shot fade out as if Shep's eyes are closing and leave it there with Shep's death.
Have a brief montage scene of the fleet fighting the Reapers, troops on the ground fighting, etc, and the Citadel opening and a final Hackett dialogue of 'Crucible at 100%'
Big explosion happens, Reapers go boom, everyone cheers. Can be taken right from one of the current end videos.
Create a new epilogue, with a simple voice over from Shep. Something like 'In the year 2187 (or whatever year it is exactly) the races of the galaxy united and defeated the Reapers.. . yadda, yadda. Have a final scene (can even be done with in game engine) and have a memorial that was built for Shep and all the others that lost their lives. As a final touch, have Shep's LI there and they place a flower or whatever at the memorial. If it is Ash or Liara, maybe even go so far as to show they are pregnant with Shep's child, so that we can know that it's possible for Shep's legacy to live on somehow. For other LI's, maybe show them with a child of some sort (adopted, their own) and perhaps something that mentions they named it for Shep.
Afterwards, just a simple epilogue, ala DA:O style that just gives info on what happens to everyone and all the races.
Honestly, I see this as very simple make. Hell, a good modder could probably do it. It would preserve the 'end of Shep's story' idea and give closure for Shep and all the crew. The Reapers are gone, the galaxy most rebuild, but hope endures and life will go on. I'd be happy with this and I think many other would be as well.
Faraborne wrote...
Storenumber9 wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
Faraborne wrote...
I received this from a friend who just beat ME3. This was his solution to the ending problem:
Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.
Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.
Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.
The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.
If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you.
Me: I personally think this solution would be profound. Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game. If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book). Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.
Yes. I agree, as I pointed out in my post, Shepard spends the entire story fighting for self-determination of humanity, if not all sapient beings. This would be entirely in-character.
If you're brave enough to tick us all off with this ending Bioware, maybe you're brave enough to own up to this mistake of an ending and make right. Who knows.
This is the most amazing way to end the series right here.
I couldn't find the original post, but Goddamn, this guy/girl is onto something.
There is a poll up now related to this idea:
http://social.biowar...72/polls/29101/
Please give your two cents
Zeroscape wrote...
Faraborne wrote...
Storenumber9 wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
Faraborne wrote...
I received this from a friend who just beat ME3. This was his solution to the ending problem:
Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.
Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.
Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.
The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.
If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you.
Me: I personally think this solution would be profound. Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game. If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book). Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.
Yes. I agree, as I pointed out in my post, Shepard spends the entire story fighting for self-determination of humanity, if not all sapient beings. This would be entirely in-character.
If you're brave enough to tick us all off with this ending Bioware, maybe you're brave enough to own up to this mistake of an ending and make right. Who knows.
This is the most amazing way to end the series right here.
I couldn't find the original post, but Goddamn, this guy/girl is onto something.
There is a poll up now related to this idea:
http://social.biowar...72/polls/29101/
Please give your two cents
Done, thank you for the link Faraborne. I think this is a great idea. Even if Bioware doesn't take this idea directly, something along these lines to allow us a new ending would do wonders. Like I said in the poll's comment, a DLC with this ending + some more war related mission would be a fantastic package and tie in extremely well.
Legionaire-Shen wrote...
Zeroscape wrote...
Done, thank you for the link Faraborne. I think this is a great idea. Even if Bioware doesn't take this idea directly, something along these lines to allow us a new ending would do wonders. Like I said in the poll's comment, a DLC with this ending + some more war related mission would be a fantastic package and tie in extremely well.
bioware would make a lot money this way, because to get more war asset, we need to buy dlc mission, hell they could even release some n7 mission pack (serve as mp map pack too!), so people can still get the best ending by playing sp alone
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Oh thank the heavens. And by heavens I mean the ME3 development team.xnoxiousx wrote...
GambleMike said: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.
Modifié par Tony208, 09 mars 2012 - 04:52 .
Michael Gramble (Mass Effect 3 Producer)
"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."
Modifié par Paparob, 09 mars 2012 - 04:56 .
Paparob wrote...
http://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike]Via twitter:[/url]
"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."
Our last, best hope...for an ending most of the fanbase can be content with.
Modifié par IanPolaris, 09 mars 2012 - 04:58 .
Faraborne wrote...
Legionaire-Shen wrote...
Zeroscape wrote...
Done, thank you for the link Faraborne. I think this is a great idea. Even if Bioware doesn't take this idea directly, something along these lines to allow us a new ending would do wonders. Like I said in the poll's comment, a DLC with this ending + some more war related mission would be a fantastic package and tie in extremely well.
bioware would make a lot money this way, because to get more war asset, we need to buy dlc mission, hell they could even release some n7 mission pack (serve as mp map pack too!), so people can still get the best ending by playing sp alone
Those are excellent ideas! I would forgive all if Bioware released something like that. The fixed ending with more SP N7 content and more MP maps. It would restore ME3 to the greatest game of all time (where I was before the ending).
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