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For the most part, yes. There's "hints" at a secret ending if you play again, but ultimately it seems the endings were written by someone else, instead of the men and women who actually worked on the game itself.

It's such a... disconnection from the story. None of it makes sense.


That's just a big WOW if its being out sourced to someone to write the endings. Its like the Boss issue with Deus EX HR except more serious and damaging. If theirs and and proof of this I would definitely love to know.

This looks very grim when I think about it. Deception and Karpyshyn leaving.

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KRAETZNER wrote...

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I think we need to get everyone we can to twitter bomb their official ME3 twitter page.


Before we do that we got to cure what we should call the "Cry phase" for all the super hard-core fans.  This might require writing tons of fan fiction involving an ending change to stop them from, what they describe, as crying in their sleep/suffering from extreme depression.  Unfortunately, this will cause the sacrifice of one of our brightest minds.

But it gets worse.  We have to unite and age-old rivalry a century in the making.  Emotionless robots, created from the threads of fans who are dissapointed and expressing their distaste, have created multiple threads acting like the ending is actually good and everyone who doens't think so is stupid.  This war is causing them to focus on themselves instead of the larger threat; the moderators.  Every 50,000 seconds, the moderators clear several old threads off the forums.

Our forces are holding on to continuing "we need a new ending" threads as much as possible, but unless we unite the fourms, our threads will eventually get buried in time and nothing will happen.  The cycle will just continue again with a different game trilogy.


Fortunantly Bioware has three excellent choices. They have the "ignore" option, which will destroy all the fans, but save themselves. Then theres the "Dlc" option in which they control the fans through money. Finally they have the "patch" option, in which they sacrifice themselves to fix the game for free.

I loled there. The problem is... I think we all know what option they will pick. Actually, I see them picking option 1 then 2.

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Olueq wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

fluffyburrito wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I think we need to get everyone we can to twitter bomb their official ME3 twitter page.


Before we do that we got to cure what we should call the "Cry phase" for all the super hard-core fans.  This might require writing tons of fan fiction involving an ending change to stop them from, what they describe, as crying in their sleep/suffering from extreme depression.  Unfortunately, this will cause the sacrifice of one of our brightest minds.

But it gets worse.  We have to unite and age-old rivalry a century in the making.  Emotionless robots, created from the threads of fans who are dissapointed and expressing their distaste, have created multiple threads acting like the ending is actually good and everyone who doens't think so is stupid.  This war is causing them to focus on themselves instead of the larger threat; the moderators.  Every 50,000 seconds, the moderators clear several old threads off the forums.

Our forces are holding on to continuing "we need a new ending" threads as much as possible, but unless we unite the fourms, our threads will eventually get buried in time and nothing will happen.  The cycle will just continue again with a different game trilogy.


Fortunantly Bioware has three excellent choices. They have the "ignore" option, which will destroy all the fans, but save themselves. Then theres the "Dlc" option in which they control the fans through money. Finally they have the "patch" option, in which they sacrifice themselves to fix the game for free.

I loled there. The problem is... I think we all know what option they will pick. Actually, I see them picking option 1 then 2.


It's not really BioWare's choice. BioWare has been indoctrinated by EA.

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You cannot force the fan base of a 1-player game to play multiplayer in order to enjoy their desired ME3 ending, bioware.
For years I have tried to stick with bioware, if just to experience the climax of the mass effect series.
I followed the paragon path since ME1 and have completed every side-quest and DLC for ME1 and 2.

For years I have poured cash into properties like neverwinter nights, dragon age and mass effect. In return I have recieved nothing but multiple, successive disappointments.
The multiplayer/cash requirement of ME3 in order to experience the best possible ending is lunacy.
EA has turned bioware to the darkside and I am out.
No more bioware products for me = no more gaming disappointments.
Bleh.

Modifié par Big Yeti Cane, 10 mars 2012 - 08:20 .


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Sireniankyle1 wrote...

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lol ...priceless

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Hello Man wrote...

Darkieus wrote...

@Hello Man

For the most part, yes. There's "hints" at a secret ending if you play again, but ultimately it seems the endings were written by someone else, instead of the men and women who actually worked on the game itself.

It's such a... disconnection from the story. None of it makes sense.


That's just a big WOW if its being out sourced to someone to write the endings. Its like the Boss issue with Deus EX HR except more serious and damaging. If theirs and and proof of this I would definitely love to know.

This looks very grim when I think about it. Deception and Karpyshyn leaving.


http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

Here's your proof.

Only two of the original ME writers were onboard for ME3; after the leak in the endings, they were changed dramatically (effectively rendering the whole 'dark matter' thing they went on about in ME2 moot) and as you can see, don't fit with the story. At all.

Modifié par Darkieus, 10 mars 2012 - 09:54 .


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Did they shut down the megathread

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FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Did they shut down the megathread


Nope, moved it to the other spoiler board.

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I feel so drained...

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Darkieus wrote...
http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

Here's your proof.

Only two of the original ME writers were onboard for ME3; after the leak in the endings, they were changed dramatically (effectively rendering the whole 'dark matter' thing they went on about in ME2 moot) and as you can see, don't fit with the story. At all.


Ok, now that's rediculous... I mean, how many people even saw the original stories leak? I sure as hell didn't, and even if, I wouldn't have cared!

The way this sounds, you had atleast one of the two endings have survive the crew and the galaxy as a whole... and it would have made infinitly more sense to trust the races of the universe to solve the problem by them selves... after everything you have acomplished in uniting them.

So, a stupid leak betrayed us and cost us a decent ending then... nice... you gotta love the internet.

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WTH BioWare?
Where are this EPIC endings that you promised?

You said more than once, that you have a lot of freedom with endings because this is end of the series - but now everyone see, that you hadn't used it!
It's just not fair that no matter what player do, the difference between endings is only... colour of ray, and shock wave...
It's simply not fair in relation to players...

PS: Don't dare to give it as a payable DLC...

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Who Ever leaked the original endings needs to be strangled imo

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I really can't see the need to change the ending from what it was before.

The previous ending sure had some faults, but at least it would have been foreshadowed and made a little bit of sense.

The Guardian serves absolutely no other purpose but to give you three intensely crappy endings to choose from. The story would have been just fine without him.

Had it really been so horrible if the Crucible had been calibrated according to your war assets and if the player had enough, the mass relays wouldn't be destroyed, but the Reapers would, with no such collateral damage? They shouldn't have added more choices just for the sake of having more choices. The new material needed a stronger purpose than that.

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The ending didn't have all that wow effect .... like a lot of the other scenes such as curing the geonphage or stopping the geth war

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Trojan_33 wrote...

I've been mulling over the ending (i guess technically 3 endings but it is hard to say that when they are almost the same visually) and I found a few additional holes in the entire premise of the ending which leads me to believe that they brought someone new in who had no idea about the ME universe.

1) In ME1, Sovereign was there specifically to activate the Citadel to bring in the Reapers. Also, the Protheans modified the Citadel to not automatically open the gate when signaled. Now, IF the controller of the reapers was the station itself, why didn't it change the code back and initiate the signal itself? Why would you need a Reaper to hang around the Galaxy at all at that point? To me, this means the lil god AI made no sense at all. ME1 clearly pointed to the Citadel as having no intelligence and was just a tool, ie a big relay.

2) Reapers are sentient yet they are being controlled? I mean, back to point 1, if the Citadel itself had that kind of power to indoctrinate Reapers, then why not indoctrinate the whole station? Also, Sovereign clearly states that they were "nations unto themselves" (i think I got that right) which does not sound like they are under anyone's control.

Anyway, food for thought. To me it just stands out that they brought or was told to bring in someone who new nothing of the previous games/universe.


i dont think the reapers where indoctrinated it was more like they where intially AI's that did there harvesting then became more and more unique while still being partially controlled

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Aethyr wrote...

The ending didn't have all that wow effect .... like a lot of the other scenes such as curing the geonphage or stopping the geth war


Which ultimatly have been useless happenings, in all three endings...

Control: Shep controls the reapers and the thus the Geth... the war would have been over anyways. Krogan can reproduce, but are unable to leave their homeworld, so they revert back to a industrial civilisation... with serious population issues on the horizon.
Destroy: Mass relays and Geth are destroyed, so again the war is over. Krogan: Same as the above.
Synthesis: Dunno... everything is moot, I guess, because all races are half synthetic from that point on.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 10 mars 2012 - 02:13 .


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we should find out who leak "real" ending and give them lesson because they ruin everyones game :(

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Bioware ruined everyones game. Dont blame people who leak.

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You guys do know we know about the original endings from the leaked tlk file leaked by a (theoritically, now unemployed) careless Microsoft employee, right? :innocent:

Did they ever explain indoctrination? Or did I miss it? 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 10 mars 2012 - 03:30 .


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My experience so far with this situation. this is the best way to sum it all up to this point. right click and hit "view image".

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agree but i remember when i read articles that leaked stuff connected with ME3 was not true and everything there was old story before ME2 etc. now i think that biggest part in changing endings is connected with EA that bioware (i remember there were leaked parts connected with ending of ME2 and they didnt changed it)

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crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Anything, even the Reapers winning with Shepard dying with his/her crew at her side, would have better than what we got.

Any theories if this might have been a hurried rewrite? Wasn't there a script that was leaked? My apologies if this has already been discussed!


Yes, the original script was about the Reapers trying to prevent the spread of dark energy. Shepard would have had to a) sacrifice humanity B) kill Reapers and hope all the races could figure out how to fix the problem.

EDIT: Here is the link http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/somethingawful-the-plot-of-me3-changed-dramatically-big-big-spoilers.250066288/

Modifié par njfluffy19, 10 mars 2012 - 04:41 .


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www.change.org/petitions/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc-we-want-a-dlc-that-changes-the-last-minutes-of-the-game

passing it along

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njfluffy19 wrote...

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Anything, even the Reapers winning with Shepard dying with his/her crew at her side, would have better than what we got.

Any theories if this might have been a hurried rewrite? Wasn't there a script that was leaked? My apologies if this has already been discussed!


Yes, the original script was about the Reapers trying to prevent the spread of dark energy. Shepard would have had to a) sacrifice humanity B) kill Reapers and hope all the races could figure out how to fix the problem.

EDIT: Here is the link http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/somethingawful-the-plot-of-me3-changed-dramatically-big-big-spoilers.250066288/


I actually like the current plot better. The whole technological singularity theme fits the Mass Effect universe.

Mass Effect was always about man v.s machine, organics v.s synthetics.

Mass Effect also went deep into what the meaning of synthetic life is, whether synthetics are just tools or something more, whether we organics are really worth more than synthetics.

Mass Effect also adressed other philosophic subjects such as determinism v.s free-will.


The Reaper plot in ME3 fitted nicely in all those themes, issues and philosophies of the Mass Effect universe. Sure, the endings felt rushed and were a bit sucky, but overall I'd say ME3 has a good plot.